turboplanner

Silly as this might sound FT, you can probably leave it up to them to decide how they want to post, and qualify participants

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: He leadeth me beside the still waters.

Keep going Ian - we all shall surely follow

Sounds good Gangnam

I could look at getting some development done, will cost money though, to enable permissions where a user can create a thread in an Instructors forum and ONLY the Instructors and the person creating the thread can view the thread and its posts.PLEASE remember that this site should NOT be a substitute for your own Instructor but rather as a 2nd opinion or if you don't have access to an Instructor or for information before going to your own Instructor

Not much point coming up with dream concepts when the real thing is coming towards you like a freight train out of a tunnel ready to destroy our future.

Interesting that as much as many people are critical of the executive and board members for failing the audits, most posts here are echoing their lack of action, and denial.

The problem is very real, and it is not going away without some serious heavy work.

Ozzie, maybe you should be saying something after all.

I don't know FD, seems to me like you were trying for some humour, and it was a lot better than some that I see; if you think funny it has to be good for your mood.

Who dreams this stuff up? There's some seriously twisted peeps in this world!

Attachment didn't work, have another go FD

The emergency landing procedure I was trained with specifically stated to fly the site several times prior to landing to look for obstructions. I wonder how these guys missed seeing the power poles?

What you are referring to is called a Precautionary Landing, and can be carried out when weather is stable - say a lowered ceiling but visibility in all directions. There is evidence to say they were hovering around (not the helicopter sense of the word btw), but the weather in Victoria yesterday was broken cloud at times right down to the ground, so they may well have been caught between two walls of cloud where they only had time for a quick look and then had to do a forced landing.

TurbsDoes this mean the rules are set by CASA and not RAA - Andy@Coffs suggested I go straight to Lee Ungerman, starting to look like the case

puddles

Guys, it may have escaped you, but nothing about the four CASA audit failures was resolved at the recent General Meeting, just a mexican stand off with one group having collected more votes than another.

What is still hanging over our heads is the cost of the four audit results to date, and no guarantee, given the gentle and slow effort to meet compliance, that a fifth audit might not put a rocket into the scene which will affect pilots, owners and importers even more severely.

Under those circumstances making up your own version of what an LSA is, could do more harm than good.

What counts is what CASA thinks it is, and what the rules are, and it's obvious from this thread that CASA needs to tighten the reins even more, so let's not encourage that by posting more ambiguity.

A lot of engineering speculation here since the aircraft momentum into a very compressed object - a cable - would have resulted in a massive, narrowly targeting force given it was hit at full flying speed. In other words regardless of one aircraft design vs another - you take a hit like this and land uninjured on the ground, and you can be thankful for whatever engineering method was used.

Expected results possibly could be calculated if the angles of the aircraft and cable etc were known.

Some would post the same incorrect garbage they've been posting, because they don't know they don't know, and we would be locked out, with the only recourse being to start corrective threads of our own, and wouldn't that become a mess.

Better for them to have the resource in the name of improvement, and the good instructors be able to belt the wallys in private - the aim should not be to have a freak show, but be able to have safer flying.

It could well be though that as a group they may zero in on some of our bad habits and start open threads, and that would be good.

If you did do a loop and were flying into a head wind, you would have to recalculate your ETA by adding the time it took to complete the loop plus of course the additional time taken to make up for the distance from your starting point to your new position after the loop which would be further behind due to the head wind pushing you backwards. .You might also topple your gyros which could ruin your sex life.

Alan.

Those who have flown the V115 know that this is calculated automatically, and the gyros never tumble.

Turbo continued the long haul north, his R M Williams boots finally giving out at Dingo Beach, which Queenslanders had named after the huge possum colony.

Resourcefully he shopped around and bought the best footwear available, a pair of Bullabong thongs, made in Bangladesh.

This was sugar cane country, with only a few kilometres to Bone, where he thought he might be able to meet bull, and maybe even get a ride in the tyrojacketcricket.

His first view of bone was of derelict buildings and rubbish beside the road; it was so bad the Council had painted a scene from Kakadu in the hope that motorists wouldn’t notice the deception.

As he continued it got worse – Hookers were openly advertising their wares on billboards; he wondered if they had any teeth, but in the distance, on a hill, he noticed a familiar sign – “Hollywood”

But no, it was “bonewood”, and Turbo laughed out loud at the thought of movies being made here and film stars on the streets and beaches.

You knew you’d reached the tropics by the tropical foliage, but only if you looked from this angle at this garden in this street – the rest was scrub.

Turbo wandered down to the scrawny beach where continuous dust storms had exposed the roots of trees.

And that’s where he did the double take; there was film star Jack Thompson lying on the beach!

Turbo took another photo just for Major (not the real Major, who it has been alleged was not the real President, if you are interested in those things.

Bone is full of pubs – there’s nothing else to do, unless you get the number off the Hooker ad.

Turbo was taken by a sign featuring a can with what looked like a cat peeing, and the proud boast that the pub served “the beer ......made up here”

He moved on to the RSL which served real beer, where he inquired as to any historic information on Captain.

A hush fell over the room, and an elderly lady, staggering and lisping finally......

.......in-the-kingdom-of-Queen's-Land.

Turbo was rather sensitive having been kicked off a very popular thread after helpfully saying he was a Gay and Lesbian Pilot, and wasn't quite sure what to say next when the mail arrived with a clearance from ASIO to continue the next segment of the story of his hunt for ancestors of several notorious NES identities with the exception of Bandit 12 incher, where they are saying that a 12 inch pigtail classifies him as a Chinese immigrant, prohibited from entering the Country at the time.

The instructor thread needs to be a closed thread for instructors only.

That way there can be frank exchanges to improve the culture.

Lives would be saved.

This one probably doesn't need an investigator Ding, the second last line probably pings it as pure bad luck.

Not surprising they would have to put down either, it's a very unstable day in Victoria as you can see from the photos - blue sky one minute, down to the ground and thunderstorms the next.

Spent some time today under Moorabbin's Carrum entry point which is uncomfortably close to the southern coastal approach to Melbourne. With airshow traffic around there was a complete overlap with aircraft going in all directions. At one stage a southbound executive jet missed a northbound DC3 by maybe a couple of hundred metres, with the DC3 in VMC but the jet in IMC charging through about 5 octas.

....aware of all the changes.

"For example, I saw a poor worker in a leather jacket in Lygon St," said Turbo "and thinking I'd save him a long walk home to his emaciated family in the rain, I invited him to hop in.

"He immediately put his arms around me.

"I said there's no need to do that, I'm happy to help a sorrowful worker home."

"I'm gay" he said

"You could have fooled me, I thought you looked miserable" replied Turbo

"No I ......."

Because business is business. We are there to serve the needs of aviation, and to keep what exists flying. The problem is that it's only five or six Jabirus that we service, and they all have their problems. We don't service Mooneys or anything British.OME

So, this thread seems to be the opening of a can of worms.

A can so costly that some people could lose their houses, and others stay frustrated for months in pursuit of what should be a relaxed hobby.

If you don't know what it is, and if it is hurting RAA so severely, why aren't the LSAs being kicked out immediately?

.......Beating it like the beatles, then.....

Interesting point to note actually. Originally the case seemed to be building against Mr Coates. It would seem though that proceedings were halted effectively by the "Everyone flies at their own risk" legalities in the setup of RA-Aus. If a case could have been made against the aircraft importer and seller it certainly would have been but there is no legal link that can be made due to every RA-Aus aircraft being "Fly at own risk". There is effectively no recourse for any liability in RA-Aus. As such the case was turned to RA-Aus and CASA for allowing such a state of affairs to occur.That's my interpretation of the goings on anyway...

Many years ago in a past life I worked for BASI (Bureau of Air Safety Investigation), I am not completely familiar with what may have changed since creation of ATSB or RAAus. However back then all accidents and incidents reported were managed to collect the necessary learnings to make flying safer for everyone. We even requested that bird strikes were reported, or via CAIR (Confidential Aviation Incident Reporting) we sought the details of mistakes or errors which when viewed across the whole spectrum might lead to a training need.Our focus was to investigate the factors which may have contributed to an accident, we did not investigate to apportion blame. What is the maintenance history - could this have contributed or detected something, does this type of aircraft require a safety check. Environment - what were the weather conditions, was this near an airfield / traffic which may have impacted on where the craft was etc. Human Factors - what was the pilot doing, experience etc what training have they received, why might they have made certain decisions. Plus of course many other aspects which might be particular to an individual event. Police and coroner reports if they existed were made available to assist.

 

The conclusion of our investigations may involve recommendations which were made publicly available, in some cases this lead to actions by CAA (CASA or AA) implementing mandated requirements. This was done to improve safety.

 

I would hope that this focus on improving safety has transferred across to the ATSB (certainly some of the older hands there have come from BASI). As such RAAus does not need to be intrinsicly involved in investigation, but certainly as a representative body within the aviation industry should be a primary stakeholder when an investigation involves a RAA registered craft or personnel. The relevant conclusions/ recommendations should then be communicated back to members.

Unfortunately Diddy, after your time the professionalism, sense of responsibility and even common decency went right down the plug hole, and the years of care that you and your predecessors put in has been lost.

Occasionally i look at some of the old Aviation Safety Digests and despair that today we are losing pilot after pilot and condemning their families to ongoing misery, just because the infrastructure isn't there to make sure they do simple things like not letting an aircraft stall or spin into the ground just because an engine stops.

The situation we are in today is avoidable and utterly disgraceful, and a lot of people in the industry have blood on their hands.

........play Chopin and Bach, when his mother pointed out that he continued to play with Chopin's kind he'd eventually be doing a lot more than baching, and also...........