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It's also very offensive.

LOL, who do I send the bill to.

There are many hours of study and probably few laughs before anything meaningful conclusions for future use.

Don't expect anything for a month or two.

....eating the Rat's minties.

Following my FoI request to CASA on November 30 last year, I've just received 208 documents.

Naturally personal details are blanked out.

The audit reports are dated:

21/12/11

8/5/12

17/8/12

30/11/12

At this stage it appears to me to be short of some critical information, so I'll need to study it in some detail.

No, the severe penalties of the Privacy Act.

FV, I'm not sure that because Dept Justice provided documents for a fee they became public documents.

If that was the case they could just make them searchable on the web, but they don't

What if the board decides to all resign under the pressure [and I think you can do this]. what are the possibilities then?CASA is not going to run it. maybe the SAAA, {do you want that?]...Just have a contingency plan. Instead of a kill policy.

My last words

You'll also read the growth of very strong Member support for these people.

Peculiar attitude for one of the people whose livelihood is very much at the front of the present crisis.

A series of alleged breaches which have come to light over the past couple of years, and perhaps before that needs to be itemised, documented, and decisions made on whether to request prosecution of a number of people.

If anyone else has received one of these please speak up... This is VERY serious if OUR money was used to do this.

It's sad.. No one seems to be held responsible for their performance.. or lack of...regards keith

The people who should have been holding them responsible are the Members

They could do that by voting out any board members who was not representing their interests effectively.

One of the key issues is why we didn't do it.

One reason for that was the culture of secrecy used by some board members to keep things from the members; so some information just didn't get to the members.

Some information, based on John McKeowns post today, apparently did, but was not presented well enough/understood/ or recognised for its seriousness.

And some members, not understanding what the issues were, deliberately gagged any discussion and sowed doubts about the members expressing concerns.

And virtually all the debates have taken place electronically in the forum environment which is hopeless for flowing debate, fracturing it into multiple threads, not closing off issues and moving forward, and providing avenues for some sickos to use the discussion for entertainment.

However, a lot more members are a lot more aware of the issues and in a lot better position to do something about them.

So Keith, while I think things might get worse before they get better I have quite a positive outlook for RAA.

I agree with you Andy.

I can accept that some members are not computer literate.

I can accept that some members have difficulty concentrating on reading long documents

I can accept that forums are dogs breakfasts of posts with hopeless indexing.

But none of that excuses a naked attack on the very people who are trying to protect members freedoms, interests and finances.

And as you say Andy, some of these people have donated thousands of dollars on behalf of their fellow aviators.

Why have wages to RAA staff blown out from $508,729 in 2008 to $1,075,708 in 2012 over 5 years years or by over 111% and in this tough economic times?

You're getting these levels of pay increases are you?

Do the accounts show where that money actually went?

That by the way is YOUR money.

The message from Paul Middleton should be an abject lesson to you that you are dealing with clever people here.

In attempting to give the board members natural justice when requesting the February 9 Meeting, in not including something like "extreme dissatisfaction with board members" your words have been able to be broadcast to thousands of members who are out of the communications loop, all but implying that this meeting is actually what the board members wanted.

Many of these people will have the lemming philosophy that "we elected them so we should support them" and could produce enough proxies to neutralise the meeting.

Most motorbike motors are only used at the very low end of the hp range (circa 5-10%? on acceleration) for very short periods of time before effectively "idling" in terms of potential power output. Simple maths of power requirements to keep a 100kg rider on a 250 kg bike at 100 km/h including a drag factor of say 0.4 would give you a rough idea. This is clearly evidenced by the 250-350 km/h most modern bikes are capable versus the pottering around at 100km (or as in your assumption, 70 km/h average). Quite literally it is a very lightly loaded scenario. Note that a 1.5t car takes about 15kw to keep it going at approx 100km/h, and a bike has a hell of a lot less weight and frontal area to push through the air.Compare that with an aircraft engine that is rarely used below 80% of full power...

 

If you subjected the M/C engine to the same test standard as an aircraft engine I think you would see the reliability and effective "TBO" reduced significantly.

I just guessed the height and width of a motor cycle, and at this frontal area, your figure for power demand at 100 km/hr is roughly the same, but the demand is exponential with speed.

So at 140 km/hr or 76 knots air resistance power has jumped to 37 kW - or nearly three times the power demand

100 knots is 185 km/hr so power demand is much more again

67 knots is still 124 km/hr, requiring nearly twice the power demand

However, that's only the power demand to overcome wind resistance.

To this power demand you have to add things like alternator, mechanical efficiency, rolling resistance etc. which all take their piece of available power.

So depending on the desired cruise speed, a motor bike engine could have to contend with quite a large power demand in an aircraft.

What saves the motor cycle's engine on the ground is that power demand is usually intermittent with the engine backing off through the gears and for speed restrictions.

Aircraft use is a constant speed demand application, so there is no relief for the engine like there is on a motor cycle. Under those circumstances one of the design issues is to ensure the aircraft application does not exceed what the engine can live with at a constant, heavy load.

Volksy, this particular crash was discussed with some valuable conclusions in its own thread, which contains a lot more fact than I've read here.

This thread is about an alternative body to manage affairs, particularly of Rag and Tube Aircraft.

The Morgan Sierra is not one of those, but the incident (see the real thread) has a publicity effect.

Beware of several people over the last few months hijacking threads to blur the immediate issues which need to be fixed now.

A lot of whistling past the graveyard going on here.

I know what some of the politicians know, and it isn't limited to cardboard cutouts of aeroplanes, it involves the names of individuals, the makes and models of aircraft and the satisfactory level of legislation or otherwise.

If you fall for the popular image of politicians as portrayed by GG, take a few mintutes to go onto a Parliamentary Website (Federal or State) and look at the running schedule of their workload, and the massive variety of subjects they have to study and absorb.

Watching "Yes Minister" may be entertaining, but these guys are usually intelligent, observant, and pragmatic (which means that just because nothing has happened, or might happen next month, or even in the next year does not mean that these people are all sitting around taking bets on the size of women's knockers).

The message that I'm getting, and these people would be getting from these posts is that cowboy activity is the way to go.

Turbo in all modesty had asked Placenames Victoria not to divulge the honour given to him for helping a poor pensioner lady push her Monaro up over the said hill in order to get food home for her starving children, and in fact the name "Lockup" was established as a result of the said Locksley going to town every Saturday night, and having so much influence on the town's population whether they be male, female or anyone else who didn't get out of his way.

Yes, Nev, advances in robotic technology is one of the greatest successes of the 21st Century.

You can lose a sock, but a nut comes loose.

,,,,,so he stepped on the throat of the first instructor he saw, which happened to be Mavis, and said ".............................."

..........and they all looked up to the sky and saw a flash of gold.

Was that an epaulette, or was it.......................

Brainfade moment

.......but it had failed to self destruct like many little piles around Dandenong attributed to Salty, rightly or wrongly, but...............

......the telescopes and Security cameras fitted to every corner of every paddock were trained on Mr Scoffs.

"What can he have found out about Turbo's Cassowary stories, now suppressed voluntarily by Turbo in deference to his dear friend Rattus?

The fact that ASIO paid a visit and explained what Julia wanted, Turbo had just laughed off.

"Could Turbo have let something slip which caught Scoffs reptilian eye?"

He hoped he would never be forced to tell the story of the Queensland trek to discover Le Rat's ancestry, but you never know when another troll is going to descend on Recflying to move people's thoughts away from the central issues which were.........

Frank, it's not a Company, with a Board of Directors.

The term Board adopted probably by some early egotists, has caused untold damage to RAA.

I agree getting 10,000 people to agree to something is not practical, but that's not what I'm saying.

Circulating a major change from routine operations, such as LSA, with it's potential to almost implode the Association should have been done, at the very least to let members know and react, and perhaps should have been a referendum.

Not all members get fired up enough to want to vote, but all members who think they are severely affected usually will.