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.........Hit with a capital B.

It was selling all round the world thanks to the Turbo AI clips showing Turbo bronzed in the oil standing in front of trains just in time to stop them from being hit by landslides, nudging his yacht right up to an iceberg to allow a Polar Bear to jump on board, avoiding starvation, and Turbo shaking hands with a lion. The clips went viral in India where people oiled up like Turbo, dressed in Safari suit, drank Tennesee whiskey and respected women. A rock band even named themselves after this runaway success. Only One Track wasn't happy, saying .........

.....tried to delay the clap with chiko roll oil.

He picked up his chikos as best he could and was just about to put them.........

This Sunday 60 minutes; a terrorist tells how he was going to take down an RPT aircraft.

.......the crowd had rushed across from the bull riding when they heard Turbo's pedal steel guitar crying out the song of the Rainbow Circuit, while Cappy danced and clicked the sticks.

He only took his eye off the sticks for a second but there was a thud rather than a click and Cappy had clapped one of his bits .......

$500,000.00 grants (AU?50.00) for housing and entertainment and two sheep per person.

There were no complaints from the Indigenous New Zealanders because the Bros were all living in Australia picking grapes, on the mines or conducting Welcome to Country ceremonies for Turbine WC Ltd.

Turbine WC had made a fortune by undercutting the traditional welcome TC people with a Special Price of $740.00 each, The Councils, desperate for savings had picked it up the deal to save money and the bros got a pig on a spit dinner for every new Council signed up. Soon the aotearoa tribe's Native Title push netted them 35% of Australia, until.......

ASIO have just released this (Source: The Age)

WX00329.pdf

.....the effervescence of the active hydrogen-based product which BTT Fluff NZ produced. The National Marketing Manager of BTTF assisted by his blonde Secretary entertained his thousands of potential investors at the Taupo Hilton with a dazzling series of PowerPoint, Video and stories showing the future potential of Fluff sales around the world culminating with the secretive confidential news that BTTF would be taking advantage of the waste hyydrogen to power cars and trucks throughout New Zealand from a network of 700 Fluff Entertainment Centres where you could fill up in 90 seconds then relax for a free 6 hours, claiming it on expenses the same as the EV jockeys did.

There was a surge of sales from Picton to Bay of Islands until someone hit X with the story that the product was just water...................

.................con the Australians with his research, but he made the mistake of outlining it to Bull (not bull) Two Tracks who was a shift little prick and quickly started advertising "Moa" feathers, which were really Kiwi feathers and necessitated killing millions of these gentle bird, prompting David Attenborough Turbine to campaign against it in a most convinciing way, and BTT Fluff (NZ) Pty Ltd was out of business until .........

6 minutes ago, T510 said:

If a plane is unregistered how does RAAus administer it?

 

The RAAus Flight Ops manual says their only form of enforcement is to suspend or apply a variation to a licence and they need to inform CASA.

 

Can't take a licence off someone who doesn't have one and is flying an unregistered plane

 

 

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.......long or short depending on the tide,  and where 87 years ago old Donald......

[Turbo has been there and asked them whether he did; but he didn't.]

                                                                                                                  and who also looked like the legendary Howard Hughes. Not many people know that Howard started his legendary aircraft design career when he was paid two bucks to clean out his uncle's backyard. He kept a length of pipe and some steel scraps, a heap of woven plastic and an old Monarch mower motor and designed the modern bra we know so well and which has supported women better than many husbands.

Becoming bored, he grabbed one of the canteen's plastic chairs, bolted it to the pipe and by the following lunchtime had produced the Hughes MK1, which broke the record from Hokitika to ...............

29 minutes ago, Thruster88 said:

Please explain how aircraft in Australia with numbers on the side are not regulated. 

Regulate is to prescribe or control.

In the prescription age pre the mid 1980s we used to have prescriptive control and there were Controlling Bodies, one example being CAMS.

After the State and Federal Governments decided to offload liability on to the recreational and sporting activities, we had to completely rethink our way of managing Associations to avoid negligent actions by participants sucking us into losing our homes etc. so mostly we set benchmarks based in industry best practice, Australian Standards, International Standards etc. and the participants worked to those benchmarks.  T

Initially the water park people were pretty much out of business with collisions down waterslides producing Quadriplegics who needed house remodelling and 24 hour shift nursing for the rest of their lives - around $10 million at the time. The industry moved to a two person management. The one at the top raised a red flag when he released the kid, matched by the one at the bottom who'd cleared out the kids in the end pool. when the kid arrived and got out of the pool the bottom guy dropped the flag and the top guy let the next kid go. Injuries ceased, but the wages were costly. Today there are two electronic gates. The top one only opens when the bottom pool has been cleared.

So we've been coming up with new systems for around 40 years now.

45 minutes ago, Red said:

 

Regulators are not police

No Regulators involved. In Australia RA is self-administering.

58 minutes ago, T510 said:

I thought you said there was no injuries?

 

Unless you are talking about non compliant aircraft being grounded and other RA aircraft having to go through an audit?

 

Not medical injuries; hurt by finding their aircraft could not be made compliant with current regulations, hurt by not being able to afford costs required etc.

1 hour ago, jackc said:

Nothing is illegal unless you get caught doing it.  Only when you get caught and the illegality is discovered?  THEN you face the music.
As it was said to me on phone last night, you can fly an unregistered plane any time you like, the plane itself does not care if it’s not registered, it will still fly just the same, regardless 🤩

Today I gave an answer on what has happened to RA owners back in 2013 when someone did that. A lot of people got hurt.

25 minutes ago, facthunter said:

 Both including Low level and aerobatics. in GA.  A wide range of planes in the AUF/ RAAus field . Having Height is a good thing where its applicable.. . When you are a bit advanced Lower level smaller circuits MIGHT be a good thing to practice . Nev

Lower level circuits where?

49 minutes ago, facthunter said:

BAD example really. The Police have jurisdiction over all criminal acts. Not RAAus.  Police have control over all RAAus incidents/accidents unless ATSB intervene.. RAAus are invited to assist. Have no right to demand  access to anything.  Nev

Well, you'll just have to have a good cry then, because we're not all going to turn around and come back.

Why not watch what happens step by step in the current case.

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Why is it RAAus problem when he's not a pilot and the plane isn't registered.?  Nev

If you're driving an unregistered car with no licence, the police will fine you and the car is off the road until its registered. The police don't say "nothing to do with us"

2 hours ago, Love to fly said:

Genuine question. What happened in 2013?

 

An unregistered pilot in an unregistered RA aircraft found it necessary to do a beat up over some people and crashed without injury.

There was a lot of talk about it, and RAA Inc took the position that it wasn't a registered pilot, wasn't a registered RA aircraft, had on number so it wasn't RAA's problem.

CASA told RAA to do an audit of all RAA aircraft. 

A lot had to clean up their act; I suspect a lot with non complying aircraft never flew again.

8 hours ago, facthunter said:

Yeah YOU keep SAYING that, but it doesn't provide the answer to the real issue . Exposure to an almost UNLIMITED LIABILITY more so than most other sports you would compare it to. Nev. 

The discussion in some places here mixes up routine internal financial issues with external Public Liability claims. You've been talking about looking at the Constitution etc.

What has happened so far has just been a Coronial Inquest where RAA Ltd has been represented by lawyers, and that's expensive where multiple days are involved.

The Coroner has referred some of the evidence to the DPP for possible prosecution, and that could be very expensive to be involved in too.

Someone on this site is inferring there may be two more investigations; who knows what that means. It could be RAA doing an Audit, it could be CASA doing an audit into one of its SAAOs, just the same as the audit back in 2013 which permanently ended flying for a lot of people with non-compliant aircraft. Who knows.

Matters have been referred to the DPP by the Coroner. If they decide to investigate, that could be called an investigation.

After that is all over, there could be a civil suit relating to public liability if anyone is found to have had a duty of care and breached it, where your "real issue" comes into play. A judge decides that case, not CASA, not RAA.

We can't predict where that would go whether any payment would be awarded or how much or to whom.

You may not like the idea of paying out a partner's income for life because you made a mistake, but, say $100,000 per year x 35 years = $3.5 million. $40,000 x 35 years = $1.4 million (neither related to this case) is where the big dollar settlements come from.

That's just the way it has been from the mid 1980's.

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

IS ALL of  THAT good? I don't see your point. Surely WE need stability and the assurance that goes with it?  When people stuff around participants lose Money  and get  Older,  waiting. Nev

Firstly it's good to be able to find it, and correct the out of date line you were shooting.

Secondly, from the mid 1980s that's how virtually every sporting or recreational activity now works; you can sponge off taxpayers any more; there are direct consequences for negligence.

54 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

So casa has their bum covered. I understand what you are saying now.  

But what becomes of raaus will still be casas decision. 

Because they are separate bodies they're disposable if the worst come to the worst and CASA doesn't want one.

We've had RAA Inc close down  and Raa Ltd open up without the SAAO operations blinking.

We've had HGFA replaced by SAFA.

13 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

RAAus is an Approved Self-Administering Aviation Organisation (ASAO) formed under Part 149 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations and ultimately answerable to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA).

 

this line is out of the coroners report 

Well the Coroner's Report says:

"4. The registration of the aeroplane and Mr Farrell's licence to fly were regulated, in the first instance, by Recreational Aviation              Australia (RAAus)

5.   RAAus is an approved Self-Administered .......as written above.

If we then start with the SAAO Deeds of Agreement, the first one I found was with GFA 2015/16 which spells out on Page 10, Para 9   

"9. Indemnity 9.1 The GFA indemnifies CASA, its officers, employees and contractors against any liability, loss, damage, cost (including the cost of any settlement and legal costs and expenses on a solicitor and own client basis), compensation or expense arising out of or in any way in connection with: (a) a default or any unlawful, willful or negligent act or omission on the part of the GFA, its officers, employees, agents or subcontractors in connection with this Deed; or (b) any action, claim, dispute, suit or proceeding brought by any third party in respect of any use, infringement or alleged infringement of that third party's Intellectual Property Rights or Moral Rights in connection with this Deed. 9.2 The GFA's liability to indemnify CASA under clause 9.1 will be reduced proportionally to the extent that any act or omission of CASA or its employees or Agents contributed to the loss or liability."

These Deeds of Agreement haove now been replaced by Part 103 and Part 149 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998 (CASR 199) so anyone interested will be able to see exactly what the current wording is by going onto the CASA Website.

2 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Turbo runs this line constantly but clearly there is a lingering problem that at some time must be addressed..  Nev

I'm not running any line. You can't keep living in the past.  The CASA - RAA Inc. Agreements prior to the RAA Ltd change are posted on the site. They make it very clear who is responsible for what during the Agreement period. I'd suggest you go and have a look at a few of them and bring yourself up to date.  I couldn't see any reason an RAA Ltd member couldn't get a copy of the current agreement either, although their Ltd status  may let them keep it secret. However even looking at them in the 2010-2013 period tells you what got done and what didn't.