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....................an item, not that he would necessarily welcome the prospect of ........................

8 hours ago, Markdun said:

Jack I don’t disagree.  Some countries have tightened up their borders and quarantine so they can have a longer period, better managed, not so desperate vaccination program, buy vaccines at a lower price and reduce demand so more is available to poorer and more afflicted countries....like NZ, Taiwan, South Korea. Other governments have squandered their country’s geographic isolation, deliberately sabotaged their borders & quarantine, thought nothing about bidding up the price of vaccines (hey, because it’s the public’s’ money not mine who cares what the price is’) and reduced the amount of vaccines available to poorer nations...oh that’s us, Australia.  It’s not just commercial and money, it’s also plain bad and selfish governments. I used to think Morrison just had no moral compass.  I no longer have that view.  He has a moral compass, not  ‘amoral’, but immoral and decidedly evil.

It take me three months to prepare and send a Commonwealth Government Tender. Four months if its a Defence Tender, and a lot of people are involved.

In one case, reasonably similar to the uninvented Covid-19 vaccine task, 200 of us showed up in Townsville for a briefing by about 30 people where there was a requirement to invent a vehicle type to replace another type which had failed in combat overseas. After the briefing we all flew to Melbourne for another analysis of the task by Departmental Staff. The Prime Minister of the day was nowehere to be seen. About three years later a different Prime Minister was driving the first newly invented vehicle off the production line.

That's the way it works, that's how Australia has such reliable continuity.

In the Malcolm Fraser government era, there was a very clear voter mandate on his election that certain out of control unions had to be stopped. Tony Street was the Minister given the task. There was a very smooth slowing down and braking of the Unions back to normal. It was only on Street's retirement that he told us what a "fascinating" job politics was. Bob Hawke, then President of the ACTU and President of the Labor  had been working out of Liberal Tony Street's office and they'd jointly achieved the result.

I posted this a week or so ago:

Total cost of the [Vaccine] Agreements - $8 billion.

On top of this:

1. Australia is spending $350 million supporting vaccine research and development.

2.Australia has supplied vaccines to Papua New Guinea and Pacific Islands.

Source: www.health.gov.au

And there was a list of all the agreements, most signed off by the Department of Health  before the vaccines had been invented.

For anyone sucked up into the fantasy world where an evil Prime Minister of Australia, acting with the benefit of hindsight has stolen vaccines off poor countries and manipulated our population out of the divine path, would probably, if they had the time to waste, obtain under FoI copies of every RFT (Request for Tender), every piece of thousands of pieces of correspondence, every dollar involved, every country involved and every date involved in every decision made, and the names of all the people who made those decisions, because those records are always required to be kept, and are always overseen by other Departments.

Of course! In the burst of inventions during the 1950s you often read the comment in books "Why didn't someone think of that before!" All the dozens of actions entirly routine, easily programmable even to the extent of reacting to routine instructions from the ground if an airport has closed due to weather etc. just like Siri or Google Nest.

.........tried to cover his bare rear as he realised he was sitting in the front yard of DG Catholic Girls College and fiftees girls were standing there satring at him and tittering.

bull wasn't gay, but what Madge had done to him had cured him from any temptation, so he started sliding backwards away from them, his rear starting to bleed on the asphalt. He would gladly give up the remains of his Jackaroo for an old pushbike to get out of DG fast.

"BANGGGGGGGG!!! ........................."

Some people would have noticed that the Biosecurity Plan is based on self-declaration, so there's no point in trying to fool imaginary Inspectors who haven't been doing the rounds for several years. 

There's an outbreak, and a source and the source pays so it's a good idea to, in turn, check incoming contamination.

Pretty much the same a public liability and self administering organisations.

.......n as the skin peeled back. Then it dropped like a rock, out of control. bull's life ushed before his eyes, the bone water tanks, the sh!t beach, the RSL where Madge forced him to leave Queensland, the cute airfield close to town, the garden with all the succulents and no paths, a mango, mud crab for dinner, the oppressive heat, the trip through Victoria where he met educated people for the first time, the respect for women, the knowledge, just a pity none of them could speak English, then the trip to Tasmania, back to uncouth people with a chip on their shoulder.............he was only halfway through the journey when there was a tremendous "THUMP", and through the dust he saw a chicken wearing a red Labor T Shirt and ....................

[For this story Turbo has drawn inspiration from the larger than life fiction out on the main site and a couple of Disney stories.]

50 minutes ago, Thruster88 said:

Wrong thread

 

This was the Flying during Lockdown thread, but smothered by "OO, look over there, there's a squirrel"

Not picking on you ESH but its telling that here we are in Australia, punching way beyond our GDP weight and even further ahead in this pandemic, running a Covid response policy close to the best in the world, drawing comments from diverse area like Japan, UK and USA that "That's what we should have done" and conducting a political spit session on a thread that should be sharing the latest on the Covid situation and how that will affect our return to flying.

I mentioned Biosecurity as a reason permission is required on private land, then realised I was right in the middle of it, and I don't let anyone on the land where production takes place - total separation.

More than 23,0000 beef, dairy and sheep farms in Victoria are now bound by Biosecurity requirements to ensure that microscopic size animal or plant matter can't carry diseases around the country.

My property would take a Savannah, but the answer would have to be "No" because an outbreak brought in on the wheels, dropped from spats or under fuse, in dust from the floor or carried by the boots/shoes and clothes could stop me selling sheep.

Here's a good explanation of when these changes came in and why and how they are managed.

WH01587

Update: September 6, 2021

Overview

https://www.farmbiosecurity.com.au/essentials-toolkit/people-vehicles-equipment/

(Click on the Tony Cooke YouTube Video for a good short explanation.)

I conduct extensive grazing of sheep.

Before I could start, the property fences had to be inspected by an officer of Department of Environment Land and Water to ensure they provided adequate Biosecurity.

The property was then given a Property Identification Code (PIC)

Every sheep born is required to be fitted with an electronic tag identifying this PIC and its birth year.

I had to obtain Accreditation for the required standard of Animal Husbandry and Biosecurity.

Biosecurity was included in LPA Accreditation October 1, 2017.

An online declaration form has to be on the Meat & Livestock database for any sheep which leaves the property. The declaration must include any stops and the destination and the identity of the receiver and my Accreditation.

It’s normal for the client’s phone to beep with an MLA copy of the transaction, so he can show it to any Livestock Officer or Police Officer on the way home.

If I breach Biosecurity regulations, I lose my Accreditation. Without my Accreditation I can’t sell sheep.

Each PIC must have a formal, documented Biosecurity Plan.

Livestock producers must implement on-farm biosecurity systems.

Item 2 of the Plan says:

“Where reasonable and practical, control people, equipment and vehicles entering the property, thus minimising the potential for property contamination and, if possible, keep a record of such movements.”

About Farm Biosecurity

https://www.farmbiosecurity.com.au/about/

https://www.integritysystems.com.au/on-farm-assurance/Biosecurity/

6 hours ago, onetrack said:

We have only one thing to be concerned about - the vaccines appear to lose a degree of effectiveness over a period of several months post-vaccination - which may mean another booster shot will be needed.

 

Australia has already started to order the booster shot programme (see my post on the Covid thread which shows suppliers and numbers.)

Just now, skippydiesel said:

Turbs; You are "drawing a very long bow". I have worked in both intensive and extensive agriculture all my life - pissing in/on a paddock/grass strip, is unlikely to be a breach of biosecurity.

 

Most biosecurity relates to intensive agriculture - you are unlikely to try & land in a piggery, chook shed or animal feed lot. There are some cropping activities that are a bit sensitive but again the chances of you choosing to land on an irrigated paddock (bogging/obstructions) are pretty slim.

Of course we are not talking about intensive animal husbandry.

4 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Not usually an issue of broad acre, low intensity farming.

Really, the cattle become different in your designation? And you can tell that from the air?

41 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Adding to soil fertility

Actually no; Breach of Biosecurity which could be very costly since the property owner can be disqualified from selling his stock, so you want to be careful being flippant around stock owners, they have to work hard for their Compliance.

......their owner mooning him from the airfield.

Terrified at the sight, bull gave the Scout full throttle, not realising he was supposed to be landing backwards. With that horrible image staring back at him he lost his presence of mind, and froze when it stayed in frame. He had reach equilibrium with the wind. He looked around at the horizon, but it was STILL there and he wasn't any closer to landing. He ............

Following a couple of odd comments earlier this week that seemed to be at odds with the current Melbourne Lockdown and our strictest so far, I thought I'd check out what was alleged to be happening myself and had a few quick looks during the school day on Flightaware.

It wasn't a good start; someone I knew, a Grade A moron who was prone to smacking cops and just did what he wanted to do had taken off from Moorabbin and flew around for a while, and there were about four or five aircraft flying under exemptions which allow them to Graduate from their course, but no one else - zero, except for some commercial flights.

29 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

Scomo was fired from the last 2 marketing jobs he had. After being fired from the first he went back into politics for 2 years, had another go & was fired again.

That's nothing, Albo was in charge of CASA.

4 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Turbs me old mate - It would seem that you generally accept the propaganda that is being served up to you by politician's & media. My evidence for this is your persistence in the idea that the management of our pandemic is without political interference/modification. I on the other hand take a far more cynical view.

Well you would be wrong; if anything I question what is happening and why more than most and probably through more channels than most, but I know I research more than you or you wouldn't have said that. Admittedly I've only seen two stories from the journalists which explained how things are working which would have allowed you to sleep better. We all should question what we see or hear rather than perch on dogma sticks.

4 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

 

Take quarantine/lockdown as a topical case ;

 

Quarantine is simple in concept – absolutely no movement of the infected person/population & potentially infected (Lockdown!). The faster, comprehensive & strictly enforced the Lockdown; the quicker spread is contained and the shorter will be the Lockdown period. The few days – 3 weeks, would be far better tolerated by the people and business, than what we have now.  Gross mismanagement? or  Deliberate policy?

 

Neither; the States have learned from each other, and most of them are importing one or two cases of Covid per day from the people who are allowed to fly in from overseas, and that includes Qld and WA. That means we are committed to every strain or mutation that's going around the northern hemisphere. The early failure points have been fixed, including for the Delta strain to the point where we were able to welcome traumatised Afghans into a 4/5 star welcome instead of Nissen Huts.

The isolation period appears to be ending after the 13th day test, so 14 days from the first day of infection.

Victoria's trigger for a lockdown is when the number of known cases reaches the point where, if the wave played out full hospital capacity would be reached, so we don't lock down on the first case because they are isolating. We them have x cases isolating, plus x new cases entering the contact tracing phase in a browing bubble until we get the early ones coming off the active case list, and at a certain point, even though we have active cases in isolation there are no new cases presenting, so Covid is out of the community. It's a rolling numbers thing, so the bigger and more sustained the numbers are the longer the lockdown has to ask. Your Chairman Dan doesn't wake up one morning and say "Just for a bit of variety I'll lock you all down for an extra 4 weeks this time" the decision is made by a lot of people crunching a lot of numbers. This year the cases are coming from Community transmission - that's all the party goers, anti vaxx mothers, and community groups struggling with the fine points of the language. The Victorian Commander came up with some novel approaches which has seen some of Victoria's clusters dry up quickly to the point where Victoria may still be able to shut down this wave. NSW right now are using some of those novel approaches, and that it neither gross mismanagement or political policy, just people doing their work like we all do.

4 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

In this modern era, perhaps not quit so simple to implement – our complicated lives/dependencies require “essential” workers/services continue – this then leads to the potential for disease leakage. Unavoidable but predictable and importantly manageable, with the right attitude/policies strictly implemented. Gross mismanagement? or Deliberate policy?

 

Neither; you only have to look at Australia's success with the GDP, which countries like USA and UK would kill for to know that by luck or good measure the essential worker classification worked, but the Delta strain has produced some infections with both interestate commerce and construction work. Victoria has tightened some aspects where workers were congregating etc. Given that a political policy of infecting workers would see them at home and possibly dying you probably would have heard from the Unions right now, but they've tended to get messages to the workers to wear masks, get vaccinated etc - things that will keep the woorkers working and the projects going.

4 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Our leaders have had nearly 2 years of, our own and World, experience in the management of the pandemic, to refine/improve their management. We are basically back at Flatten the Curve (a hysteria driven response), which may be applicable to, multi nation, continental land mases where  border porosity (to virus transmission) is a reality. This is demonstrably at odds with island nations (us) where Zero Community Transmission is a viable alternative allowing a considered managed (epidemiological) transition of the population to immunity through vaccination. The latter, being  far less costly both in social and economic terms but may be politically difficult (transient hard/unpopular decision may need to be implemented)

I work in the automotive and transport industries which have own and world experience of over a hundred years and I can point you to many who are screwing up as we speak and others who are pulling off masterstrokes right now. On Melbourne dealer is selling at 56% over budget for example. The States and the Commonwealth were dealing with Covid-19 and are now without any real warning dealing with the Delta strain which is exploding in a new, less linear way but even with the things which have gone wrong, are one of the world leaders right now in protecting their populations; why would we be critical of that?

5 minutes ago, APenNameAndThatA said:

If the strip is unserviceable, you might have  undercarriage-violently-removed trouble. 

.....and your passenger might have just had his back broken in the process and told you he was going to sue you for $12 million.

You could have replied: "Sorry old son, but I adhered to the advice of CAAP 92-1-(1) and contacted the owner who failed to advise be of a reasonable forseeable risk - a set of his harrows - covered by grass in the middle of the strip, so you're on a winner if you sue him."

But you didn't do that, so you have to say "..............................."

...........-40, -60, -90 or whatever the case may be.

bull, being a very astute Ultralight Flyer with years of experience without harming a hair on his head (a convenient way of not having to mentioned 16 broken arms, five broken legs, six broken ass bones, resulting in a walk like a mud crab), had subscribed to "Turbo's family-friendly lessons on how to fly an Ultralight (available in braille)", and was usually first to arrive at any fly in, because he picked the ones that were (a) downwind and (b) when a gale was blowing and simply took off into wind and let God's Angels carry him to the fly in.

Not surprisingly God's Angels P!!ssed off just as he had to land, when he was looking back over his shoulder, but the Scout made the fly ins when the plastic blobs couldn't cut the mustard and that gave bull a reputation like .................

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

 

·         CV19 has moved from being a largely heath response/matter, modified by political expediency, to an almost wholly political matter.

I don't think so because the population in immense volume has swung behind the policy of saving their lives, the strongest motivator of all. I haven't seen a poll but my gut feel is that survival group could be as high as 90%. Things could change but currently the message to the politicians is that those who backed the health response will be re-elected with an increased majority at the next elections. So there's no motivation to cancel the States of Emergency and take the reins.

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

·         Big business wants Australia open NOW! Never mind the cost in lives lost/spent in ill health.

Not all big business, because our economy has been operating well above what it should have been doing and our unemployment rate is spectacularly low.

However the big businesses who aren't part of that are making up for that by sqiealing and lying through their PR machines, and muddying the water.

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

·         Scomo is on side with this, as is his puppy “Pandemic Gladys”.

I'd suggest Scomo is realistic enough to know that if we did open up and thousands died, the majority would never forgive him, but at the same time we are all so used to travelling for business and holidays that we all want to open up without losing anyone in our family.  Given that Gladys is alleged to have said he was a bully, but has denied it, I'd say she's not his puppy any more and is too busy on the NSW wave, which could cost her government since we are so fickle and your epithet confirms that.

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

·         Pandemic Gladys is facilitating this by ensuing Delta gets out.

At this point, contact tracing has told us who let Delta out; in fact the names of every single person would be known, and none of them include Gladys. Also the differing reasons all these people did what they did are known and the Department is taking action to stop some of those reasons.

Just so you know, the Victorian Premier said we would have sent our Victorian Contact tracing team to NSW to help them bring the NSW break out under control, if we hadn't had the breakout in Victoria, 

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

·         The current focus on the vaccine miracle, delivered by Saint Scomo, will take us up to/past the next Federal election –putting Scomo in a good position to be re-elected.

I posted the facts on the vaccine rollout a few days ago. Labor led by your hero Albo have campaigned heavily to suppress the fact that vaccination was our No2 strategy not No1 like USA, UK and many other countries who now wish they'd adopted contact tracing like us. What I posted showed who we had backed financially to invent a vaccine, who we'd ordered from and when, when the rollout started, why the 51 million does order was cancelled (because it would have been illegal to use a vaccine which produced HIV), and what had been coming on stream. At the end of all the hype it looks as if our No 2 strategy will, from a March rollout start, conclude two months later than expected.

The next Federal election is far enough away that future events could still cause a change in government. Plenty of time for the population to swing as they always have.

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

·         The voting public will realise too late, the currently available vaccines, will not be the miracle, that will return us/society or are economy to its former good health. 

The overseas experience is already showing our health departments that vaccines alone leave a politically unacceptable trail of deaths, particularly with the mutation history of this virus which could easily mutate further, requiring new vaccines, so my bet is we'll see overseas countries picking up our social distancing strategy. Whe you look at the top countries in the world for performance on Covid-19, five or six with zero deaths, it's no surprise that they are from the African continent where people have learnt by bitter experience to stay distant to stop a pandemic.

In the post I made during the week, if you watched the full 1 hour and 54 minutes, you would have seen how the strategy of Victoria is already changing to adapt to the duel policy, accepting that we need to open up, but making it a safer opeining than, say UK.

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

·         The opposition parties are largely mute – they know what’s going on but fear that the voters, desperate for relief, will react against any dissenting commentary/opinion. Should events move in their favour (CV10 disaster) they will still be there to pick up the pieces (win).

That's the smartest policy under a State of Emergency, given they would be opposing the policy of the Health command system designed to fix the pandemic. The Westminster system requires them to oppose the government during the legislative process with day to day bills and government business and most appear to be doing that, letting the health departments do their job. The exception to that is the Victorian Liberal party which has imploded, apparently wanting to sack their leader for not being agressive enough.

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

·         Pressure (infection or threat thereof, curtesy Gladys) is being applied to State leaders, to fall in line behind the Federal plan, to open up, no matter their CV status.

To save Qantas etc that would be the solution, and no doubt there's pressure to keep the economy running because we could slip into a recession if we are closed down too long, even if the people locked down and needing survival money are being paid. The unexpected virus spreads in NSW and Vic have made that a good possibility, however the controlled status of all the other States and Territories is keeping them domestically intact.  When the populations of NSW and Victoria wake up to this policy leaving a trail of death, albeit within the unvaccinated rabble, there will be a major reaction, and when the "clean" States get a breakout caused by just a minute few people, as per the NSW and Vic latest ones, that Commonwealth idea might vary. Same if the virus mutates abd jumps the vaccines.

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

·         Quarantine/Lockdowns will continue, in response to CV19 flair up/hot spots/clusters, hopefully not as devastating in their scope and failure, as this one.

What Victoria seems to be doing is vaccinating as far as they can go - to all the people except those who refuse to be vaccinated. (there's also a small group who cannot be vaccinated and have to be protected somewhow), Their target is to reach a point where a new wave can only affect the unvaccinated and even if every one of them was infected the numbers couldn't exceed our ICU/Ventilator Capacity.

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

·         In short, our leaders are, once again, tricking us into accepting the “absolute necessity”, of going into an unnecessarily dangerous & costly situation – sound familiar?

7 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

My view;

·         CV19 has moved from being a largely heath response/matter, modified by political expediency, to an almost wholly political matter.

·         Big business wants Australia open NOW! Never mind the cost in lives lost/spent in ill health.

·         Scomo is on side with this, as is his puppy “Pandemic Gladys”.

·         Pandemic Gladys is facilitating this by ensuing Delta gets out.

·         The current focus on the vaccine miracle, delivered by Saint Scomo, will take us up to/past the next Federal election –putting Scomo in a good position to be re-elected.

·         The voting public will realise too late, the currently available vaccines, will not be the miracle, that will return us/society or are economy to its former good health.  The election will have passed and a new rhetoric/spiel will take over.

·         The opposition parties are largely mute – they know what’s going on but fear that the voters, desperate for relief, will react against any dissenting commentary/opinion. Should events move in their favour (CV10 disaster) they will still be there to pick up the pieces (win).

·         Pressure (infection or threat thereof, curtesy Gladys) is being applied to State leaders, to fall in line behind the Federal plan, to open up, no matter their CV status.

·         Unfortunately, on reaching the mystical 80% (of what?) vaccination, should we open up our State & International borders, there will be very little chance of reversing the damage. By then we may all have had the vaccine, contracted Covid/recovered/long CV or died, so perhaps this is a moot point.

·         Quarantine/Lockdowns will continue, in response to CV19 flair up/hot spots/clusters, hopefully not as devastating in their scope and failure, as this one.

·         In short, our leaders are, once again, tricking us into accepting the “absolute necessity”, of going into an unnecessarily dangerous & costly situation – sound familiar?

Apart from that, why aren't you taking orders hand over fist for those beautiful little aircraft Skippy, electronic selling is going gang busters. One of the people who delivers restaurant meals to our front doors down here has just paide $147 million for a new house in Melbourne.

.....to let someone else fly him there.

Not many people know that after a brush with BARIC, you pine for a chance to return tho CASA. In this case bull had bought the Scout from a retired peasant in Cyprus sight unseen and the large lettering came as a surprise. There were no numbers; BARIC didn't care who owned it or who flew it, they just nobbled the person flying it at the time.

It had been a great aircaft, economical to run, and even though the cruise speed was 40 knots, it would still get you there if you were patient or didn't have a head wind of 40 knots, which quite often ...............

....purple was the colour of the Bone Stonefishes, the local footy team in bone, where tey painted the main pub purple, and thye RSL bar purple, and the taxi purple, and the cop car purple (although that had to be repainted after a Commissioner from the South came up and blew his stack. So the 9 hp Ronaldson Tippett was ordered, and arrived on The Princess in Devonport. bull sensed he might have made a mistake when he noticed the Princess riding low at the stern, and sure enough......................

34 minutes ago, Flightrite said:

Well said KR but sadly many just don't get it! People will fight back against the tyranny especially now grubby Andrews is heading up the class division & discrimination in this state, something that I thought I would never see in my life time in modern Australia!

Well he's certainly aimed his cannon at you; no footy tickets, no pub entry, and a long list of prohibitions to come.

......wanted to get rid of that fabric for months. The possums had nested in it and left a big brown stain and the baric had started to rot. Now that Cappy had split it, bull knew he'd be able to stick cappy for new fabric.

Cappy was a good sport about it, too good in the opinion of Turbo who just knew there would be a double cross, and sure enough when the new fabric returned it was a beautiful gold, but in triple weight Marine Canvas with thread that looked like flax. It was so heavy that the best the Scout would ever do was taxy.

Cappy smile at bull, who realised too late he'd been .....

3 minutes ago, jackc said:

The regional areas were only infected because of escapees from the concrete wastelands

Good,  we've finally managed to get that through.