RA-AUS renewal now with lots of Membership Terms and Conditions

[jackc]

7 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

All good, just asking what SAAA members need to put in place to fly.

Become a member of the SAAA, take your aircraft off the RAA register and go to CASA  and apply for a VH experimental call sign,  dust off your RPL fly away happy🤩

Contact SAAA for any other formalities, you may need to complete? 
If you wish to maintain your own aircraft, whether you built it or not, you do the  SAAA MPC Course, qualify and take your certificate to CASA, who will give you a certificate to maintain your own aircraft, under their requirements. 

[T510]

15 minutes ago, jackc said:

Become a member of the SAAA, take your aircraft off the RAA register and go to CASA  and apply for a VH experimental call sign,  dust off your RPL fly away happy🤩

Contact SAAA for any other formalities, you may need to complete? 
If you wish to maintain your own aircraft, whether you built it or not, you do the  SAAA MPC Course, qualify and take your certificate to CASA, who will give you a certificate to maintain your own aircraft, under their requirements. 

Any updates on the release date for the  CASA Instrument to allow owner maintenance?

 

I have already registered my interest with SAAA to take part in the MPC course when they start taking reservations

[onetrack]

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In 30 years of my own business I never held a Public Liability Policy.

That's all very well, but you obviously assessed your risk level in line with your level of public interaction, and made the commercial decision to avoid taking out a policy and to wear the risk, as it was low.

But a lot of people do not have that luxury, as they interact with the public on a large scale, and their risk level increases accordingly. To run a public event without a PL policy is financial suicide.

 

When I was a leading partner in a substantial earthmoving and mining contracting business for 30 years, it was imperative that the business have a PL policy, due to the constant interaction with clients, their employees and the general public (we did road construction too, and interacted with traffic).

However, in 30 years, we only had one PL claim, and it was for a relatively small damages claim, one of our machines accidentally started a fire in a farming area via sparks being generated by dozer tracks running over flat granite rocks. The fire was rapidly contained with minimal damage.

 

If you crash and start a fire, you could be up for a sizeable bill - and if you damage infrastructure, you will receive a major bill for repairs to the infrastructure you damaged.

Not a lot of car drivers understand, that if you run off the road in moment of carelessness, and hit a power or light pole, you get the bill for the replacement of said pole - and that is a very large bill in todays world, it's not unusual for a single pole replacement cost to run between $10,000 to $40,000.

[jackc]

16 minutes ago, T510 said:

Any updates on the release date for the  CASA Instrument to allow owner maintenance?

 

I have already registered my interest with SAAA to take part in the MPC course when they start taking reservations

My latest update as of yesterday is, end of this month, latest middle of May, some legal points in the Legislative  Instrument need to be attended to. 
The Course Syllabus itself has been fully signed off by CASA, and ready to go.

Bookings will be taken, as soon as the CASA Legislative Instrument is finalised .

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[sfGnome]

Just to clarify, SAAA and RAAus are totally different types of entities. SAAA exists to assist people to build and fly aircraft. They have absolutely zero involvement (apart from lobbying for changes) in the administration of aircraft. For the types we fly, it’s either CASA or RAAus for the administration. If you don’t like one, pick the other. If you don’t like either, then find another hobby. SAAA will help you whether you’re building for VH or RAAus registration (in my chapter, we have two builders aiming towards RAAus rego). 

[BurnieM]

1 hour ago, jackc said:

Become a member of the SAAA, take your aircraft off the RAA register and go to CASA  and apply for a VH experimental call sign, dust off your RPL fly away happy🤩

Contact SAAA for any other formalities, you may need to complete? 
If you wish to maintain your own aircraft, whether you built it or not, you do the  SAAA MPC Course, qualify and take your certificate to CASA, who will give you a certificate to maintain your own aircraft, under their requirements. 

Class 5 medical makes a RPL easy.

 

After you have your certificate from CASA are you required to maintain your SAAA membership ?

 

[440032]

BEWARE OF UNINTENDED MISINFORMATION ON HERE FOLKS.

"If you wish to maintain your own aircraft, whether you built it or not, you do the SAAA MPC Course, qualify and take your certificate to CASA, who will give you a certificate to maintain your own aircraft, under their requirements."

Sorry Burnie - you obviously don't know how it all works. I'm sure your info was well intentioned though, but it's not accurate.

 

CASA Instrument 18/22 (in part) allows builder of a VH registered amateur built experimental aircraft the entitlement to maintain the aircraft they built, if they do a course of training on regulatory matters, such as the SAAA MPC.

SAAA MPC certificate is not in itself an approval to do anything, it's just a certificate of course completion.

CASA gives nobody personally a certificate to do anything. It's not true.

 

Also, amateur-built experimental aircraft must obtain an Experimental Certificate, not just CASA registration, pilot must have a CASA pilot licence and a CASA medical - such as Class 5. Switching an RAAus plane to VH-EXP is not a five minute job and there are a lot of other factors at play, lots of ducks to be put into lines before pulling the trigger on any of it.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Blueadventures]

1 hour ago, BurnieM said:

Class 5 medical makes a RPL easy.

 

After you have your certificate from CASA are you required to maintain your SAAA membership ?

 

From what a group meeting I was at were told, no.

[BurnieM]

46 minutes ago, 440032 said:

BEWARE OF UNINTENDED MISINFORMATION ON HERE FOLKS.

"If you wish to maintain your own aircraft, whether you built it or not, you do the SAAA MPC Course, qualify and take your certificate to CASA, who will give you a certificate to maintain your own aircraft, under their requirements."

Sorry Burnie - you obviously don't know how it all works. I'm sure your info was well intentioned though, but it's not accurate.

 

CASA Instrument 18/22 (in part) allows builder of a VH registered amateur built experimental aircraft the entitlement to maintain the aircraft they built, if they do a course of training on regulatory matters, such as the SAAA MPC.

SAAA MPC certificate is not in itself an approval to do anything, it's just a certificate of course completion.

CASA gives nobody personally a certificate to do anything. It's not true.

 

Also, amateur-built experimental aircraft must obtain an Experimental Certificate, not just CASA registration, pilot must have a CASA pilot licence and a CASA medical - such as Class 5. Switching an RAAus plane to VH-EXP is not a five minute job and there are a lot of other factors at play, lots of ducks to be put into lines before pulling the trigger on any of it.

 

I am not uninformed.

I understand this new course (similar to the existing course but with new CASA paperwork) will allow an owner who was not the original builder to maintain a VH registered amateur built experimental aircraft.

 

I am expecting there to be restrictions that we are not currently aware of.

 

As I will not be converting from RAAus to CASA registration I will leave the requirements for this to others to investigate.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by BurnieM

[T510]

3 hours ago, 440032 said:

BEWARE OF UNINTENDED MISINFORMATION ON HERE FOLKS.

"If you wish to maintain your own aircraft, whether you built it or not, you do the SAAA MPC Course, qualify and take your certificate to CASA, who will give you a certificate to maintain your own aircraft, under their requirements."

Sorry Burnie - you obviously don't know how it all works. I'm sure your info was well intentioned though, but it's not accurate.

 

CASA Instrument 18/22 (in part) allows builder of a VH registered amateur built experimental aircraft the entitlement to maintain the aircraft they built, if they do a course of training on regulatory matters, such as the SAAA MPC.

SAAA MPC certificate is not in itself an approval to do anything, it's just a certificate of course completion.

CASA gives nobody personally a certificate to do anything. It's not true.

 

Also, amateur-built experimental aircraft must obtain an Experimental Certificate, not just CASA registration, pilot must have a CASA pilot licence and a CASA medical - such as Class 5. Switching an RAAus plane to VH-EXP is not a five minute job and there are a lot of other factors at play, lots of ducks to be put into lines before pulling the trigger on any of it.

 

 

 

 

 

Both of you are right, at the moment what you have posted is true, what Burnie posted is currently in the works and due  to be released very soon.

 

CASA are working on a Part 43 Instrument that will allow owners to work on aircraft they have not built.

"Part 43 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations (CASR) which will set out the rules for maintaining aircraft. These rules are proposed to apply to aircraft engaged in private, flight training, aerial application, and aerial work operations"

https://www.casa.gov.au/rules/regulatory-framework/casr/part-43-casr-maintenance-aircraft-private-and-aerial-work-operations

 

Here is the spiel from the SAAA website - https://saaa.asn.au/maintenace-for-aircraft-owners/

"Maintenance Update for Non Builders – 8th April 2026

We’ve had a number of enquiries about the upcoming maintenance pathway for owners who didn’t build their EAB aircraft. CASA is still finalising the instrument that will outline the requirements, and we’ll share more information as soon as it’s released.

It’s important to note that this is not a SAAA issued instrument. It is a CASA qualification, and once in place, it will give eligible non builders the privilege and authority to maintain their own EAB aircraft in accordance with the instrument.

 

[rodgerc]

If you’ve already built a substantially similar aircraft and purchase another experimental built by someone else, there is an avenue to be the maintainer of the aircraft….