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16 minutes ago, facthunter said:

IF CASA let RAAus go down the drain who will replace them and don't CASA have an ongoing  responsibility to monitor their performance?  I've always  believed the Potential Liability  is too large to be carried by such an organisation. The CASA has the  ULTIMATE responsibility here and I don't believe  they can "conveniently" contract out of it. IF the members are  have a liability beyond the $1 Then THEY should have been made aware of it long ago. Nev

What's CASA got to do with it?

RAA Ltd is a self administering organisation at arm's length from CASA.

Since the members closed down RAA Inc (btw with its PL protection to suite the changes around 1985), we haven't been seeing the Annual agreements from CASA to RAA and the responsibilities spelled out but there are old ones on this site.

It's way too early ($400,000 lawyers' fees divided by 10,000 members is $40.00/member so far) to predict the end, but there's nothing to stop the members making a decision to form a new administering body.

25 minutes ago, jackc said:

Apart from the current investigation, there are another two investigations to run and apparently false information was given in one of those also, so unfortunately it’s not looking very good at RAA , considering there will be civil actions against them as well that have been somewhat detailed already.

Understand that as a result of cover-ups there will probably be NO insurance coverage for RAA,  under the terms and conditions of the PDS which outlines the insurance companies terms and conditions of that  policy. 
Just  imagine if I personally tried to cover up something in an RAA investigation with my own aircraft, and what the results could be from that.

I’m sure. that I would pay a price for it. 
There are sad days ahead……..

There are two potential stages here; what you are talking about  is the Coronial Hearing outcome and from news media I understand this has been referred to the DPP for handling and possible prosecution in which case there will be more legal costs.

The potential second stage is whether there will be a legal claim by the PL Law Firm previously mentioned.

That may involve a lot more legal costs and possible payout, or a Settlement; you are correct.

.......Fred from IGA.

"Uf you luft the nose wheel sux or suvn unchs the mine wull always hut."

and the posts started again, quite a few saying "Been rubbing noses again?"

Thus started a ...........

......rivetting the hoses on instead of using hose clamps.

The argument lasted through 1500 posts, with some arguing that the water leaks out and others arguing who needs it and yet others wanting to know who was going to Old Station again this year and a few quietly asking how to straighten a nose wheel when it .........

........Kim, to stop whining (anothert term describing the envronmental noise of a Rotax), and get on with it.

Kim introduced ground-breaking anti-whining laws and the population.......

5 hours ago, BrendAn said:

I wonder what is going to happen to raaus after this. One person I know is concerned about having a job after casa decides what to do .

There is even talk of something like part 103 coming in. Single seaters fly with full responsibility for themselves un licenesed.  

Would that mean 2 seat go under casa  ?.

No they don't.

Maurice Blackburn are Public Liability lawyers, so I would expect a PL civil case to follow the Coroner's finding. That's the usual process.

......say "How much you offerin' Bro?"

The Vice Chancellor nearly crapped himself, knowing that if the University gave Kim the skills he needed with a BeatingTrump Degree it might become know that  BUGC was a fake, so he .........

....and below that a Bell, and below that Bond University.

It was the latter rather than the former that caused Turbo to regretfully decline the offer of half the profits of the following year.

As we know, Bond University teaches.............

........interested I need to sell a brewing company so I can buy an airship [avref] to

dangle ...............

.....Magna Carta Aviation Chapter.

Surprisingly they were representing that scion from Peppermint Grove, and entertainer at the Freshwater Latte Joint, OT, where there was a tasteless photo up on the wall which in some ways was similar to the Big Fish people stuffed and put on restaurant walls. The Freshwater was a daily breakfast must for Alan Bond and it was said he would be staring at this ............

........fleece the National Health Service with any ailment that meets the category for a Doctor's claim, which is then used to finance Jaguar the Indian Automotive company which competes with Tata.

It was Jaguar or course which recently bought out the rights to Drifter and Thruster which will shortly be supplied out of India as Jaguars.

Hopefully their fuel pumps won't keep failing and ..........

.....leg, or hind leg as the case may be. Turbo was interested in the above diagrammes because on his days of in the Khyber incident as the British Newspapers were allowed to call it, he studied medicine under Mahatma La, and this diagramme was the final exam for the Bachelor of Medicine degree. Some of the bones like the coccyc had different names then, but the British decided to eliminate Indian students from becoming doctors, so they chaged the syllabis to Latin.

It didn't work of course; the Indian students printed their own degrees and these days dominate England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland giving out .........

coxic when the person lands after flying through the air.

Sunday was the day when bull......

 regulations such as not putting your finger into the prop arc to see if it hurt or not impersonationg a CASA FOI just because your don't want any visitors, and on Sundays ......

Explanation: Cappy's eyesight isn't what it used to be; we caught him humping a hollow log recently. Turbo is the one left shoulder, and he had to lead Cappy into position after he was found standing in a daisy pot.

........story when it made headlines around the world made Trump look like the Weeties Boy.

Klaus had been loved by all when he was the European Loans and Corporate Assistance go to in Gland, Switzerland and Turbo often had lunch with him while he was in Gland trying to persuade Ramsar to declare his cat farms Ramsar sites.

"At first he seemed a nice sort of person" said Turbo, "but I noticed that I always had to pay for lunch, and when my change came back he always took it."

"I was warned by the Ramsar Convention Secretary, Steve O'Track, who was an Australian that he was cleaning out the rich and famous on a scale of Trillions of dollars."Adolph 

"As we know, he was born Klaus Schicklegruber in Austria, the nephew of Adolf Schicklegruber who went on to wreck half the world."

bull had been listening intently, because he had been following Klauss's instructions to live your life eating beetles and sending 110% of your income to WEF, and bull ......

12 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

I ticked the box on drivers licence for diabetes. If I could go back and change it I would. The crap I have to go through every year is ridiculous.

My blood sugar averages 6 to 7.  They use to declare diabetes if your sugar was 10 or above.  I don't have any symptoms whatsoever. Thought I would do the right thing but never again.

That's why Self-reported is not a good way to go for a safe industry

14 minutes ago, jackc said:

No one can get minutes of any meetings in print, to see what has gone through any of those meetings, UNLESS they attend the registered  office of the organisation and VIEW any minutes requested. 
 

We could get them in the Incorporated Association days which is why we had a lot more discussions on actual issues which were happening. Not so sure with the arms length limited company, except perhaps attending the AGM as a shareholder and asking a string of questions.

4 hours ago, jackc said:

I would like to be proven wrong?  Given a few occurrences of recent times, concerning legal actions, Coronial Investigations, alleged possible improprieties etc, with potentially disastrous financial outcomes. 

And for this case you're interested in check the Austlii website to see if it's on the site yet, because that will include the decision and details

1 hour ago, jackc said:

The subject says it all, which being a Shareholder in RAAus which involves potential financial liability, that bothers me?

I would like to be proven wrong?  Given a few occurrences of recent times, concerning legal actions, Coronial Investigations, alleged possible improprieties etc, with potentially disastrous financial outcomes.  
This could place me in a financially vulnerable position, personally? IF legal actions go horribly wrong for RAAus, and there is a massive financial claim against  RAAus?  After all Directors Guarantees are financially  exhausted, then shareholders can become financially liable? Under our current RAAus structure? 

Yes, there is insurance but that can become null and void, if impropriety is discovered and I would allege that cover ups to a Coronial Enquiry could form part of that, in one case?  
Yes, conversations with people by phone have made me aware of these possibilities, so therefore I put it to the Forum for comment. 
Any written evidence to the contrary, would help erase any fears about what I have stated above?

 

 

 

Talk to a Public Liability lawyer to see what separations, if any, there might be between the company and you in the scenarios you raise.

".........the currants in these buns over here."

All talk in the room ceased, you could have .............

........concern to the group because Turbinia had a phobia about blowflies.

If she saw one she would spray several cans all over Turbo and Cappy and the usual guests, then call up the crop sprayer and have him spray the district, so there was a bitter taste when eating steaks, drinking wines, brushing teeth and so on for weeks.

If anyone complained they'd get a spray in the face.

There was a new publican in town and .......

...adapt from his somewhat lewd stories about the Bone Mile High Club, to the close knit brother/sister families of Tasmania where the most obvious spectacular story lines are never mentioned, to the Club type Kappoka language, and bull's first story was about another story told by Cappy about the time on the Khyber Pass when another British soldier told the story which started with Corporal Turbo cleaning his shoes .......

1 hour ago, skippydiesel said:

Something that seems to elude you Turbs -

 

All bureaucracies have a vested interest in inflating their own importance. They are effectively in competition with every other department for funding. Our security services are no diffrent in this regard. For this reason alone their commentary, on something like ASIC is suspect (thats if they even care to comment on such an insignificant failed policy.)

Unlike you  ( all knowing person), I can only speculate from a recreational pilots view and an retired employee, of almost 30 years service in a bureaucracy;

• Safety & Security are wonderful vote/funding vehicles, for both politicians and bureaucracies. Unfortunatly they have a significant downside - very hard to pull back/rescind, once enacted, no matter how hysterical, inaccurate, wrong, the initial reason (possibly the best large scale example, in recent history, would be the Iraq War/Weapons of Mass Destruction - killed many thousands, destabilised the Middle East and incentivised  a whole new generation of radicals against the West - top job! ).

 

When it comes to ASIC, AS APPLIED TO SMALL REGIONAL RPT AIRFIELDS, the evidence is well and truly there, for any pilot/ intersted person to see - its complete failure, BUT it continues for the above reasons - its in the too hard basket.😈

 

 

 

I just knew you had to be a bureaucrat Skippy.

Problem is they are not going to tell you what they do or how they do it.

As and example an official rocked up to work one day and asked if I could identify a white truck from a witness description. A crie had been committed and they would normally know which truck they were after but a crucial piece of infrastructure was out of order that day. I mentioned that was looking for a "White Male" but that didn't get me anywhere. As I asked question after question it was clear he wasn't going to give up. I asked to talk to the witness and he told me the witness would likely be killed if that happened. Around the fourth hour I'd whittled it down from 560,000 to about 40,000 and asked him if he was prepared tp have people speak to each person. He said Yes, it was that important. After another couple of hours we got it down to ten and a person to talk to. A couple of weeks later he made the newsmedia standing in front of the truck in a major multi-State arrest.   No one in the area had any idea any of this was happening.