turboplanner

The problem is that CASA are only required to be concerned about aviation risks. They have no requirement to care about the total needs of the patient.

So they can best fulfill their charter by stopping flights, which is exactly what they are doing.

 

What is needed is to go beyond CASA to the pollies who should be looking at the bigger picture.  In the Mount Gambier crash, the terrible outcome could have been averted either by more training or by the intervention of an Angel Flight official. I agree that the perceived pressure of conducting the flight on time needs to be resolved.

 

These people, as we've seen above are not patients. This is a service which offers faster transport from the country to the cities.

 

That it can be done safely is the duty of CASA.

 

In both cases the training which produced the pilot qualifications is accepted as satisfactory to produce relatively safe flight in Australia for non-commercial flights.

 

What that means is that if there is any question about not being able to maintain VMC for the complete flight, there is no pressure on the pilot to conduct the flight.

 

In both cases, decisions which most VFR pilots would have made were not made, and people died as a result; that's not acceptable.

 

The simple step of the exact same passengers handing over money for the exact same flights in the exact same aircraft triggers the requirement for the pilot to have a Commercial Pilot's Licence.

 

So there has been a double standard.

 

There is nothing to stop CPLs volunteering their service for the same aircraft for these flights.

 

 

It seemed like Tony was sent as a Sacrificial Lamb to front the RRAT Senate Committee, to protect the 2 x Micks and other board members. 

Hopefully Tony hasn’t had to cop on his own, the full brunt of any abuse or complaints, etc. that should be more so directed at the Micks, RAAus Ltd, and its consultants and associates.

I was very impressed by the part he played; showed some class. As FV said, better to find out the real reason.

 

 

 Most motorcycle "gear" (attire) is not good to be in when you are stationary, and the heat is coming up from the engine, or heating your legs on the older stuff. If some rider moves up through the traffic and gets away at the lights it's no skin off a motorists nose provided they don't wipe off a mirror on the way. Many mirrors get wiped out by other 4+ wheel vehicles like semi's and Luton Peak vans . Every bike is one less car on the road so slow you up.. Nev

When was the last time you saw a Luton Peak Biggles?

 

 

Question -  WHAT stops a hunmelbitd being registered with RAAus as a 95.55 airframe with 19- rego?

Answer - NOTHING

 

the wing load restrictions on 95.10 means you can’t tet 10- reg in the side but the Hummelbird design absolutely can be built and reg as an Australian ultralight and HAS been able to for the past 21 years.  

 

There were  8 years in the early 1990’s when they were a stuck design ... but come on spacesailor it was fixed 21 years ago.   

Spacesailor, what Kasper has said means you may be able to go flying after all.  Maybe it's just been the paperwork, and saying the exact right words in the past that has allowed this thing to go on and on without a resolution. Do you have someone in your area familiar with the RAA paperwork trail who could help you put your case to RAA?

 

 

OME, I used to live four hours from Adelaide and six from Melbourne, and yes it is a pain. At those distances the family made it a two day event so there was no rush at the City and, but I can understand the examples you're making where what is usually a half day for someone in the city often becomes two days lost from the property.

 

Last week I helped arrange a patient who had spent two years in Adelaide being processed, entailing 37,000 km by the family to be transferred to a regional town an hour away, so those of us involved know the toll that long haul takes on a family.

 

In 2016 I went to live in a town in Queensland for two months and had to wait for a third of that to see a specialist, and he was four hours away, and that had to be a two day event.

 

Prior to that specialist moving to the country, it would have involved a flight each way, so possibly one day, but more likely two.

 

I hope it went well for you, but from may experience with the chemo and radiation programme the last thing you need is stress on top of stress.

 

In the case of the Nhill crash,  access would be about 3 or 4 hours by car, and a couple of hours more for something like a cataract, or check up.

 

For Mount Gambier, about five hours by car, 7 by bus or 30 minutes by air.

 

I don't think there's any doubt that Angel Flight performs a very helpful function.

 

In recent trips, talking to country people, the message is they go to their local hospitals to die; they don't have the same sort of confidence that there'll be a specialist on hand, so if it's something serious they'll drive to the city, even if it takes nine hours.

 

Victoria in particular, and some other states have overloaded their city infrastructure with population growth plus immigration, and so are looking very closely at upgrading their satellite cities to get the flow of people flowing out into the country instead of vice versa. When that happens you will see $50 million hospitals and a much more even supply of services.

 

Even  now, when you consider the number of people needing transport to and from the cities, it's amazing that the feeder airline industry hasn't identified the potential numbers and started to set more links up.

 

 

Troll somewhere else.

 

 

Could you also charge the same for your opinions?

Probably for Men’s Shed topics.

 

 

I don't know where to start, I just want you to present more accurate comparisons

Sure, $154.00/ hr and I’ll find anything that’s available.

 

 

you need to compare apples to apples.

can you dig up highway accidents per highway distance travelled, that's a more relevant comparison to just passenger vehicle deaths 

 

also can you dig up per 1000 deaths of passengers in road transit

If you want that you can dig it up, just drill down through the data.

 

 

what is the accident rate for ambulances?

It will be there in the statistics somewhere, haven't looked it up, but these days they stabilise the patient on the scene, and it appears to be working so much better, that I'm seeing video of specialist hospital staff travelling to the scene. this process has moved the medical emergency response forward vs the incident also.

 

There also seems to be a belief on here that Angel Flights were doing ambulance work. The States have dedicated ambulance aircraft including helicopters which transport you through your ambulance subscription. The Angel Flight site should have what they do, but from my memory it is just facilitating country people getting to and from the city in a faster way.

 

 

If today's safety standards were applied to the Snowy Mountains project it would still be being built. I watched a road repair at a minor intersection the other day - 3 people actually worked and at least 5 did traffic control and a further 2 watched.

Today's standards are not being applied to the archaic way the Snowy Mountains project was built, involving at times picks and shovels and 8 tonne tippers.

 

Victoria is building underground loops with machines that are being assembled at the operating depth, and which will allow them to operate autonomously and safely for the next few years, virtually risk-free. The old Snowy Mountains techniques couldn't get anywhere near that efficiency per worker.

 

Your story about the traffic control is mirrored in the old letters to the newspapers complaining about the local council where there was one man on a shovel and six looking on.

 

They never manage to put the whole story together where what they saw was a brief period where it was more efficient to have one person doing a particular operation which then allowed the others to resume work. You soon wake up to what's going on when you assist a group doing something similar. Traffic control is partly for safety, the stop the small percentage of drivers jumping in front of others, or passing under the noses of tippers. I do a lot of travelling on our major highways, and it has made an amazing difference to traffic flows, and also allows active construction around blind corners etc.

 

 

The living go on living, and the living go on dying ......

At what point do we accept the risk?

The risk factor for Australian road users is 1 per 833,333 missions

 

The risk factor for RA aircraft occupants is about 1 per 20,000 missions

 

The risk factor you mentioned for Angel Flight would be 1 per 23,000 missions

 

This means that driving a car is 40 time safer than flying in an RA aircraft or in an Angel Flight

 

I don't have the statistics on GA CPL flown aircraft, but that would be an interesting comparison.

 

Whatever, people from another industry than RA have assessed the situation and made their decision.

 

Do we become so risk adverse that the nation comes to a standstill, because this is where the "safety (at all costs) industry" is sending us....

Last time I checked, the Clear Creek Mine in the Bowen Basin had the toughest safety measures of all the mines in the region, and also the best production efficiency. What industries are doing all the time is developing better ways to keep productivity up. Some don't but that's life. I've previously mentioned the floor pan press at the GM Elizabeth plant, where the six operators, in noisy conditions turned and sat on a seat when the part where their arms had to go into the press had finished; Each seat had a switch, when all six switches were activated the current flowed to the press control and the press operated. Effectively the people on that station went from being bawled at if they were caught sitting down, to getting to sit down for a couple of hours every day.

 

Do we sit in front of the tv, do nothing, grow obese and have a heart attack?  What an unfulfilling life.... but hey, it was safe!

It's certainly not safe; in fact lifestyle diseases like heart attacks, lung cancers, skin cancers, strokes (after you take out the smaller non-lifestyle causes) have a monster fatality rate.

 

Other nations are striving ahead of us in leaps and bounds but our isolation and our (govt promoted) ignorance leave us in the dark.

You should be able to find the statistics for that.

 

 

I guess we'll be able to add an electronic noise generator to make our silent plane sound like a Merlin or big round engine...

In the RC electric aircraft used for racing the sound is magnificent, much like the Formula Ones before the recent engine change.

 

 

 How about having a motor  in every wheel of road vehicles. No silly drive train to fail .Electro regenerative brakes brakes on each wheel. Motors can be lighter than a "conventional" brake disc set up.  Nev

That's always been the plan, long term because of electric's ability to produce maximum torque from zero, but the problem is getting a battery design break through, which from my memory, the industry has been waiting for since the 1970s.

 

The reason is, on a motor vehicle, if we do use maximum torque, the battery drain is huge, affecting range too much.

 

 

In both crashes innocent people have been killed here; their families will never see them again.

 

 

From CASA's perspective, the big problem now is the ever increasing masses of drones flying about that could cause a GA plane to crash, occam's razor suggests that grounding every nonessential GA plane is the simplest way to achieve that safety rating. Imagine how dangerous rural airports are going to be for GA aircraft when you have hundreds autonomous agricultural drones coming and going on a 24/7 basis. CASA will be held responsible for this situation.

Somebody forgot to tell Occam.

 

As I recall the CASA plan announced today will require drones to have the same airspace compliance as everyone else, and to receive training Private operators will then pay for a licence at $20.00 per year, and commercial operators at $160.00 per year. I only got a glance at it, so you should do some checking if you fly a drone.

 

 

I wrote and posted this elsewhere. A private flight is a private flight, period.

A remarkable work of fiction; We won't worry about what the actual State Acts say, or even what the Good Samaritan Acts say.

 

For anyone interested, and I'm not suggesting anyone is, there is a warning in the Herald Sun in Melbourne today to beware of the stream of fake information that's likely to circulate around social media. One example they gave was a story of a man who was lynched just for carrying an Australian Flag on Australia Day.

 

 

I hadn’t thought of the temperature extremes, although it certainly doesn’t seem like there would be that much temperature ‘stress’ in an ultralight...

People say that with dozers too, after all they're just crawling along the ground; what could go wrong, and there's only one grease gun.

 

A Cat D7 drive shaft replacement costs about $45,000.00

 

 

Turbs, do you have any friends outside aviation? Almost everyone I know who isn't an aviator thinks I'm nuts to fly around the countryside in a small aeroplane.

Haven't had that reaction, most are excited to go up.

 

 

What’s with the special greases I’m supposed to use for my Bushcat wheels? Why not just normal bearing grease?

I don’t know but it’s usually based on the design engineer doing something unusual,   like getting into a tight space by using a bearing smaller than usual, or running a bearing at a speed which would cause it to overheat, then resolving the problem with a special grease. A dozer, for example requires several different types of grease all doing different jobs. I’d ask the manufacturer.

 

 

Hello turbo,

M61A1 is on to it. I was looking from inside Part149. That is controlled by placarding.

 

With the helicopters there needs to be two seaters available for training with in the Part149 and Part 103. Turbo you are on to cost and regulations etc. etc. not the same type of relevance within Part 149 & 103.

 

It is early days as to the administration. Why has "liability"? ... Always has to pop up? Think in another sphere and there is the answer.

 

Be very very careful with this liability movement thing, because if one goes too hard at that one, there will be no aviation in Australia.

 

The only thing flying about will be the RPTs and the unregistered planes and unlicensed pilots. That will be a mess.

 

To me CASA's safety programme is to have no planes flying and that mission is gained by over regulating -- with this over regulation comes exorbitant costs and people will give up and go fishing.

 

Example in this case, "Angel Flight"

 

KP.

I’ve forgotten the simple question I asked, so we won’t worry about it.

 

 

I don't think you're being ignored Rick; there are some emotional feelings about what has happened.

 

 

Take the blinkers off Turbo!

Yes the Cessna 152 is currently GA, but it doesn't need to be, it could easily be RA, with RA licencing and maintenance requirements. The same goes for an R22. You don't  need different management, training, compliance and enforcement systems to administer recreational flying. Sure heli training is a little different from fixed wing, but it's hardly rocket science.

 

None of it needs to be as hard as it is.

Keith said he didn't know what a "GA component was"; I tried to explain it; they are free to take whatever approach they wish.

 

 

What are  you saying regarding GA component?

We are not thinking anything like GA. Got me thinking where or how or why GA is involved in this equation.

 

Yes, there is a weight increase just like RAAus is seeking. I can assure the weight is not the hold up, nor are the light helicopters.

 

The big question, At the moment, legally, where are the small helicopter fitting into the scheme of things?

 

KP

A Cessna 152 is a GA aircraft operating under prescriptive management by CASA

 

An R22 helicopter also operates under prescriptive management by CASA

 

1. Why would someone who flies one of these pay an annual subscription to a company to self administer what CASA are already doing$

 

2. CASA has the liability for these aircraft now and manages that liability directly now, so it controls it's own risk. Why would CASA water down that control by letting someone else control that risk ( where there can be mistakes) when the legislation says they have the responsibility? I also would think very carefully before I made that decision, and wonder how a self-administering organisation could also manage to operate two different management, training, and compliance and enforcement systems at the same time without a large staff.

 

 

you always seem to have the wrong take on everything.

CASA response to these 2 pilot error accidents is wrong as usual

I'm not sure how many RA and GA pilots there are together, but if we said 15,000, there are a few that share that view and will never change.

 

What has happened has happened, and no one should be surprised.