Landing Fees

[facthunter]

Very Possible. Nev

[facthunter]

Too much Liability In Making it available to the Public. Nev

[PureCaboose]

Keep it a private ALA, you need permission to land on it (unless it is an emergency) like when you mates drive their cars on your property.

 

[Ian]

On 25/10/2025 at 2:27 AM, Moneybox said:

True, that’s the old Big Bell hotel a little west of here. My ground is totally void of shrubbery however I bought the grader and drainage pipes and commenced work but I have issues with the shire at present.

 

It has nothing to do with the airstrip but they have applied to the Mines Department to take my mining lease for recreation. No consultation with me just a letter from the Mines Department asking for my response which I did. Now I’m in the process of loading my guns ready for the first volley of legal action. I have the lawyer lined up and intend to consult with my legal team on Monday. My lease has proven reserves of over 25,000oz of gold.

 

I wouldn’t normally go down this road but I met the shire CEO on two occasions in the week prior to receiving the notification from the Mines Department but never heard a whisper about the proposals taking place.

 

If they want to play dirty I’m all in…. This is a small town and a very small community, there’s no call for this sort of behaviour.

Can't a mine have an airstrip?

There appear to be lots that do.

[onetrack]

There's a big difference between an exploration lease, and an operational mining project. The latter has to be officially approved and recognised as a project, with all the attendant extra permits and approvals from all levels of Govt. An exploration lease is simply a licence to explore for minerals with set expenditure provisions. 

 

W.A. mining laws are in the process of altering for smaller mining operations, the new legal structure for small scale mining is called an MDC (Mining Development and Closure Proposal).

An application to install an airstrip in W.A. must cover local zoning laws, infrastructure laws, aviation regulations, and environmental laws. In mining areas, a GPL (General Purpose Lease) must be taken out for airstrip use.

 

https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-mines-petroleum-and-exploration/mining-development-and-closure-proposals

 

[skippydiesel]

"An application to install an airstrip in W.A. must cover local zoning laws, infrastructure laws, aviation regulations, and environmental laws. In mining areas, a GPL (General Purpose Lease) must be taken out for airstrip use."

 

As I keep saying - why build an airstrip???

 

Way way to much bureaucracy/complication/angst/ etc 

 

Just grade a nice reasonably straight, reasonably level, without potholes & close trees/structures, farm road AN  ALA !!!!

 

No permission required.

 

😈

[T510]

At the recent Yarram club meeting we were told that number of movements at the aerodrome have dropped 40% since the introduction of landing fees.

 

They are still trying to get the information about the fee split between the council and AVData

[Blueadventures]

Can you erect a horse shelter on your property?

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, T510 said:

At the recent Yarram club meeting we were told that number of movements at the aerodrome have dropped 40% since the introduction of landing fees.

 

They are still trying to get the information about the fee split between the council and AVData

Probably why sale is quiet too.

I know one person who has had a go at Wellington shire . They have been double charging him using the cameras at each end.

[Moneybox]

53 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

Can you erect a horse shelter on your property?

Might depend on how many horsepower you intend to keep in there....

 

My problem is that I cannot disturb the soil using machinery without, as onetrack says, a Mining Development and Closure Proposal so that's what I submitted. It may have been a mistake as I've been a little hasty in dealing with the Shire proposal.

[johnm]

Ask Council if you can put some tables and chairs out front of house - that's pretty harmless and no doubt they'l say yes

 

[skippydiesel]

Seems to me you problem comes down to wanting to do something minor, within the town limits.

 

Dont know how far the limits extend however would it be possible to move your project to just outside the town boundary ???😈

 

[Garfly]

AvData Pty. Ltd  will be praying that this disease ain't for the spreadin'.

 

 

Florida Bans ADS-B Fee Calculation at Airports

WWW.FLYINGMAG.COM

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Florida is the latest to restrict ADS-B data use for certain nonsafety purposes amid a push to end the practice nationwide.

 

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, Garfly said:

AvData Pty. Ltd  will be praying that this disease ain't for the spreadin'.

 

 

Florida Bans ADS-B Fee Calculation at Airports

WWW.FLYINGMAG.COM

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Florida is the latest to restrict ADS-B data use for certain nonsafety purposes amid a push to end the practice nationwide.

 

Hope it happens here. 

 

[KRviator]

Saw someone leaving my local runway with "SNOOPY" as their ADS-B output. Not just on FR24, but directly logged in to  both my ADS-B receivers, so it wasn't lost in the web-translation...

If CAsA were serious about "the safety of air navigation", they would outlaw collecting info on landing fees from radio calls and/or ADS-B to encourage their use and try to limit fraudulent calls or callsigns.

[Arron25]

Always a case of 'follow the money'

[facthunter]

Avdata are a Hard to deal with and costly Debt collector which should not be Involved in the equation in the first Place without the Customers knowledge or agreement. . Nev

[KRviator]

I "owe" hundreds of dollars to AvData in landing fees after they've tried to charge me for landing at places I've never been, or the asshats charging for individual landings at my local, when I'm entitled to an 'annual' landing fee and  they consistently refuse to remove the bull$hit charges. So their invoices line my cats litter tray. AIUI from letters they've repeatedly sent, they don't have the authority to involve a collection agency as the debt is not with them, but with the individual airports. Anyway, some of the overdue charges go back years.

 

And on that note, I've had one of the airports legitimately owed some coin ring me up - after getting my contact details from AvData mind you - asking when I'll pay it, and when I said "When AvData stop sending me fraudulent invoices - but if you want to send me one of yours [invoices] to pay, I'll pay it this afternoon". They did, I did and everyone lived happily ever after. Though the cost for the "Business services manager" at the large Queensland Council to find my phone number, make contact, listen to my spiel, generate an invoice and email it would have in fact cost more than the paltry amount they actually received for my single landing at their airport...

Edited 16 hours ago by KRviator

[skippydiesel]

You know that the AvData cancer is close to untreatable,  when some very "ordinary" dirt strips, with minimal amenities (tin shed) are being administered by the company. 

 

The owner (Council?) must be completely nuts, if they think buckets of money are going to descend from the heavens😈

Edited 5 hours ago by skippydiesel

[facthunter]

By the same token a Loss on the books doesn't help your chances of anything permanent or secure. It's not reasonable to expect use of it for free. car parking costs in many Places. Close to a Town is very convenient User Pays is a common Philosophy. emergency use is something the Council should appreciate in Keeping available and it's something for Ratepayers to Keep on Mind IF a case has to Be made to Keep the Facility.. Nev