turboplanner

Well there we go, simple.

 

 

"I had no idea that 182’s had jabiru engines. According to this forum jabiru engines are the only ones that fail."

BS, on this forum both factual figures and fantasies have been posted, and no reasonable person can conclude that Jabiru engines are the only ones that fail. Apart from that, Jabiru has a new engine which is not making statistics and which can replace the older motors and still potentially give better economics than a Rotax.

 

"After all the comments on the recent jabiru engine which just stopped, on this thread all the comments are about the pilot, on the other thread it is all about the engine."

 

One poster on the other thread characterised the engine.

 

"For me, dollar for dollar jabiru have to have the best value engine going."

 

After slagging off at everyone else, maybe you could produce some compelling figures?

 

 

If it’s 95.10 reg you can maintain it yourself. You can modify it yourself but RAAus have to review it if they class it as major mod due to fabulous empire building by current tech lunatics. 

If its 95.55 home build with 19- reg then as a builder you can do your own maintenance and mods exactly the same as 95.10 reg.

 

if you bought it already reg then the empire building by tech office kicks you in the teeth more than a builder ... chat to tech office  because I can’t be arsed trying to keep up with areas that do not apply to me that are way too GA for me

His aircraft is a Hummelbird which flies elsewhere in the world, but seems to have slipped between the cracks here. From what I’ve been reading it’s been shedded for some time now despite Space’s efforts to get it registered. It looks to me like he’s been walked over by RAA and could do with a mentor to help him into the air.

 

 

Well we also don’t need to be concocting spin either. How about we find out why the engine just “stopped”.

 

 

In those days campaigning for elections require putting yourself on the griller at public meetings well salted with the opposition followers.

 

In one meeting a woman interjected with "I wouldn't vote for you if you were Jesus Christ!

 

He responded with, "Madam, if I were Jesus Christ you wouldn't be in my electorate."

 

 

Turbs 

Should I have done an Accident Report When the DeckChair Fell onto my prop & caused a broken deckchair & prop ?. LoL

 

spacesailor

I'm taking it that you are just having fun, but if the question was serious and something hit the prop, yes you should have, followed by a prop inspection and possible engine tear down.

 

That would be airmanship.

 

However, as much fun as it might be baiting people on social media, that information stays around forever, and could come back to bite you if you do have an accident.

 

 

I practice Airmanship.

"If you genuinely practice airmanship you are less likely ever to be caught up in one of these discussions".

 

No licence,

 

No insurance,

 

No registration,

 

No landing fees,

 

Just sit in the pilots seat, rev up to takeoff rev's touch the joystick rearwards a little, Close eye's AND 

 

AWAY WE GO .

 

spacesailor

We'd just bring along a dog chain and tie you to a tree until CASA went home Space.

 

 

Hard to comment on a mythical report.

 

 

May I ask what you might have said?

I just ended up making sh1t up, so they would go away, as their suggestions were completely impractical as usual.

 

The follow up phone call was hardly encouragement to do another one should there be any further incidents.

Well you didn't actually specify what happened to you, so there's no point in me making something up.

 

I assume you had some sort of incident and submitted a factual report, but weren't happy with the follow up phone call?

 

 

It is not a continuation of safety at any cost.

It is a "Look how good we are at promoting safety"

 

Just another case of big noting themselves for a job very poorly done.

 

We used to have an appropriate word for human relations, until the pencil pushers took over. That word was "Airmanship"

It's not airmanship to fail to make a forced landing when the engine stops, in some cases above 1000 feet.

 

It's not airmanship to turn back and fail to make a landing when there are paddocks ahead.

 

It's not airmanship to kill yourself on the airfield boundary fence when you could have made a precautionary landing up to 30 minutes earlier.

 

It's not airmanship to take off after last light with a car headlight as your VFR aid, and kill yourself and the passenger who pleaded not to fly.

 

and so on.

 

If you genuinely practice airmanship you are less likely ever to be caught up in one of these discussions.

 

The reason the subject is debated is primarily because some organisations are appallingly bad at behavioural management.

 

Having said that there is also evidence that the majority of organisations have made their activities much safer.

 

 

Insurers now ask all the same type of questions and cant handle the answer that all care was taken and it was a accident that no amount of preventative cost or analysis could forsee.

Maybe this is the continuation of safety at any cost mentality across lots of industries.

 

Its your responsibility to prevent accidents therefore if there is one its your fault.

Most people don't want to admit they screwed up.

 

 

You should have asked them to call me M. I could have translated for you.

 

 

Well, $50bn for 4 subs to be delivered sometime in the next 20 years and untold billions on fighter jets that cant run , can't turn...etc. Perhaps we haven't gone too far in 40 years.

Subs cost what subs cost; it isn't the sub, it what's inside it and linked to it.

 

I heard the USAF pilot at Avalon who said "If ya caint tourn, ya caint fart", but for some years now our weapons platform doesn't require a turn, the missiles make the tight turns.

 

 

In this colourful vein I forgot to mention, Whitlam and his deputy didn't wait for a full cabinet to be sworn in, and started making decisions the minute they could. Two people I know believe that one of these decisions, which had the effect of breaching the requirements of the Constitution, making it illegal, has resulted in all subsequent legislation in Australia being illegal. I can't remember the details, but one of them spent time in England going up the legal chain and seemed to be getting close to succeeding  in proving it.

 

I had a first hand example of how Whitlam worked when I received a request to attend a meeting in Canberra at the request of the Prime Minister regarding the future of Australian bus manufacture. Since we had bus plants up I went, and found about another 50 or so people in a room helping themselves to coffee. We didn't see Gough but a public servant stepped up and explained that he wanted to lower the cost of public transport, and so the government had come up with an Australian Standard Bus design to take advantage of mass production. I asked who would be building these buses and was told the government would be, probably in the ACT. That meant our entire Australian Industry would lose their businesses and jobs.

 

He went on to outline the design they had come up with; a monococque aluminium "hull" (to gasps and sniggers) and a flat 8 diesel rear engine with diagonal drive.

 

By this time we were stunned, and I asked what this mass produced bus would cost. To my surprise the speaker very confidently said $80,000.00.

 

I said, We sell school buses for $15,000.00, route buses for $22,000.00 and coaches for $45,000.00, who would be paying $80,000.00?"

 

The man was clearly shocked; he had no idea that a school bus and a coach were different to a route bus, and the prices shocked him.

 

As he consulted his colleagues, and started to suggest we should talk, Jack Violet, a salt of the earth man and the owner of Custom Coaches in Sydney reached the end of his fuse and let go with an expletive laden opinion of the speaker, the government, Whitlam, public servants, boffins, academics (and I've only remembered a few of them), and we gave him a standing ovation.

 

The speaker, by now clearly distressed said that perhaps they'd made a mistake, and we all went back home and never heard of the Australian Standard Bus again.

 

 

What did this bit from post #8  mean then??????

It means apen is more experienced than the L2 and Lame?

 

 

That the CIA where involved, there's not much doubt. Kerr was known to have CIA links. We are not even allowed to examine the correspondence between Buck Palace and Kerr almost 50 years later. It is a fact that a motion of "no-confidence" was passed by the Parliament in the Fraser caretaker govt but this fact was ignored when Kerr prorogued The Parl't for the election. There are long lists of the Whitlam govt's achievements in foreign affairs, universal health cover, urban development, education, aboriginal affairs and, of course, Jackson Pollack's Blue Poles which has achieved a stratospheric value since being purchased. To argue that his period in office was marked by wasteful spending and policy confusion is to display extreme naivete and ignorance.

BTW Kaz, Moruya and Merimbula are open and have avgas.

The CIA didn't have to get involved, and Whitlam wasn't dismissed because his government spent a  lot of money. The issue which hurt all companies was that as much as his government had some good ideas, they allowed inflation to get out of hand. I was national marketing manager of a large company and we wrote up several "rise and fall" clauses, but the customers were walking away from us at the order stage, or cancelling their orders at the delivery stage. I came up with a policy of issuing a monthly price list, and getting the sales outlets to quote on that month and delivery at that price. We had no idea where inflation was going to go, but at that time it had risen to 1.3% per month, so I increased prices for the next month by 1.5%, and so on. This was before emails and faxes, and was a huge job, but it got us out of the soup. Others just went to the wall. The second huge issue was that the Unions now only had to answer to their Comrade and hero, and got right out of control, pushing costs up even higher. The whole mess was dragging us down and some of the Ministers started to jack up, and Whitlam sacked them one after the other. These events weakened the government to the point where the Opposition, led by Malcolm Fraser moved a motion to block Supply. This is a legitimate move, just as a vote of no confidence is a legitimate move, and the convention is that the government asks the Governor General to declare an election.

 

Whitlam decided to govern without Supply, and this meant there would be no money to pay any Commonwealth public servants, members of the defence forces etc. That then triggered a requirement for the Governor General to step in and sack the government, and appoint an interim, caretaker, government until an election could be held. That was done and the Coalition won in a landslide victory, endorsing the action taken by the governor general. (There were more steps than that; Whitlam trying to arrange an unauthorised loan to pay the employees was one) There was huge relief that the boil had burst and we could move on again. I personally met both Whitlam and Fraser and respected both of them. If Whitlam had been younger when all this happened, and had a second go, he would have been a great Prime Minister.   What happened next still amazes me, and shows the level of bipartisanship that exists in Canberra. Fraser had been given a clear message to get the budget under control and wipe out the union power. Bob Hawke was the President of the ACTU. Fraser moved Bob Hawke into Minister Streets office for three months, and between them they worked out a way to calmly bring union operations to a generally harmonious level, by consensus.

 

 

That the CIA where involved, there's not much doubt. Kerr was known to have CIA links. We are not even allowed to examine the correspondence between Buck Palace and Kerr almost 50 years later. It is a fact that a motion of "no-confidence" was passed by the Parliament in the Fraser caretaker govt but this fact was ignored when Kerr prorogued The Parl't for the election. There are long lists of the Whitlam govt's achievements in foreign affairs, universal health cover, urban development, education, aboriginal affairs and, of course, Jackson Pollack's Blue Poles which has achieved a stratospheric value since being purchased. To argue that his period in office was marked by wasteful spending and policy confusion is to display extreme naivete and ignorance.

BTW Kaz, Moruya and Merimbula are open and have avgas.

The CIA didn't have to get involved, and Whitlam wasn't dismissed because his government spent a  lot of money. The issue which hurt all companies was that as much as his government had some good ideas, they allowed inflation to get out of hand. I was national marketing manager of a large company and we wrote up several "rise and fall" clauses, but the customers were walking away from us at the order stage, or cancelling their orders at the delivery stage. I came up with a policy of issuing a monthly price list, and getting the sales outlets to quote on that month and delivery at that price. We had no idea where inflation was going to go, but at that time it had risen to 1.3% per month, so I increased prices for the next month by 1.5%, and so on. This was before emails and faxes, and was a huge job, but it got us out of the soup. Others just went to the wall. The second huge issue was that the Unions now only had to answer to their Comrade and hero, and got right out of control, pushing costs up even higher. The whole mess was dragging us down and some of the Ministers started to jack up, and Whitlam sacked them one after the other. These events weakened the government to the point where the Opposition, led by Malcolm Fraser moved a motion to block Supply. This is a legitimate move, just as a vote of no confidence is a legitimate move, and the convention is that the government asks the Governor General to declare an election.

 

Whitlam decided to govern without Supply, and this meant there would be no money to pay any Commonwealth public servants, members of the defence forces etc. That then triggered a requirement for the Governor General to step in and sack the government, and appoint an interim, caretaker, government until an election could be held. That was done and the Coalition won in a landslide victory, endorsing the action taken by the governor general. (There were more steps than that; Whitlam trying to arrange an unauthorised loan to pay the employees was one) There was huge relief that the boil had burst and we could move on again. I personally met both Whitlam and Fraser and respected both of them. If Whitlam had been younger when all this happened, and had a second go, he would have been a great Prime Minister.   What happened next still amazes me, and shows the level of bipartisanship that exists in Canberra. Fraser had been given a clear message to get the budget under control and wipe out the union power. Bob Hawke was the President of the ACTU. Fraser moved Bob Hawke into Minister Streets office for three months, and between them they worked out a way to calmly bring union operations to a generally harmonious level, by consensus.

 

 

That the CIA where involved, there's not much doubt. Kerr was known to have CIA links. We are not even allowed to examine the correspondence between Buck Palace and Kerr almost 50 years later. It is a fact that a motion of "no-confidence" was passed by the Parliament in the Fraser caretaker govt but this fact was ignored when Kerr prorogued The Parl't for the election. There are long lists of the Whitlam govt's achievements in foreign affairs, universal health cover, urban development, education, aboriginal affairs and, of course, Jackson Pollack's Blue Poles which has achieved a stratospheric value since being purchased. To argue that his period in office was marked by wasteful spending and policy confusion is to display extreme naivete and ignorance.

BTW Kaz, Moruya and Merimbula are open and have avgas.

The CIA didn't have to get involved, and Whitlam wasn't dismissed because his government spent a  lot of money. The issue which hurt all companies was that as much as his government had some good ideas, they allowed inflation to get out of hand. I was national marketing manager of a large company and we wrote up several "rise and fall" clauses, but the customers were walking away from us at the order stage, or cancelling their orders at the delivery stage. I came up with a policy of issuing a monthly price list, and getting the sales outlets to quote on that month and delivery at that price. We had no idea where inflation was going to go, but at that time it had risen to 1.3% per month, so I increased prices for the next month by 1.5%, and so on. This was before emails and faxes, and was a huge job, but it got us out of the soup. Others just went to the wall. The second huge issue was that the Unions now only had to answer to their Comrade and hero, and got right out of control, pushing costs up even higher. The whole mess was dragging us down and some of the Ministers started to jack up, and Whitlam sacked them one after the other. These events weakened the government to the point where the Opposition, led by Malcolm Fraser moved a motion to block Supply. This is a legitimate move, just as a vote of no confidence is a legitimate move, and the convention is that the government asks the Governor General to declare an election.

 

Whitlam decided to govern without Supply, and this meant there would be no money to pay any Commonwealth public servants, members of the defence forces etc. That then triggered a requirement for the Governor General to step in and sack the government, and appoint an interim, caretaker, government until an election could be held. That was done and the Coalition won in a landslide victory, endorsing the action taken by the governor general. (There were more steps than that; Whitlam trying to arrange an unauthorised loan to pay the employees was one) There was huge relief that the boil had burst and we could move on again. I personally met both Whitlam and Fraser and respected both of them. If Whitlam had been younger when all this happened, and had a second go, he would have been a great Prime Minister.   What happened next still amazes me, and shows the level of bipartisanship that exists in Canberra. Fraser had been given a clear message to get the budget under control and wipe out the union power. Bob Hawke was the President of the ACTU. Fraser moved Bob Hawke into Minister Streets office for three months, and between them they worked out a way to calmly bring union operations to a generally harmonious level, by consensus.

 

 

That the CIA where involved, there's not much doubt. Kerr was known to have CIA links. We are not even allowed to examine the correspondence between Buck Palace and Kerr almost 50 years later. It is a fact that a motion of "no-confidence" was passed by the Parliament in the Fraser caretaker govt but this fact was ignored when Kerr prorogued The Parl't for the election. There are long lists of the Whitlam govt's achievements in foreign affairs, universal health cover, urban development, education, aboriginal affairs and, of course, Jackson Pollack's Blue Poles which has achieved a stratospheric value since being purchased. To argue that his period in office was marked by wasteful spending and policy confusion is to display extreme naivete and ignorance.

BTW Kaz, Moruya and Merimbula are open and have avgas.

The CIA didn't have to get involved, and Whitlam wasn't dismissed because his government spent a  lot of money. The issue which hurt all companies was that as much as his government had some good ideas, they allowed inflation to get out of hand. I was national marketing manager of a large company and we wrote up several "rise and fall" clauses, but the customers were walking away from us at the order stage, or cancelling their orders at the delivery stage. I came up with a policy of issuing a monthly price list, and getting the sales outlets to quote on that month and delivery at that price. We had no idea where inflation was going to go, but at that time it had risen to 1.3% per month, so I increased prices for the next month by 1.5%, and so on. This was before emails and faxes, and was a huge job, but it got us out of the soup. Others just went to the wall. The second huge issue was that the Unions now only had to answer to their Comrade and hero, and got right out of control, pushing costs up even higher. The whole mess was dragging us down and some of the Ministers started to jack up, and Whitlam sacked them one after the other. These events weakened the government to the point where the Opposition, led by Malcolm Fraser moved a motion to block Supply. This is a legitimate move, just as a vote of no confidence is a legitimate move, and the convention is that the government asks the Governor General to declare an election.

 

Whitlam decided to govern without Supply, and this meant there would be no money to pay any Commonwealth public servants, members of the defence forces etc. That then triggered a requirement for the Governor General to step in and sack the government, and appoint an interim, caretaker, government until an election could be held. That was done and the Coalition won in a landslide victory, endorsing the action taken by the governor general. (There were more steps than that; Whitlam trying to arrange an unauthorised loan to pay the employees was one) There was huge relief that the boil had burst and we could move on again. I personally met both Whitlam and Fraser and respected both of them. If Whitlam had been younger when all this happened, and had a second go, he would have been a great Prime Minister.   What happened next still amazes me, and shows the level of bipartisanship that exists in Canberra. Fraser had been given a clear message to get the budget under control and wipe out the union power. Bob Hawke was the President of the ACTU. Fraser moved Bob Hawke into Minister Streets office for three months, and between them they worked out a way to calmly bring union operations to a generally harmonious level, by consensus.

 

 

That the CIA where involved, there's not much doubt. Kerr was known to have CIA links. We are not even allowed to examine the correspondence between Buck Palace and Kerr almost 50 years later. It is a fact that a motion of "no-confidence" was passed by the Parliament in the Fraser caretaker govt but this fact was ignored when Kerr prorogued The Parl't for the election. There are long lists of the Whitlam govt's achievements in foreign affairs, universal health cover, urban development, education, aboriginal affairs and, of course, Jackson Pollack's Blue Poles which has achieved a stratospheric value since being purchased. To argue that his period in office was marked by wasteful spending and policy confusion is to display extreme naivete and ignorance.

BTW Kaz, Moruya and Merimbula are open and have avgas.

The CIA didn't have to get involved, and Whitlam wasn't dismissed because his government spent a  lot of money. The issue which hurt all companies was that as much as his government had some good ideas, they allowed inflation to get out of hand. I was national marketing manager of a large company and we wrote up several "rise and fall" clauses, but the customers were walking away from us at the order stage, or cancelling their orders at the delivery stage. I came up with a policy of issuing a monthly price list, and getting the sales outlets to quote on that month and delivery at that price. We had no idea where inflation was going to go, but at that time it had risen to 1.3% per month, so I increased prices for the next month by 1.5%, and so on. This was before emails and faxes, and was a huge job, but it got us out of the soup. Others just went to the wall. The second huge issue was that the Unions now only had to answer to their Comrade and hero, and got right out of control, pushing costs up even higher. The whole mess was dragging us down and some of the Ministers started to jack up, and Whitlam sacked them one after the other. These events weakened the government to the point where the Opposition, led by Malcolm Fraser moved a motion to block Supply. This is a legitimate move, just as a vote of no confidence is a legitimate move, and the convention is that the government asks the Governor General to declare an election.

 

Whitlam decided to govern without Supply, and this meant there would be no money to pay any Commonwealth public servants, members of the defence forces etc. That then triggered a requirement for the Governor General to step in and sack the government, and appoint an interim, caretaker, government until an election could be held. That was done and the Coalition won in a landslide victory, endorsing the action taken by the governor general. (There were more steps than that; Whitlam trying to arrange an unauthorised loan to pay the employees was one) There was huge relief that the boil had burst and we could move on again. I personally met both Whitlam and Fraser and respected both of them. If Whitlam had been younger when all this happened, and had a second go, he would have been a great Prime Minister.   What happened next still amazes me, and shows the level of bipartisanship that exists in Canberra. Fraser had been given a clear message to get the budget under control and wipe out the union power. Bob Hawke was the President of the ACTU. Fraser moved Bob Hawke into Minister Streets office for three months, and between them they worked out a way to calmly bring union operations to a generally harmonious level, by consensus.

 

 

Textbook EFATO forced landing (from 400 feet according to Ch 9), textbook result.

 

Bashed two fences out of the way but stayed upright and flying to touchdown.

 

 

I had not taken any offence. I felt the original post was not having a shot but needed clarification. Those who know me know I’m pretty easy going and I think this attitude is not always accepted. I’m fine with that. Cheers all and end of discussion.  Happy New Year

I think the heading of this thread probably says it all.

 

 

A friend of mine has already taken matters into his own hands after being pestered by regular drone incursions into the immediate airspace above his property.

I hapened to call into his gaff on Friday this week and he showed me the remains of a Drone that he had shot down. It had been hovering close to his Koi Carp pond, populted by extremely expensive fish.   He loaded his .410 Shotgun with a Birdshot cartridge and brought it down.   It looked to me like quite an expensive machine, based upon those I have seen at the local Model field. .  but there was no identification on it. . . . He's waiting to see what the local Plod say, should the owner give them the footage from it's HD camera. 

 

He said that it was the third time that this drone had been looking at his fish, and he thought that they might be planning a raid.. . . ( ? )  Fish Terrorists. . .Mmm.

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. We used to breed finches and parrots, and I was itching to raise the money to buy a pair of Macaws, but after reading constant reports of thieves beating the most elaborate security systems we stuck with the cheaper breeds. A couple of years back a gang used Nearmap to do an overhead search of backyards in SE Melbourne, picking the trailers in yards and at last count had stolen about 30.

 

 

  ATSB are supposed to be" at a distance " (independant) and I have no proof they aren't, but it's not just aviation they deal with..  Fatals (non aerobatic) are generally looked at though some non fatal newsworthy things Like the Old BAR Ferris wheel "Incident" seemed a bit political to me. Nev

They have the right to make their decisions, but that one was probably due to the potential disaster, and what became public of the events leading up to the hit. I wouldn't say it was political.

 

 

I thought the PIC submitted the incident report if capable?

Yes, but how many are doing it, or submitting a report containing all the facts? The published reports being criticised as done by someone in the office could be all they received.