turboplanner

I too am one of the older members..I had booked a flight with Emirates to Edinburgh and back to Brisbane.on the 21st May.. To return here in 6weeks.. That's if I decide to stay here after my split up.. I booked through flight Centre.

I have a credit note but it must be used by November or I lose it.. So I must rebook before then.. The problem is.. What if it's no better by say October.. I wish I had s crystal ball.. Stay safe.. I

Keep all your documentation. Australia needs aircraft in the air and the airlines need a constant stream of income. There were some announcements about what might happen a couple of weeks ago, but it was more important to get the airlines shut down and mothballed, and I imagine there will be some consideration on how to get the system moving and the airlines solvent again in few months. Scott Morrison said again today they are planning for at least six months of pandemic itself. A lot of airline staff that were stood down a few days ago have been re-employed in blocks in other industries. I can't see Companies still in business being hibernated, but others who have already liquidated missing out. Keep bookmarking the government links which are being updated regularly.

My mistake...meant Brendan Murphy.

So...on another, very important front I ask when does this 'do nothing' govt act on evictions? Maslow's hierarchy of essential needs lists shelter next to food as MOST important. Landlords have been well looked after by govt on taxation and legislative protections. They must understand and authorities have a serious responsibility to make sure they do, that with the rights and benefits conferred upon them, they have the duty to protect their tenants. If an otherwise excellent tenant is unable to pay rent, for no direct reason that they can control, the landlord must continue to provide the basic need of a safe place to live. Families are vulnerable and deserve our best efforts to look after them.

BTW Brendan Murphy is the Chief Medical Officer, but he is getting consensus information from some brilliant minds on AHPPC, and in turn from the State and Territory Panels, so he wouldn't be getting away with much.

The National Cabinet has announced two financial relief packages to date and Treasury has been meeting for three days delivering a third. There is incredible complexity in coming up with something that's legal in 8 jurisdictions which all have their own Acts which must be complied with, and in some cases State or Territory legislation has to be changed, and then at the back end the package has to be seamlessly delivered to every Australian in every area. You must have missed the PM's announcement that the concept is to keep all Companies afloat, and address Landlord rents hibernating everything so it can get going at the end of the pandemic. These comments about postage stamp size industry segments are pointless when the big picture is being worked on to see no one is left out.

I hadn’t realised they were doing China virus checks at the state borders - where did they get the test kits from ?

You've had a pretty good run with the pidgin English and "China" virus. Everyone but you seems to be able to use its correct name.

As much as this started in China it's looking more and more innocent as facts come to hand, and China has rush life saving supplies to may countries since.

When industry gets going again Australia will need urgent stock from our biggest trading partner...China, and the last thing we need to do is irritate our resident Diplomatic staff.

Sorry you had to go through the added Morgue thing.

PS: Brendan Nelson has been a major promoter of the restrictions on codeine use in Aus.

You realise Brendan Nelson has just retired as head of the Australian War Memorial after several years great work; I've forgotten where he's going next, but don't think it relates to medicine.

You may be correct that the risk is not the virus. The media is non stop trying to scare us and they are succeeding. Normally sensible people are making stupid decisions, such as buying massive amounts of toilet paper, or hiding away.

We now know that wasn't the normal people until the end when people saw the empty shelves.

We know who was taking it, who organised it, the supermarkets across Australia that they hit, where some of the agents were storing it, photos or it going into containers, Border Force seizing containers and people, and toilet paper once again filling the shelves.

The media is guilty of putting all sorts or spin on what is happening, and if anything a bit slow to catch on to the toilet paper story all the way along.

........and it was. The DAS had written to the SAO demanding that RAA, get onto that XXXX(CappyRef), and tell him to stop referring to that book and the cross and sh!t, and promote the thousands of Bibles which CASA requires pilots to learn by heart (Strict Liability Ref).

"Anything less than forty thousand pages" yelled the DAS, "and they can memorise what to do and beat us!" ha continued after a lucky grab for his teeth. That wasn't the end of it. "Moses got 40,000 grasshoppers to beat the Israelites, so go and read what he did in the Bi........"

........ an economy.

Try not to think of "the economy." It doesn't exist any more.

The current Australian plan is to go into hybernation for six months or more, with complex financial plans for each State and Territory so everyone has a roof over their head, food, medical support from the Federal and State governments, and with employer companies in mothballs, and ready to start business, returning their employees to work at the end of the pandemic. When that's rolling they'll look at what money is left, and that's their starting budget plus what they can borrow.

The PM announced this morning that Treasury have been meeting for three days for a third package which fits into Federal and State laws.

Also, a few people had become confused with the National Cabinet thinking Labor should be involved; the PM announced two packages this morning, $74 million for Mental Health support, where people having difficulty coping, or being bashed etc can reach out for support, and around $266 million for a TeleHealth package.

When the press asked him if Parliament would have to sit to approve this, he sad no, the Labor Party had already approved it, so Labor supporters can be comfortable that while their leaders haven't been trying to flood the airwaves they have been right their doing their vital job to keep the activities acceptable to the Australian people, and the action which has been going on behind the scenes is staggering.

TeleHealth is a programme allowing remote access to Doctors, it has to fit in with things like transmission, technology, software, rules, clinical processes, the bulk billing system, GP equipment, and an endless stream of other things and was expected to take about ten years to delivered.

All the peak bodies associated with this, extending to all parts of Australia, as far as remote indigenous settlements, and within all State and Territory Jurisdictions, financing, and all those other things will be delivered tomorrow - ten days from the time they started. An absolutely stunning performance for which it looks like we'll be thanking hundreds of people who made that possible.

Bendigo flying club and 2 other training organisations have stopped instructing but planes are available for hire.!

Some pvte flying out of pvte hangars. Social distancing seems to be applied in those cases.

Seems crazy that we can't fly if we can still get a haircut from a barber who touch's people and is within 1.5 metres during a whole day. Far as I know buses and trains still going !! albeit lower numbers so flying is a lot safer 1 or 2 up in our little planes.

I received specific information from CASA two days ago, that they were not making decisions on who could fly and who had to stop; those decisions are now being made by The Deartment of Health and Social Services under their State of Emergency powers, and the same six or so Emergency Uses are still the same as they were when announced several days ago. Private and Recreational Flying is not an emergency use, and as an example the Moorabbin Training Area has been abour 98/99% deserted for most of this week, usually 1 aircraft up by mistake in a day.

Some people might be flying; there is an element ignoring the rules, either by mistake or deliberately and when the Task Force catches up with them they are closing down the venues, and new Legislation was introduced to allow Police to issue on the spot fines of around $1,000.0 for an individual and I think $4000.00 to $5,000.00 for a company. The legislation for more blatant offending requiring Court appearance is also still in place.

So those people will get the message eventually.

As or hairdressers being an essential service, that's for Mental Health reasons. Can you imagine the effect on people who have dyed their hair black or whatever for decades, and when lockdown comes, suddenly prove to be grey?

All of this information was available to you from the various key websites, along with the fact that road transport is an essential service, so buses and trains will be running.

I was at a G-20 briefing on the exclusion zone centred around Brisbane city. When "the Air Force" says "don't fly" (they haven't said that), please comply. Without (them) being specific, it was made clear they (Defence) had a method to deal with low performance aircraft.

If I had to guess, it would involve multiple intercepting aircraft with different capabilities and not all of them would be "Air Force".

I can only imagine how embarrassing getting carted off in a van covered in flashing lights would be in front of your friends and neighbors.

Yes, it gets scary.

In looking up the present status of airfields and private flying a couple of days ago I found CASA has already handed over to Department of Health under the State/Territory Jurisdiction, and that when the State of Emergency was declared, that automatically gave executive powers to health officials to order some actions overriding the normal government executive, and then if a State of Disaster is declared, you better be very nice to your Chief Medical Officer. I can see now why there has been some ever so slight discussions about the State of Emergency and reluctance to "pull the lever" to State of Disaster.

......Please!, I'm shocked at this display! Here, read these Bibles and learn what happens to the likes of you.

There are border communities where people live on one side and work and shop on the other. I am living in such a place right now, and I have been told that there is no problem going to Naracoorte as usual. The checkpoint is at Hynam, and there are many arguments to use to get through.

The main unknown is the intelligence of the chief honcho at the checkpoint at the time you arrived. Who wants to spend money on lawyers?

The rapid onset of the virus has produced some crazy results. At the Queensland border points people have posted video of cops sticking their heads into cars, and checkpoints have been located downstream from shipping outlets etc., similar to what happened with tens of thousands who flew back to Australia from overseas into the two weeks lockdown and wandered down to the cafes and shops, then when police were appointed to monitor them, gave incorrect addresses, or were not at home when police called. That led to the Victorian tightening we have now where you do your time locked down in a hotel, and this mornings video showed Police, Army, and Health officials at Melbourne Airport to usher the arrivals on to buses to the hotels.

Once I read that in parts of europe, it is acceptable for the death certificate of somebody over 70 to list " old age " as the cause of death.

One result of this is that they have fewer heart attack deaths, thus giving rise to the "mediterranean diet " idea.

Is this all true?

Could be; In Australia, Scotland, England, and US sometimes it can be and sometimes not. If you spend time checking ancestry you quickly find there are the family versions of Great grandfather's death and there are what's written on the Death Certificate.

You take too much too seriously Turbo, cut a bit of slack for some throw away lines ?

The foreign students are a worry at times, with unintelligible calls and questionable circuit procedure's. On the other hand they are learning a new complex career in a foreign country with a second language, must be very difficult so I try to cut them some slack. I do blame some of their instructors for bad habits. They always join "Midfield crosswind" no matter where they are in the the circuit or inbound.

Lighten up Turbo

Sorry that was sarcasm to someone doing his best to become a troll, so I caught myself twice.

I want those students, and I don't have any more problem with them than the "G'Days, can anyone tell me how to get to............"

Soar showed there is a way to link flying with education, but have come unstuck on legality, but a legal concept like that would be a very good start to boosting numbers of students, and when that happens it feeds availability of Commercial Pilots. There's a blockage there right now, but up the East Coast of Australia there is a Planning Trend for decentralisation, not so far out as Whitlam chose, eg Albury/Wodonga, but a band of around 100 km around the cities for food production, then satellite cities which will need small feeder flights suited to S/E aircraft.

Hmmm... me-thinks some have had the bone pointed at them so believe they is done for..?

Bullsh!t

No thanks, we have enuf of the pests here as it is!

Well there you go; no need to revive the industry, it's not wanted.

If you are between 75 - 85 your death rate each year is around 15% per year anyways. The more I look at the stats the more idiotic I see this lock down is.

Just at present and just in Australia the whole concept has changed with the first hospital cases with ages starting at 25. At the end of the epidemic, the average age may have moved up to the elderly but right now no one knows, the admissions are the admissions.

A better way to visualise the effect on 75 - 85s is there will be a pull-forward effect; all of us are going to die of something, but this virus will take many before their time.

The deaths will mainly be over 70's which could be self isolated and supported.

2019 was a particularly mild strain 2017 is a better figure to use. Also it depends on the way the deaths are reported if some one has comorbidity s what killed them? In the case's where covid-19 is involved it is blamed.

Look up what happened to Italy during the 2017 flu season makes for a very interesting comparison.

If we tracked the 2017 flu like we are tracking covid with the same kind of media beat up it would be just as easy to induced the same kind of panic.

The numbers are now fairly clear under 50's (0.2) fatality rate a bad flu season (0.1). We have never considered a national lock down for the flu and for good reason.

I can understand how some people will be grasping at straws.

50,000 deaths. That suggests more ppl will die from cancer. Mind you, if you were dying from cancer but catch COVID19, they will count you as a virus death rather than the cancer that was going to get you anyway.

That's a good visualisation. Australia's 2019 cancer deaths added up to 49,640, so if you visualise the cancer deaths among your friends and relative, Corona virus is predicted to be about the same.

Statistics record you dying of what caused you to die, so even if you have been given just six months to live and die in a car crash in seven months the cause of death is a car crash.

I ran some figures based on 80,000 deaths (which was based on the Deputy CHO 50,000 < 100,000 plus comments by the Victorian CMO this weekend, plus the fact that we are not on lockdown to produce this very approximate visualisation.

There are still huge variables: to come, so this is just based on the situation now.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I am starting to think shutting down the economy and locking everyone down is a really bad idea.

This thing is only slightly more deadly than the flu if you are under 50. The elderly and health compromised should be self isolated and assisted but shutting down the country for a virus that is around 0.2% fatal (under 50's) (the flu is around 0.1) is really dumb and going to cause far more damage. Watch what happens to the suicide rate rate, bankruptcy's the destruction of small business some of which are never coming back this has become a huge over reaction. I also think the longer this goes the greater chance of social instability which is a real risk here the longer and harder the government locks the population down the greater the chance of problems.

100 people died in Australia from flu in 2019

50,000 <150,000 for Australia is still the official estimate from the Deputy Chief Medical Officer of Australia.

There were still people out there flying for recreation today. Two in the Moorabbin Training Area (which is still an outstanding success, down from hundreds), and those boasting on Social Media.

 

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The review on prohibition of recreational activity is April 13 (I think I said April 19). That doesn't mean it starts again, just a review to see whether the Stay at Home order is to be lifted or nor

fuel prices are irrelevant, depreciation is the largest concern.

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There were still people out there flying for recreation today. Two in the Moorabbin Training Area (which is still an outstanding success, down from hundreds), and those boasting on Social Media.

Here's the problem... the more people fly, the higher the risk that one will crash. Now CASA are set up to maximise aviation safety which means minimizing flying.

The fact is that flying is much safer than being inactive carries no weight. CASA is not there to maximize safety for the population, only to minimize aviation

accidents.

The States also maximise road safety; hasn't stopped the Motor and Transport Industries expanding massively over the last four decades.

General Aviation peaked in the 1980s and has declined ever since to a quieter level today. Fuel cost is one of the driving factors, and we've had many discussions over the years about other factors. Soar Aviation on the one hand is probably not the business model to use, but some of its component parts would help to drive traffic up again.

It's a mysterious document to be left alone mostly!? A document that's potentially recriminating! Plenty are as clean as the day they where issued!?

That's quite a telling comment for the GA world.