Landing Fees

[jackc]

Pissing in each others Breakfast cereal serves no purpose,  except wasting screen real estate. 🤔

[facthunter]

How was my comment bad.?  Nev

[facthunter]

Brendan I've owned 3 aircraft a Citabria 7ECA a Fisher Horizon 2 and a Piper twin Commanche and can get a go in a Plane any time I wish but don't have the Money as I would want to pay

    . If I listed what I've flown it wouldn't fit  the Space provided and I shouldn't have to anyhow. It would look like i was big noting myself and I don't go for that and  detest SNOBS. I am NOT a non Pilot  EITHER and how that got there was not of my doing. I've not done anything about it. Because I didn't know some would try to make a BIG DEAL about it.  This section of the Forum is for ALL aircraft Pilots. That's fairly inclusive. No one should feel excluded OR afraid to ask a Question. here.  Laughing when one of my Posts is deleted is pretty Ordinary also.There's Plenty of Posts that have been deleted before Mine was. Mine was only in self defense.. Nev

[BrendAn]

14 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Brendan I've owned 3 aircraft a Citabria 7ECA a Fisher Horizon 2 and a Piper twin Commanche and can get a go in a Plane any time I wish but don't have the Money as I would want to pay

    . If I listed what I've flown it wouldn't fit  the Space provided and I shouldn't have to anyhow. It would look like i was big noting myself and I don't go for that and  detest SNOBS. I am NOT a non Pilot  EITHER and how that got there was not of my doing. I've not done anything about it. Because I didn't know some would try to make a BIG DEAL about it.  This section of the Forum is for ALL aircraft Pilots. That's fairly inclusive. No one should feel excluded OR afraid to ask a Question. here.  Laughing when one of my Posts is deleted is pretty Ordinary also.There's Plenty of Posts that have been deleted before Mine was. Mine was only in self defense.. Nev

i apologise.   do you realise you replying to a post from june. i haven't posted since because we were told to stop.

[skippydiesel]

 

Using ERSA alone,  I am challenging anyone to have a go  (no efb shortcuts, just the official ERSA entry) and report back.

 

I would be intersted in the experince of anyone trying to find the Landing Fees (etc) for Canberra. You know the one , the airport for our National Capitol.

 

• How long did it take you?
• What steps (phone calls, web sites, etc)?

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[Kiwi]

3 hours ago, facthunter said:

I've owned 3 aircraft a Citabria 7ECA a Fisher Horizon 2 and a

Please tell us about the Fisher Horizon 2,

Did you build it?

What engine did it run?

What would you compare it to?

And just to keep with the topic... could you read the ERSA with the doors off?

 

(I used to own a Fisher FP-202 Koala)

[facthunter]

The owner of the firm built it. Michael Fisher. it came from Gympie. Nev

[danny_galaga]

Only just noticing this thread now (I think, memory like a sieve 😄)

 

There's too many pages to go through, but in the first few. Someone mentioned getting charged for a touch and go. That actually seems reasonable to me, as you have literally used the airfield. What's the legal status of that? 

[skippydiesel]

44 minutes ago, danny_galaga said:

Only just noticing this thread now (I think, memory like a sieve 😄)

 

There's too many pages to go through, but in the first few. Someone mentioned getting charged for a touch and go. That actually seems reasonable to me, as you have literally used the airfield. What's the legal status of that? 

To the best of my understanding;

• Your wheels touch the airfield ground - you pay
• No contact (go round) - no pay

For the latter, I surest there be no doubt, as to there being no ground contact ie be well above  the strip.

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[Neil_S]

5 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

To the best of my understanding;

• Your wheels touch the airfield ground - you pay
• No contact (go round) - no pay

For the latter, I surest there be no doubt, as to there being no ground contact ie be well above  the strip.

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You would have thought so, but if you are contemplating flying into Barwon Heads :

 

"*** Missed approaches are calculated as a landing and a $10 fee will apply, multiple missed approaches will also be apportioned up to $25 per hour (whichever is greater)"

 

Sad and unsafe IMO.....

[BurnieM]

They would have a hard time establishing that is a reasonable charge in court and they probably know it.

 

So refuse to pay and advise in writing the airport owner and Avdata.

If there are legitimate charges on your Avdata bill make sure you pay them excluding the b/s charges.

 

[KRviator]

25 minutes ago, BurnieM said:

They would have a hard time establishing that is a reasonable charge in court and they probably know it.

 

So refuse to pay and advise in writing the airport owner and Avdata.

If there are legitimate charges on your Avdata bill make sure you pay them excluding the b/s charges.

 

I don't even pay the legitimate charges listed anymore. If an airport wants to outsource their invoicing to a company that can't generate a true and correct invoice - and then refuses to remove the BS charges - they won't get paid, simple as that. I'm done dealing with the parasites at Avdata and having to argue the point about where I have landed and where I haven't.

Avdata themselves appear to indicate they have no power to actually enforce the collection - instead inferring 'airport owners may deny you use of the facilities'. That'd be an interesting argument with my local as I'm entitled to an annual landing fee there as a grandfathered clause from way-back-when, yet AvData insist on charging for every landing.

Now, if an individual airport *cough* Gladstone *cough* wants to reach out and ask "Hey, KR, you gonna pay your landing fees?" and I explain why I haven't, but will happily do so if they invoice me directly and they do then they get paid that afternoon. I've no problems with legitimate charges, even if I firmly believe Council-run airports shouldn't charge private flyers landing fees at all. Last I looked, there's no toll booth into most towns...

Till then? Sorry, not sorry...

[skippydiesel]

I would encourage all private pilots, who happen to be charged for something they did not do (Land) or billed for a service that was not listed in ERSA, to ignore demands for payment.

 

I contend that you can not be charged for a service you did not use or had no knowledge of the charge, BEFORE  receiving the service.

You as the consumer/pilot should not be expected to go hunting for airfield access fees ie the fee schedule should be posted in an easily access able form & location. (ERSA).

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[coljones]

On 11/08/2026 at 2:21 PM, Thruster88 said:

Turn on android ozrunways, press screen twice and there it is, all the landing and parking charges. 

Tap an airport once to bring up the airport panel (along with other suggestions) and tap on the panel to bring up more details and links.  Tapping twice on the map will only bring up the airport diagram.

[coljones]

An improvement in ERSA, desperately needed, are the locations of loos and GA gates. The price of fuel and availability is part of planning and can be found by ringing the fuel truck from the comfort of a lounge room.

[skippydiesel]

Hi Coljones,

 

Your point (look in OzRunways or similar) has been made several times before.

 

As I said then and now repeat;

 

The landing fee information should be readily available to all, with or without an EFB, computre, telephone.

The logical & reasonable place to post/find the information is in ERSA.

I believe it's the Law, that service /good providers, must  post fees/charges information, in such a way that the consumer (pilot) will see it, without the need for further action / investigation - post in ERSA.

There are a small number of airfield owners, who do post their fees in ERSA - its not hard to do.

 

I find it quite extraordinary that I need to ask for this basic service/courtesy - post your fees in ERSA.

 

(Did you try and find Canberra's Landing Fees, just using ERSA?)

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Edited 14 hours ago by skippydiesel

[Reynard]

I found this interesting…..

 

https://www.aerodromeit.com.au/simple/landingfees

 

Primarily use ADS-B data for landing fees, then radio calls when there is no ADSB.

Also a suggestion to close cross-runways so councils can sell access to let farmers make hay instead !

 

is this lot a competitor to AvData ?

[facthunter]

Cross runways are to handle cross winds. That's why they Have them. It's for safety. Ignorance abounds.The actual area a runway occupies is not that Great.  Grass ones HAVE to be Mown or they are dangerous. Nev

[BrendAn]

13 minutes ago, Reynard said:

I found this interesting…..

 

https://www.aerodromeit.com.au/simple/landingfees

 

Primarily use ADS-B data for landing fees, then radio calls when there is no ADSB.

Also a suggestion to close cross-runways so councils can sell access to let farmers make hay instead !

 

is this lot a competitor to AvData ?

just another parasite, maybe even worse than avdata.   they should not be allowed to use ADS-B either. thats their for safety not for profiteering.

or is that why the government are pushing adsb for everyone. wouldn't surprise me.

Edited 12 hours ago by BrendAn

[facthunter]

The Gov't aren't pushing it for AVDATA .  and it is a safety Matter, world wide. Nev

[Reynard]

25 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Cross runways are to handle cross winds. That's why they Have them. It's for safety. Ignorance abounds.The actual area a runway occupies is not that Great.  Grass ones HAVE to be Mown or they are dangerous. Nev

The stated justification for closing cross-runways is because they are ‘out-dated’ and hark back to the days of taildragger aircraft.  
 

They can monitor the actual use of individual runways and can suggest to councils if a runway is not used much, then just flog it off.

 

 

[BrendAn]

12 minutes ago, Reynard said:

The stated justification for closing cross-runways is because they are ‘out-dated’ and hark back to the days of taildragger aircraft.  
 

They can monitor the actual use of individual runways and can suggest to councils if a runway is not used much, then just flog it off.

 

 

are they really that desperate for money. 

[BrendAn]

47 minutes ago, facthunter said:

The Gov't aren't pushing it for AVDATA .  and it is a safety Matter, world wide. Nev

the more the government help local councils make money the less they have to give them.

thats any government , not just the current .

all the airfields in our area started charging landing fees last year at the same time.

 

[facthunter]

You can't reasonably expect to have the use of them without Paying. some one HAS to pay. The user is appropriate. Nev

[BrendAn]

5 minutes ago, facthunter said:

You can't reasonably expect to have the use of them without Paying. some one HAS to pay. The user is appropriate. Nev

always your response.  commercial should pay.  rec pilots pay through shire rates and large hangar rents and other things i am sure.