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Enough amazing stories here to write a book.

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....terms like Voiler or Mae West or Gendame.

The Kappoka room had a certain smell to it, so the postings were usually brief but one caught the Journalist's eye. Normally the highlight of his day was when Cappy came in and started his post with "When I was a Colonel in His Majesty's India Lancers" and wrote a hilarious story, but he never followed the script.

The "script" was a subject chalked up on the blackboard every day by the Journalist and everyone was supposed to stick to the subject so when all the posts went into the newspaper there was some continuity. Cappy would test him every day, on one occasion writing 1500 words which had nothing to with the subject and then the last word capturing the subject exactly.

The particular post was from bull, a stranger to Kappoka.............

2 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

 

 

• If the authorities wanted to make it difficult for an aspiring suicide pilot, to get training , that can be done at the student license stage.

The Asic card does that. If someone is noticed wandering around a light airctraft doing a preflight or putting packages into it, the Asic card immediately identifies the person has been checked out by Federal police rather than having to detain the person for hours getting checks made.

2 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

• I think we all thought ASIC was a reasonable plan, at the time - that time has long passed and yet we continue with this ridiculous system, restricting doemstic pilots access to public airfields - to what practical, beneficial, objective??.

There are current threats, why would we do a Neville Chamberlain?

2 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

• Australia would have to be very close to the bottom of any terrorist target list, thats if we get onto it at all.  We are just way too insignificant (small fry) on the World stage, too far away and despite are minor involvement in some pretty dodgy Super Power warmongering, have not sufficiently upset the people's likly to be seeking organised revenge.

That's your asessment, but how about this: "..... also known as ......returned from .......late last month and is again extolling the virtues of jihad at the  .........  Islamic Information Centre in ................

The location is an innocemt looking suburb in Melbourne with dozens of restaurants, mostly Chinese, Laotian amd Vietnamese.

or

And when they are caught by Fed police: ".........who is serving 15 years jail for planning a terrorist attack in Melbourne."

Or the graduate of the learning centre who lured Vic Police to a site and opened fire on them, luckily being shot dead by Police.

There's been a steady stream of potential terrorists around Australia for decades.

2 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

• As I have repeatedly stated - if a terrorist wanted to attack an RPT aircraft, he/she need only purchase a easily acquired drone.

They've done that overseas, using shoulder-fire missiles, but they can do that from outside the perimeter of the airport.

2 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

• By their nature, we  have almost no defence against "Lone Wolf" domestic terror attacks

The ASIC process does protect us in lone wolf attacks. Overseas , where ones and twos of terrorist showed up at training airfields and asked for training and no questions were asked even when they said they didn't need to do landings. They were given training no questions asked, they learned how the aircraft could be accessed (the no keys, she's OK, Let's Go! method) they loaded their aircraft and they attacked their targets. .

In those cases the instructors either echoed the sentiments we're reading,where people don't think a terrorist would ever come to their airport, or that arabic people saying they didn't need to be taught to land were just a bit of fun or whatever lame excuse they came up with.   If it was Australia, with an ASIC airfield and there was a security protocol being followed by everyone on the field, those terrorists would not have passed the ASIC screening so not allowed to be trained, so the attacks wouldn't have occurred.

2 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

What "....current discovery in Victoria which the Premier and Albo are working on"  (since when did career politicians work on anything other than getting/maintaining power?) are you referring to the Sydney caravan containing explosives?

😈

Yes, it might not tickle your fancy, but Australia is a commonwealth of six sovereign states and two territories, so there are issues to be discussed and arrangements to be made when joint action is needed.

I've just answered your series of scenarios, but in reality the threats and reactions might be quite different, but the ASIC card cost is less than an hour's flying for most people.  

3 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Probably 50 plus years since I last flew into a major Victorian airport. 

 

I have always made the point that I support ASIC type security for major airports, both international & doemstic. My "beef" is the application (sort of) to small RPT airports (& even those who no longer have an RPT service).

 

A quick check of ERSA - Essendon does not appear to have any particular rules, other than stating its a Security Controlled Airport, ASIC required. Melbourne/Moorabbin adds words to the effect that All departing passengers will be subject to security screening.😈

The achilles heel in your story Skippy is that the terrorists involved in the light aircraft attacks went out to small fields, did some basic training then launched their attacks.  After that, some Authority,maybe CASA made a requirement for all light aircraft to have secure door locks. I can remember flying for a while with a hole in the door, hole in the fuselage and unlocking a big padlock.

The current discovery in Victoria which the Premier and Albo are working on is a timely reminder not to get careless. These people are driven enough to think up new ways, partticularly when people roll out the "easy" signs on social media.

......and then "What's a carrier?. what's a browser?, what's a computer?"

bull had stepped into a time warp, and although the face staring at him looked familiar he couldn't remember who it was. He vaguely ........

.......famous Australia-wide, but not in the name we've come to know and love; he went by the name of LLub from Latvia, and no one ever guessed it was old bull.

Cappy of course pretended he was bull's thumb and the fan mail from the chicks kept him skinny for years until one day one of them, a veteran of the early B&S culture at Balranald who carted 20,000 bales of hay every summer tracked the newspaper down and showed up at the Kapooka  Writing Room just as ........

...into town to the Bone Writing Room to play. In those legacy days at the get go of the final days of the last century, Writing Rooms had been invented and spread from town to town. A journalist was appointed by the town newsapaper and he  (the women were home cooking dinner) was there to help those who had never been to school (a fair percentage of the Writing Room in some States). The writers would make their statements using their free pens, and "post" the statements in a slot under the journalist's desk. You could use your pen's name or even post as Anonymous. Some people would post in as many as 16 different names and have them picking on someone in the town , the government, each other or the local cop. At closing time the journalist would collect all the "posts" and publish them the next week.

bull "posted" in the name of Brutus, with the tag line "Brutus adsum iam forte; Caesar adsum tu". The Journalist in the town got to know who was writing the "posts" because as the writers got up to ask for help he'd see the "poster" name and quickly got to remember the writing, so when someone wrote  "Journalists are XXXXX" thinking they were safe, he would write his own story for the paper .........

........rare rift between Cappy and Turbo. 

Most millenials would be unaware of this , but before '85 (so "last Century) there was no Internet and there were no PCs in the general population.

We all carried Pens in our front shirt pocket and were judged by a hierarcy of pen lables. Cappy, with his British background was a Parker man, and you had to pay 8 pounds for one, so only the rich, or in Cappy's case "Nouveau Riche" could afford them. Top of the brands for ink was Quink which  was equally expensive. The Quink ink manufacturing company was owned by Solomon Turbine, who had searched the world for the most beautiful blue dye he could find. This was important in two ways; firstly to have an attractive appearance on the expensive parchment used to write letters and secondly when the non-Parker fountain pens leaked in your front pocket just as you entered a room for a meeting, the stain was acceptable.

Cappy was snakey at having to buy ink from Solomon so he.........

1 hour ago, Blueadventures said:

Agree, talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.  A test fine polish cut would be all and some different shades would still exist.  Do it on boat hulls all the time.  The old rego numbers show due to the gel coat having been shaded by the numbers.

 

Attached is what I posted that I use.

If you care to go back you'll see what we recommended for the OP and the op said it didn't work. Under those circumstances, Meguiars wouldn't be able to do any better.

So some of us went looking for further solutions and if you look up a few posts you'll see that Skippy asked a very reasonable question and I gave him the best answer I could.

What would you have preferred I do to Skippy? tell him to belt up?  

1 hour ago, Red said:

Jesus wept, the guy was just talking about some discolouration that might not have even been noticable untill the stickers were removed

If you care to follow the thread you'll find I was answering a question from Skippy. 

......prompted Turbo to come to her aid by saying he didn't really have all that money, he only had a few billion, and Gina smiled again but no one was to know how devious she was although Cappy had an inkling........

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36 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Hi Turbs,

I am impressed by the durability of your FRP examples.

I am now more curious;

Does the type of "damage" suggest the type/quality of the composite? eg  Jabs out in the weather look a little dull, but seem to be structurally sound.

Yes laminate in high quality resin will retain its memory (springyness) longer.

If you press your thumb against the side of a new Jab, you can do a basic gauge comparison with a similar thickness curved laminate of poor quality resin and your thumb will go in deeper and the material will tank longer to rebound.

36 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Can the surface damage be categorised into surface only - indication of deeper problems?

With a gelcoat/polyester/chopped strand mat fibrelass laminate  (very roughly here)

Stage 1 Dull surface of gelcoat (gelcoat problem - polish or cut and polish)

Stage 2 Dull Plus surface powder (as 1 but can be deteriorating in the laminate also)

Stage 3 Tiny cracks, crazing (through the gelcoat ad water getting into the laminate - structural damage starting)

Stage 4 Bigger cracks, big long lines of crazing. When the laminate bulges these cracks open and let the weather in. At the very                least the gelcoat needs sanding off and replaced).

Stage 5 Chunks of gelcoat dropping off between the Stage 4 cracks and crazes, more rapid deterioration of the resin

              and a lot more softening.

Stage 6 Areas of resin crazing into small squares and dropping out of the fibreglass fibres. 

Inspecting for Stages 3,4 you would be doing a lot of thumb pushing.

36 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

 

With Ninja - I understand that the fuselage is made up of composite panels over an alloy frame, so it's likly that any composite deterioration, is more of an esthetic than a safety issue?

This is where you can't generalise; you have to go back to the individual manufacturer.

They might all be using fibreglass but the engineering, specifications etc will all be different.

When the weather has got into the laminate, a monocoque structure is virtually at the point where you have to throw it away.

Even with a space frame for structural strength deteriorated panels will be torn off their mountings or collapse in wind pressure, so space frame aircraft can be just as dangerous.

Bottom line is you have to replace  deteriorated panels before they become a safety hazard, so you will be needing expert advice from the manufacturer.

......Gina and OT for years and they could often be seen smooching in the Kling Long Nightclub in Hong Kong after flying there in separate airlines.

It did look a bit odd because OT is so skinny, but they were happy enough and the partnership prospered until.........

A truckie friend of Turbo was caught out there one night after sneaking in for quick perv at the strippers while dining. One of them walked up to his table and pulled him up to dance. He thought "What the heck, no one will know me here and was acting silly when from the sidelines there was a bellow 'GO KNIGHTY'

17 hours ago, facthunter said:

The RESIN is the reason..  It's not forever. Nev

The resin is the critical component and this paper by Sindhu & Joseph gives some data on the subject.

There are many resins available and many standards on sale. Whether Oxidation, UV, chemical splashed etc, some products crack or colapse to a powder and the laminate is just a heap of glass fibres and powder. You can see that a lot in cheap boats which have been made with cheap resin and thin laminates.

At the other end of the scale are products like these Atkinson FRP Truck Cabs and FRP Refrigerated Vans. There are still plenty in operation after 55 - 59 years. The FRP Refrigerated rigid trucks have had several refrigeration unit replacements and some are on their 7th truck cab/chassis.

There is video of the Tower asking the Helicopter PIC if he could see the approaching aircraft.

........Lang Hancock and Robert Bunning.

We all know that Lang flew a Cessna and was always getting lost and one day he was flying up an unfamiliar valley and found Gina's fortune.

Not many people know that Robert Bunning was also an entrepreneur as a timer miller and builder of most of Perth's early homes, shops and factories.

Lang used to say "Bob, get out of those XXXXXXX overalls; you have to have a XXXXXXX vision like me, that's how you make XXXXXXX money."

Robert would defend himself and say, "If I could buy hammers, saws, nails from 1/2" to 6" and baths in WA instead of waiting for the Camel trains to walk in from the east I'd make money too!

"Ever heard of Turbine Bros Marketing Consultants Inc.?" asked Lang mildly and six weeks later Arthur Turbine, whose pub nickname was "Turbo" walked in, and the rest is history, and btw that's why in the nails section whether you are looking in the 2" nail bin or the 5" nail bin, you'll always find nails from 1/2" to 6", and why..........

how does this thing work do i have to say my name?I notgood with these things.

Gislaine is detained just now but ther's plenty more where that came from for you Cappy

    turbie I;

......electronic cures which could be bought on subscription. 

We shouldn't tell you this, but NES readers never bleat secrets out; you have to be very careful when talking around OT. Outwardly he projects himself as a Gentleman but he listens then he strikes, and he'd heard us discussing Bill and Jeffrey in the early morning NES  meeting a few weeks ago. Next thing we see  these ads coming up on facebook from "Dr Spick", offering cures online for everything from ingrown toenails to a full blown health cure to pass Class 2 Medicals. Just how this could be done electronically wasn't said but there were hints of delivery by drone anywhere in the world, and of course a money-back guarantee if .........

Still no photo; hmmmm

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

You only remove the "oxidised" paint. Waxed surfaces protect and make Dirt/bugs etc easier to remove. One thing about bugs is they don't have the guts to do it twice. Little plane were often known as Bugsmashers.  Nev

Save your breath, we're just doing a lot of thinking for someone who wants an answer but can't be bothered posting a photo or giving the depth. He's already said a fix didn't work at the depth you're talking about and after years of sittinf idle the oxidation is likely to be deep, so well beyond the gelcoat, well into the resin, so better to buy new panels or at the very least pay for an assessment by an FRP expert and I don't mean someone who just owns a similar aircraft.

2 minutes ago, onetrack said:

.....the reasons the SES were in Afghanistan, instead of attending to natural disaster cleanups in W.A. and Victoria. "This is an abominable move that really needs to be exposed, to show the dark underbelly of the SES management!!" he thundered.

"This is an organisation charged with repairing storm damage for Australians, and here we have them doing overseas junkets into 3rd world countries, and swanning around in taxpayer-supplied vehicles, and using..........

.....their chainsaws  to cut up the night’s meal.

They did catch a lot more machine gun fire in those orange overalls, but it was only half hearted after Turbine Propaganda (Middle East) Inc. dropped leaflets telling the Afghans to avoid them because they had the plague and.......

17 minutes ago, Red said:

Educate yourself

https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-08/documents/2007_07_10_oceans_regulatory_unds_tdddocuments_appamotor.pdf

Thanks for that; as we see from the USEPA document the areas where MOGAS and GASOLINE are supplied are defined. From that point the blending to suit the two market areas is up to the refineries and wholesale companies.

.....the Shire President really acted up. Following the established procedures of the AUF magazine, He wrote 17 Letters to the Editor, all in different names. There was one from Dad, one from Dave and so on. He made sure they were from all corners of the Shire and all extolled their beloved President.  He was clever, and even had some of them arguing amongst themselves when one of them said Green Jacket wasn't that good, and five others viciously responded and "exposed" the writer as a drunk. The letters went on for weeks but after a while the general farming community realised the grammar was always as bad as the President's and the "writers" were forgetting where "they" lived and who had which wife, and who was supposed to have had the best cows in the district. Max was an unusual journalist who not only had done the five year slog at CQU in Rockhampton, but after graduation had gone on to an embedding with the Australian SES in Afghanistan and became interested in which tribes could speak to each other and why other tribes had similar language but were unintelligible. From this he did a degree at Monash University in Anthropology. So it only took him three months of the Shire President's ravings to be able to source all the characters including Dad and Dave. There was even the Chinese market gardener Bok Choy writing to the newspaper in Mandarin but using precisely the same cadence and the Shire President. So he decided to write an expose and started with ...........

32 minutes ago, Red said:

MOGAS just means auto fuel, its not a specific brand/grade or type

MOGAS is a specific fuel in the USA.