turboplanner

".... it's not an onion, it's an oneun" said Cointreau who knew a thing about oneuns.

"It is" said Nana disgustedly, wondering how a Frenchman could be contradicting her in an Australian conversation, even though he might be having a conversation from Paree while in fact being and Australian referring to a French vegetable.

Andy scoffed and said "However............

But in fact Turbo had beaten the Rat up the drain pipe and was sitting there bemused, after being battered by a serial trash peddler beating down anyone's opinion which disagreed with his over FOURTEEN almost continuous posts only to receive sympathy and advice to the other posters that "everyone is entitled to his opinions"

"I'm of the opinion that that opinion, in my opinion could change the opinion of opinions" said Nobu, in perfect English, "and....................."

The critical point here is that board members rubber stamped it without taking it to the members for discussion.

In doing that they missed out on a lot of technical and administrative knowledge which may well have said "Don't go near this, the administrative complexities and costs make it a loser"

This meeting is one avenue to put an end to the type of Executive and board secrecy which caused what appears to be one of the blunders of the decade.

Not necessarily.It may well be the upper limit of what the engine could take due to the heavier reciprocating masses involved, when combined with the limits of metallurgy/technology of the rest of the structure of the engine. You could probably get more out of the engine but you would need to add weight in the fixed parts of the engine to strengthen it.

 

A more realistic measure would be how many thousand hours per hp per kg engine weight (apologies for the mix of measurements)

 

A very good example of what I am referring to would be drag car engines. Light weight, powerful (high hp/litre), BUT need an overhaul after about 10 minutes at full throttle (20 runs), and only last less than 2 hrs before being disposed of (if they haven't spectacularly scattered their parts to the earth by then).

 

Motorbike engines tend to be towards this end of the reliability scale, rather than the ability to go for thousands of hours like aircraft engines (and diesels). Something has to give in the big equations....

Long distance trucks, which need a life cycle to in-frame rebuild time of around 10,000 hours weigh a little over a tonne and cruise at around 1.100 rpm these days.

Increasing power from standard is going the wrong way for aircraft if you don't want constant forced landings.

Have a look on Amazon for some books OK. (Newer ones)

As Facthunter has said there's a lot of new knowledge around.

One base principle I've used in the transport industry with multi million dollar success is reducing frontal area, since air resistance is exponential with speed, and streamlining what's left has a much smaller effect.

Unless there is a seriously big accident involving RAA I'm sure it will be business as usual. Pollies want votes.

I'd give it one more Ferris Wheel.

Don't forget they know this flying is just for fun, they know there would not be a serious unemployment issue if they fixed it by:

"As a result of continuing fatalities due to marginal and non-safe flying activities, including low flying bet ups of populated areas, caravans and airfields the Government has decided to act to minimise the risk of a major catastrophe and will be requiring all forms of Recreational Aviation to operate under the strict controls of the Department of Infrastructure and Transport.

"This will not impact on safe, responsible recreational flying standards, but will simply involve the same safety controls established for recreational boating and motoring"

How would you like something like that?

What you are saying is quite correct Steve, but the failures haven't been limited to these points, or in some proven cases, amateur assembly.

I certainly would not use nuts that only seated on the base of the bolt thread, not the tang, but some failures don't even point to that.

The material and diameter seems OK.

It looks, without metallurgy testing as if something well above compression force is occuring.

Some of us thought of carb ice chunks, others manifold design, others detonation etc.

Unless someone is prepared to administer a piece of 4x2, I'd give it away guys, there's not even a flicker of understanding.

Wise words Facthunter, there's a whole orchestra fiddling here with smoke on the horizon.

"...........showing Turbo the sites (sp.) of Wagga Wagga."

"You two should be bitch slapped" said Mavis, stroking her Jabi "And what's more........."

Sprite is right ©

Members have to step back and take a strategic view on this.

If a flying school goes belly up that means that all the members in its catchment (and that can mean up to three or four hours radius are without access to training, bfr's and supervisory influence.

By contrast, the members fly for recreation so there's no financial penalty on them

CASA doesn't run Aviation in Australia; it is an Authority which can be closed down, changed or duplicated almost instantly, plans or no plans

We have a bit of thread drift.I presume it's because we have no consensus on AUF Mk2. A pity because if CASA marches into the RAA and takes over, invited or not, short term or long term, then we need some sort of arrangement to support/preserve our hard won flying entitlements/benefits. I'm just a little concerned that the rag and tube flyers will be further marginalised. I have no doubt CASA could do a reasonable job of administering the plastic fantasic end. I'm making a big assumption that CASA will get involved, which of course may not happen given the outcome of the February meeting. Still, you should always plan.

 

Cheers

 

Steve

The most likely outcome from the slightest slip up will be that you will not control your sport.

There are bigger eyes on this than most people think.

....don't bitch slap like Mavis who goes off at................

It gripes me that Gavin's missals include the phrase "My WA members requested that I put the motion...." Let me say that while some WA members may have requested this questionable (under the circumstances) move, certainly not all are supportive of it!! In fact, when canvassed by Gavin in the days prior to it's circulation, myself and at least one other of his former supporters warned him that it could only lead to more charges of attempting to gag the meeting and further muddy the waters. Having bogged on regardless, his subsequent communications should also state that he is not following the wishes of some of his constituents. In the days since his broadcast request for proxys I have spoken to three WA members who responded as requested and who later expressed regret that they weren't aware of the multiple reasons for the petition for the GM by concerned RAA members last Nov. So, for what it's worth, there will be a sizeable content of ignorance in whatever block of proxys are carried by the WA Rep to the meeting. Mind you, the responsibility for that rests with those who were yarded up like sheep assuming all was right in Canberra. Riled up Riley

And Jim you would need a formal motion or statement of disagreement with the other board members on the record to be safe. What has been uncovered over the past months is well beyond a slight difference of opinion.

....bitch srapped out. "Jabiroos are...." he said, but received an immediate bitch slap from Mavis, who said "............................"

....bitch slapped him, so I should be in with a chance to.....

Well the next tough man Gavin may see is the ACT Attorney General.

It would seem, unless some board members have disowned this email stream, that all have decided to take the risk of breaching the RAA Constitution, but I'd be surprisedf if they've considered the personal consequences of their actions.

..... as Plain Drivel had found again and again.

he was a greenie, normally found up a tree with a chain round his neck.

Even on extreme bushfire days he stuck to his principles, and on one occasion a bushfire had engulfed several square hectares, and although the Drivel's tree was in the middle of it, it was mysteriously untouched.

But he paid a price.

He fingernails and toe nails had adapted to climbing trees, becoming pointed, like a koala's

And his skin became blotchy and a pale yellow, like a ghost gum.

Thinking the blue pills migh change his complexion to human, he found that instead.................

Barb Grinder

In your twin engine fence scraper?

Refer #153

Nine days to go and there is no Agenda (other than the hidden Agendas), no formal list of concerns for people to get their minds around and vote on, no target list of outcomes, no strategy, no plans on who will raise what, no anticipation and reaction plan for a repeat of the AGM etc.

Better get a move on if you want to achieve something; there will be other times for the grand plans and policies.

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people if after spending a heap of travel and accommodation money everyone just stands around hoping someone else will say something or be able to cope with the answers, raise necessary points of order etc.

All the best with it, hope you get a great price, have been up there and the surroundings are magnificent

Post #101

ATSB are not likely to be spending money on an RA aircraft that just tumbled end over end.