Landing Fees

[facthunter]

Very Possible. Nev

[facthunter]

Too much Liability In Making it available to the Public. Nev

[PureCaboose]

Keep it a private ALA, you need permission to land on it (unless it is an emergency) like when you mates drive their cars on your property.

 

[Ian]

On 25/10/2025 at 2:27 AM, Moneybox said:

True, that’s the old Big Bell hotel a little west of here. My ground is totally void of shrubbery however I bought the grader and drainage pipes and commenced work but I have issues with the shire at present.

 

It has nothing to do with the airstrip but they have applied to the Mines Department to take my mining lease for recreation. No consultation with me just a letter from the Mines Department asking for my response which I did. Now I’m in the process of loading my guns ready for the first volley of legal action. I have the lawyer lined up and intend to consult with my legal team on Monday. My lease has proven reserves of over 25,000oz of gold.

 

I wouldn’t normally go down this road but I met the shire CEO on two occasions in the week prior to receiving the notification from the Mines Department but never heard a whisper about the proposals taking place.

 

If they want to play dirty I’m all in…. This is a small town and a very small community, there’s no call for this sort of behaviour.

Can't a mine have an airstrip?

There appear to be lots that do.

[onetrack]

There's a big difference between an exploration lease, and an operational mining project. The latter has to be officially approved and recognised as a project, with all the attendant extra permits and approvals from all levels of Govt. An exploration lease is simply a licence to explore for minerals with set expenditure provisions. 

 

W.A. mining laws are in the process of altering for smaller mining operations, the new legal structure for small scale mining is called an MDC (Mining Development and Closure Proposal).

An application to install an airstrip in W.A. must cover local zoning laws, infrastructure laws, aviation regulations, and environmental laws. In mining areas, a GPL (General Purpose Lease) must be taken out for airstrip use.

 

https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-mines-petroleum-and-exploration/mining-development-and-closure-proposals

 

[skippydiesel]

"An application to install an airstrip in W.A. must cover local zoning laws, infrastructure laws, aviation regulations, and environmental laws. In mining areas, a GPL (General Purpose Lease) must be taken out for airstrip use."

 

As I keep saying - why build an airstrip???

 

Way way to much bureaucracy/complication/angst/ etc 

 

Just grade a nice reasonably straight, reasonably level, without potholes & close trees/structures, farm road AN  ALA !!!!

 

No permission required.

 

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[T510]

At the recent Yarram club meeting we were told that number of movements at the aerodrome have dropped 40% since the introduction of landing fees.

 

They are still trying to get the information about the fee split between the council and AVData

[Blueadventures]

Can you erect a horse shelter on your property?

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, T510 said:

At the recent Yarram club meeting we were told that number of movements at the aerodrome have dropped 40% since the introduction of landing fees.

 

They are still trying to get the information about the fee split between the council and AVData

Probably why sale is quiet too.

I know one person who has had a go at Wellington shire . They have been double charging him using the cameras at each end.

[Moneybox]

53 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

Can you erect a horse shelter on your property?

Might depend on how many horsepower you intend to keep in there....

 

My problem is that I cannot disturb the soil using machinery without, as onetrack says, a Mining Development and Closure Proposal so that's what I submitted. It may have been a mistake as I've been a little hasty in dealing with the Shire proposal.

[johnm]

Ask Council if you can put some tables and chairs out front of house - that's pretty harmless and no doubt they'l say yes

 

[skippydiesel]

Seems to me you problem comes down to wanting to do something minor, within the town limits.

 

Dont know how far the limits extend however would it be possible to move your project to just outside the town boundary ???😈

 

[Garfly]

AvData Pty. Ltd  will be praying that this disease ain't for the spreadin'.

 

 

Florida Bans ADS-B Fee Calculation at Airports

WWW.FLYINGMAG.COM

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Florida is the latest to restrict ADS-B data use for certain nonsafety purposes amid a push to end the practice nationwide.

 

[BrendAn]

2 hours ago, Garfly said:

AvData Pty. Ltd  will be praying that this disease ain't for the spreadin'.

 

 

Florida Bans ADS-B Fee Calculation at Airports

WWW.FLYINGMAG.COM

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Florida is the latest to restrict ADS-B data use for certain nonsafety purposes amid a push to end the practice nationwide.

 

Hope it happens here. 

 

[KRviator]

Saw someone leaving my local runway with "SNOOPY" as their ADS-B output. Not just on FR24, but directly logged in to  both my ADS-B receivers, so it wasn't lost in the web-translation...

If CAsA were serious about "the safety of air navigation", they would outlaw collecting info on landing fees from radio calls and/or ADS-B to encourage their use and try to limit fraudulent calls or callsigns.

[Arron25]

Always a case of 'follow the money'

[facthunter]

Avdata are a Hard to deal with and costly Debt collector which should not be Involved in the equation in the first Place without the Customers knowledge or agreement. . Nev

[KRviator]

I "owe" hundreds of dollars to AvData in landing fees after they've tried to charge me for landing at places I've never been, or the asshats charging for individual landings at my local, when I'm entitled to an 'annual' landing fee and  they consistently refuse to remove the bull$hit charges. So their invoices line my cats litter tray. AIUI from letters they've repeatedly sent, they don't have the authority to involve a collection agency as the debt is not with them, but with the individual airports. Anyway, some of the overdue charges go back years.

 

And on that note, I've had one of the airports legitimately owed some coin ring me up - after getting my contact details from AvData mind you - asking when I'll pay it, and when I said "When AvData stop sending me fraudulent invoices - but if you want to send me one of yours [invoices] to pay, I'll pay it this afternoon". They did, I did and everyone lived happily ever after. Though the cost for the "Business services manager" at the large Queensland Council to find my phone number, make contact, listen to my spiel, generate an invoice and email it would have in fact cost more than the paltry amount they actually received for my single landing at their airport...

Edited Sunday at 09:26 PM by KRviator

[skippydiesel]

You know that the AvData cancer is close to untreatable,  when some very "ordinary" dirt strips, with minimal amenities (tin shed) are being administered by the company. 

 

The owner (Council?) must be completely nuts, if they think buckets of money are going to descend from the heavens😈

Edited Monday at 07:47 AM by skippydiesel

[facthunter]

By the same token a Loss on the books doesn't help your chances of anything permanent or secure. It's not reasonable to expect use of it for free. car parking costs in many Places. Close to a Town is very convenient User Pays is a common Philosophy. emergency use is something the Council should appreciate in Keeping available and it's something for Ratepayers to Keep on Mind IF a case has to Be made to Keep the Facility.. Nev

[KRviator]

15 hours ago, facthunter said:

By the same token a Loss on the books doesn't help your chances of anything permanent or secure. It's not reasonable to expect use of it for free.

Of course it is... Come back to me when you get stung paying a toll to drive through the Dubbo CBD.

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car parking costs in many Places. Close to a Town is very convenient User Pays is a common Philosophy

That's not a valid comparison. Paid parking - particularly in regional centers - is to encourage turnover of vehicles in the limited amount of parking spaces they have, thus preventing office lackeys and workers simply parking out the front of a business for the day and preventing actual shoppers from being able to park.

[skippydiesel]

Strange how quickly people forget/accept the status quo - Most publicly accessible airfields, around Australia, (post WW2) were owned by the Federal Government (US!). 

 

The Government uses our money to develop/maintain these assets ie nothing is for free.

 

Publicly accessible airfields, do not just serve us (privet pilots) they are a valuable asset to their local community - travel, tourism, emergency service, FIFO personnel, emergency landing and agricultural aviation .

 

THEN the Gov sells or gives them away.

 

The sold ones go to businesses that know they can make a hansom profit from our asset. The now, privately owned airfields have all sorts of user fees applied AND often see non aviation development, that can impact aircraft safety and almost certainly foretells the ultimate goal of the owners - no more airfield.

 

The give away's (transfers) seem to go to rural Councils, that also think there is a few extra $$ to be made. This is where the likes of AvData come in. For the most part the extra dollar expectation is an illusion. If they are lucky, they might come close to breaking even.

 

Councils have had a very rude shock with the ASIC security upgrade costs,  imposed by the  Gov, on all RPT airfields  We think we are hardly done by, with this ineffectual ridiculous cost - imagine if you are a cash strapped council.

 

Paying $10-$50 to land somewhere & park, doesn't seem unreasonable - that is until you have multiples of this cost, on a trip away.

 

There are some Council owners who have a more informed strategy eg Charge only apply to turbine/jet aircraft (ie normally commercial heavy aircraft). Others do not charge for landing and or parking at all. 

 

Publicly accessible airfields, do not just serve us (privet pilots) they are a valuable asset, like roads, to their local community - travel, tourism, emergency service, FIFO personnel, emergency landings and agricultural aviation.

 

In the past publicly owned assets were either used "free" or subsidised, as a public good. As a public good they facilitated all sorts of other activities. This is called synergy  - Synergy is  the combined power or interaction of two or more agents/substances that produces a total effect greater than the sum of their individual contributions . This concept has given way to the shortsighted, regressive,  philosophy of  "User Pays" (part of Economic Rationalism?), to the detriment of the individual and society as a whole.

 

Recreational /Private aviation seems to be on the decline. I have no doubt there are many factors contributing to this. Cost (which includes land/parking fees) would have to be a major disincentive.

 

😈

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:17 AM by skippydiesel

[facthunter]

Some  weak arguments there,  Lads.  Nev

[jackc]

I would alleged  RAAus sold Avdata our Stakeholder database, that information came to me from a spy in the sky. 
How does that make the Stakeholders  feel? The organisation profiting from OUR data?

[clouddancer]

RAAus cannot sell your data! But they advised members years ago, they would allow AvData to send bills to members.

They used to forward the bills to the members, but admin staff spent all their time forwarding and it was costing the organisation and therefore members too much money.