turboplanner

 

One graph is not indicative either way.  The sea level does not rise or fall evenly throughout he world, the sea is not flat. For this reason posting one graph is problematic.

 

Most people are surprised to learn that, just as the surface of the Earth is not flat, the surface of the ocean is not flat, and that the surface of the sea changes at different rates around the globe. For instance, the absolute water level height is higher along the West Coast of the United States than the East Coast.

 

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/globalsl.html

 

Which is what I was alluding to earlier. “Scientists” have been quoting a global mean temperature to predict temperature increases of fractions of degrees. How could you calculate the mean of all the seas when you don’t have every measurement?

Sorry, forgot to attach the actual Tide Gauge readings from Williamstown.

 There will be a chart related to your capital city tide guage (s) plus quite a lot for regional ports.

The water level at this gauge certainly isn't climbing at the same rate as the concocted "Global Average" calculated figures.

These figures are probably available back to the 1800s but you can't get much flatter than this.

Turbs you might need to edit your last post, because your text appears as if it were my post.

 

Sorry, too late to edit. The only part of OK's quote was "CO2"

....Turbo asked her if she'd like to go up for a flight.  She gulped down the Champagne and said "Where's your kite?"  Bron used to be the squeeze of Biggles and Foxhunter in the days when pilots wore jodhpurs and leather gloves, and.....

CO2?

 

There are some very interesting developments in what I've just posted which will bear watching.

 

If CO2 is not causing global warming, we will enter a very happy financial age. One the other had if it is then we a too late for the graduated correction and can loook forward to living as our grandfathers did, with few luxuries and little travel.

 

I understand this thread started about firefighting aircraft, but claims of global warming crept into the equation.

The first question is whether global warming is occurring or not, and there yet may be a Committee set up in the US to examine the evidence with a microsocope. We don't haved to debate that to a standstill, and where I sit on that at present is in the middle. I've found a lot of material that is destroying some of the earlier Global warming claims. We had the very unfortunate situation where IPCC members, wanting to get the general population moving their way doctored the figures and destroyed the credibility of the IPCC. Then we had the name change from Global Warming to Climate Change, which gave some of the dodgier claimants wriggle room.

I've gone back over some of the early meetings I was in, the claims that were made then, and some surprising twists.

In terms of fire fighting, if global warming is occurring, a large part of Australia is going to be getting a change to Monsoonal weather patterns so will be better off than now.

The black font shows information from the meetings, the blue italics are current updates and my notes.

Global Warming Seminar, Monash University, Frankston Campus – August 2005

1. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Representative:

In 1996 - 2000 we couldn’t say the planet has warmed.

The science has improved dramatically in the last 5-6 years.

Sea level Fremantle 1897 – 2002 (105 years): 150 mm rise at Tidal Gauge (1.43 mm/year)

May 2019  

CSIRO: “Over the period 1901 to 2010 global mean sea level (GMSL) rose by around 190 mm” (1.74 mm per year)

CSIRO are measuring sea level by Satellites TOPEX/Poseidon (Lunched 1992). Jason-1 (2001), Jason-2 (2008), Jason – 3 (2016)

CSIRO: “Data has shown a more or less steady increase in GMSL of around 3.2 mm/year over that period”

CSIRO: “Whether or not this represents a further increase in the rate of sea level rise is not yet certain.”

NOTE: Tidal gauge measurements are consistent for the same place.

            The CSIRO Satellite measurements are not specified, and they are quoting global sea level, the average for all the oceans at ones. Even for Australia, we will see on BOM local tidal gauge data, that different locations have different sea levels for different reasons.

So CSIRO have to make some assumptions to cut a world medium, making it pretty much useless.

Note they are hedging with more OR LESS steady increase and saying they don’t know if this is a trend.

Science.org.au  “During the 20th Century, average global sea level rose 1.5 mm/year.”

Again we don’t know where the measurements were taken and how they were factored to discount warm currents, adjust for cold currents etc. but it’s 14%/53% lower than CSIRO.

BOM May 2019

“Oceans around Australia have warmed just over 1 degree C since 1910”

That’s 0.009 degrees per year.

BOM May 2019

The Tidal Gauge for all Planning levels in Victoria is located at Williamstown.

This provided hard measurements of the height of the water at that level, which is repeatable from the time records began in the 19th Century.

However, BOM decided to compile some global averages for this report:

BOM: “Global sea level has risen by over 200 mm since 1880” (139 years) = 1.45 mm/year

BOM:   “     “       “    reached 300 mm/decade in recent decades      = 30  mm/year

We are not given the basis for the calculations or where the measurements were taken, and you certainly couldn’t rely on it for Planning purposes.

The above 300 mm/decade  would clearly make global warmists secure in making their public statements, but BOM also produced this data from a map of Australia that showed a much more realistic view of what currents and winds do to the temperature of nearby oceans, making the use of a global mean impossible to calculate, and so, misleading.

SA:      2 mm/year

Vic:      1 mm/year (based on hard measurements at Williamstown)

NSW:   7 mm/year

Qld:     2 mm/year

WA:     4.5 mm/year

Air temperature follows the ocean temperature, so these hard figures show that different weighting for global warming should be applied in each of these locations, so Victoria would not have much change in climate, but WA could look forward to lush rainforests and big agribusiness improvements, with NSW getting even a bigger bonus.

If we think about this is makes sense because we already have pocket climates in Australia.

But is studying ocean warming, the most vital indicator of whether global warming is occurring worthwhile.

Well from the Williamstown Tidal Gauge, which as we saw has been producing unmodified sea level figures for over a century we can gate factual data, and attached is a graph showing High tide, low tide and a calculated median each month for 54 years.

The first thing to notice from this graph is that tides cycle by a LOT in this graph there is a variation on high tide alone of 950 mm, so how people can present forecasts of less than 2 mm with a straight face is surprising.

You can pretty much tell at a glance that over the last 54 years, which many have said is the most critical, sea level hasn’t been rising.

Since 1979 more than 20% of the Polar Ice Cap has melted away.#2

2019

Yes it did, but now it has iced up back to 1979 levels, so we can rule out the Polar caps as a reliable source of Global warming.

Risk of coastal flooding at 2.0 degrees C, 100 million people affected at 3 degrees C.

Hasn’t happened. We’ve become a lot smarter and found erosion due to currents flowing along beaches etc. and we’re now aware that a large chunk of Gippsland beach is sinking as a result of gas extraction.

2. Department of Sustainability and Environment Representative

Victoria is likely to become warmer and drier.

Melbourne becomes more like Adelaide

By 2030, annual warming will be 0.2 degrees to 1.4 degrees.

Spring rains will drop off.

Rain will increase in summer.

3. Kirribati Representative

Kirribati is very low, the sea is coming in, and they are planning to evacuate, and make another, higher island their home.

Video shown of children walking down the road to their school, up to their knees in sea water at high tide, where in the past the road was always dry.  

2019

This was being driven by the President of Kirribati; now the ex-President he has continued to promote the sinking story, but the general consensus is that the affected Pacific islands are sinking due to volcanic action, rather than the sea rising, which would still be a problem, just not global warming.Kiribati bought an island off the north coast of New Zealand, but the people haven’t moved there.

4. Glaciers

There were some suggestions of Glaciers retreating

These are not a reliable indicator of global warming because they are affected by local weather patterns, irregular movement of ice due to pressure etc.

For example, ice blocks the size of houses are subjected to cycles of sunlight and low winds melt and the glacier shortens, but upstream this melting allows other blocks to break free and thousands of tonnes starts to slide faster, extending the length of the glacier again. It’s difficult to keep an accurate record against a datum point.

Fox Glacier, South Island, New Zealand (Wikipedia)

After retreating for most of the previous 100 years it advanced between 1985 and 2009. In 2006, the average rate of advance was about a metre a week.

In January 2009, the terminal face of the glacier was still advancing.

CLIMATE CHANGE MEETING – BRIGHTON TOWN HALL, JUNE 15, 2006

1. CSIRO Scientist

As global warming occurs the coastline will change at 50<100 times the rise in sea level.

Expected sea level rise by 2070 is 70 to 550 mm

CSIRO graphs of ice core samples taken from the Antarctic show a sharp increase in CO2 and temperature from 200 years ago when the Industrial Revolution began.

CO2 and Temperature were stable for 50,000 years before this.

The independently collected Vostok Ice core samples go back further – 450,000 years.

There, the CO2 and temperature figures are matched to the time of the Industrial revolution, but the CO2 has been climbing at a faster rate than temperature since then

The Sea level has been rising an average 1.2 mm per year since 1900.

There has been a sustained reduction in sea ice in the Arctic.

The reduction in Antarctic sea ice has not been as dramatic, mainly occurring in West Antarctica.

CSIRO has been able to log historic weather patterns, then add anthropogenic forcing (actions by man – e.g. population growth, power use, vehicles etc)

Current predictions (World)  are:

0.4 to 2.0 degrees C warmer by 2030

1 to 6 degrees C warmer by 2070

In Australia the highest area of change will be the Kimberley region and the lowest Victoria and Tasmania.

There is no data to say whether the expected storm surges will be longer or shorter than in the past.

The increased rainfall intensity and sea level rise may challenge current drainage capacity.

November 27, 2009 – private discussion with former IPCC member.

There have been 8 ice ages in the last 1 million years – the world oscillates from warm to cold.

·        The greenhouse gas levels have oscillated in the same proportions

·        In 20,000 years we will oscillate into another Ice Age

·        Greenhouse Gases have a shorter term effect – decades to Centuries

·        Sun activity (sunspots etc.) have a decade to decade effect, e.g. in last century

·        Droughts have a year to decade (sometimes longer) effect

·        El Nino has a year to year effect

·        These effects can cause confusion over what is happening at any given time.

·        Today the warming is higher than any of the previous peaks, and that is the driving force.

·        Water evaporates and fractionates with isotopes

·        Gases are trapped so we know the level at that point

·        We are 90% sure the current trend is due to gases

·        There has been a satellite over the Antarctic for 6 years.

·        It measures gravity fields and can measure water mass

·        In the last five years, local sea level has risen 0.4 mm due to melt

·        In the same time the Greenland area has risen 0.6 mm

·        So in loose terms, Ice melt has accounted for a 1 mm sea level rise, or about 0.2 mm per year

·        Thermal expansion of the oceans due to temperature rise has increased sea level by 200 mm over the last century, or about 2 to 3 mm per year.

·        So thermal expansion is the more serious threat to our coasts

·        If barometrically, water rises higher and the winds are greater there will be non-linear damage

Pole Shift? Antarctic

Q: Parts breaking off the West Antarctic Ice Shelf, but Ice depth increasing on the eastern side. Could this be the start of a Pole Shift? (Piri Reiss map 1513 shows mountains and rivers)

A:  No, CSIRO has a satellite tasked above Antarctica measuring ice status.

Global Warming Myth – The Science is Settled

Myth: “97% of scientists agree that man-made global warming is real”

Professor Ian Pilmer investigated this claim and found:

A survey was sent to 10,200 scientists of random disciplines

Only 3,100 replied

The relevant responses were then whittled down to 77

75 agreed that man-made climate change was possible

This represents 2.4% of the 3,100 who replied.

Presidential Climate Panel (US)

Friday, 08 March 2019 Trump Climate Panel Could Expose Huge Fraud, Hence the Hysteria Written by Alex Newman

 The collective freak out over President Donald Trump's proposed Presidential Committee on Climate Science (PCCS) highlights the fact that the hysteria surrounding the man-made global-warming hypothesis is unscientific.

Indeed, there is a good chance that even more fraud could be revealed. The hysteria first broke out last month. In late February, documents emerged showing that the White House was planning to create a committee of federal scientists.

Their job: re-examine widely disputed conclusions on climate change by previous government bodies. Especially problematic to the man-made global-warming theorists was the prestigious scientist selected to lead the commission, Princeton University physicist and national security advisor Dr. William Happer.  

Of course, Happer is a widely respected scientist who happens to disagree with the increasingly discredited hypothesis that man's emissions of CO2 — a fraction of one percent of all the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere — control the climate.  

November 2019

The Presidential Committee startup is currently stalled. This would put some balance in the public discussion on global warming and lead to more care in publishing statistics.

CO2 emission not tested or regulated in new motor vehicles

Chart S2450 I’ve kept this emission regulation chart up to date since 1992.

It shows, to scale, Australia’s truck emission regulations. During that time we have reduced emission of NOx by 95%, and Particulates by 98.4%

Australia does not regulate CO2 for cars or trucks.

Our current standards are:

Light vehicles : ADR 79/04 (Euro V)

Heavy vehicles: ADR 80/03 (Euro V)

The Climate Change Authority has information indicating that a CO2 regulation was to be introduced in 2018 and defined by 2025, but this process doesn’t appear to have started. Based on a complaint by Toyota, it may be that the poor quality of Australian fuel makes it impractical.

My indignation stems from the anti-science trend of governments, egged on by the Murdoch press and an army of overpaid lobbyists for the coal industry.

 

Well you can ignore them because they have their own agendas; my question is about CO2 and I'm curious to see what your position is on CO2.

Show some intelligence and stop denying the facts. 

 

Incorrect.

 

Australia is the world's largest exporter of coal, so if you add our over dependence on burning it here to the vast amount of our coal burned by China, Sth Korea, etc, you can see we make a significant contribution to the problem. Worse, our LNP governments, despite their free-market rhetoric, openly talk about subsidising new coal burners.

 

Meanwhile, LNP governments have done plenty to hinder sunrise industries; as a result, much of our innovation goes overseas. With sensible leadership, Australia could within a decade be a powerhouse exporter of renewable energy. 

 

Instead, we have become ever more dependant on exporting the dirty fuel of yesterday- coal.

 

For those who cannot accept Australia could make a difference to climate change, remember that this country is very dependant on global trade and the good will of the international community.

 

For yonks I have been warning that we risk becoming an international pariah state because of our govenments's obstinant refusal to take this global issue seriously.

 

Remember what the world community did to Apartheid Sth Africa. 

 

I take it that the basis of your indignation is the hypothesis that CO2 causes global warming?

Mc Cormick threatened to sue "anyone" saying unkind things about his performance. When you take these jobs you are a  "Public" figure, not just a demagogue in an office, and some flak is part of the deal. If you can't take the heat,  don't go in the kitchen.  Lies, however  should not be tolerated, where they are evident  and there's some mechanism for correcting them. In that area the Individual comes a poor second to organisations like the CASA where some have had their lives ruined and don't have the resources to fight it.  Nev

 

Of course that goes both ways.

Well, there goes your aviation reporting credibility, right out the window. You'll be posting pics of a Cessna, next. 

 

Yes, just another journalist now

.........the throats of 247 members of Labor's extreme left who had been posing as posters.

"That cost me" thought the assassin who had been on a commission of $50,000 per leftie and moved ever closer to the Captain. once you got reasonably close your could smell him.  An hour later he sent a burst to Turbo: "Got Him,and was he whimpering as he went down"

in some ways Turbo regretted the hit, but orders were orders, and he was feeling quite sad when the phone rang and that raspy voice was on the line. A shiver ran through him and he crossed himself, and then quickly uncrossed himself because he wasn't a Catholic. "Care for a cup of coffee?" asked the Captain. On the way he sent a burst to the assassin. "He's alive, who did you kill?" a,d the amswer came back "The Captainj, couldn't miss him, he had a baggy green cap on"...................

Turbo, are you sure with your information, as to the aircraft being a C441?

 

Surely a C441 down, would be starting to appear everywhere in the news, by now? You're not getting mixed up with the Rossair crash?

 

The SAPOL have not modified their information, they are stating an RA-Aus investigation. They're the people on the ground.

 

I can find no C441 flights on any flight tracking history that have ended suddenly around Renmark. Not to say that all C441's are tracked.

 

You're correct, I pulled up the Rossair Aircraft; sorry about that, it's definitely not XMJ again, so could well be an RAA aircraft.

It says on the news reports RA-Aus investigators are on their way to the scene ?   Not for a GA aircraft ?

 

No, it is a GA aircraft, not an RA aircraft. Its a big twin.

They are a coalition of 23 Fire and Emergency Services  leaders from EVERY STATE AND TERRITORY so how could they just go to one State or the other? That would make no sense at all. This problem exists nationally not just in one State or Territory. It is Morrison and his government who refuse to accept Climate Change exists even though they publicly give lip service to it. Morrisons best effort is to be Hillsong smart and sing and pray the problem away. If it wasn't a serious issue it would be hilarious.

 

Each State and each Territory manages its own fire services, has its own department which manages forests, and any climate change issues (in Victoria, DELWP monitors and advises on climate change. The Commonwealth Government has no powers to interfere with them.

Each State Government reports to its own Governor and its Govenor reports to the Queen. The Commonwealth Government, as its name implies is a Commonwealth of States. Sometimes the States get together and agree to centralise; examples being a common Defence Force, and Commonwealth collection and distribution of Taxes.

When organisations have a Federal issue the normal process is to discuss it in their National meetings, decide what they want to do and where, and then each state division discusses the issue with the relevant State government.  

So in this case the 23 Fire and Emergency Service leaders should have gone to their State Government representatives.

From that point the issues in that State are either fixed/compromised/rejected.

In some cases, say where the States all agree that something should be done, but they don't have the finances, they will raise the matters at one of their regular combined meetings with the Commonwealth Government. In this case it would be State Fire and Emergency Ministers plus maybe State Environment Ministers meeting with the applicable Commonwealth Ministers. A decision might come out of that meeting that additional finance should be spent based on what was discussed and agreed at the meeting, and this is put in the budget, and everyone moves on with suitable changes to forestry/landscaping/track clearing/minimum distances around houses/removal of fuel load every year, firebreaks compulsory on every paddock/roadside trees dozed and grass removed every year, 600 new ground appliances, 15 more Skycranes, 6 more heavy tankers, and so on.

The Prime Minister doesn't even have to be involved, with the probable exception of approving the finance.

The five ex-Commissioners opted to bypass the normal management channels and go for maximum damage through the News Media, and since they aimed the gun at the Prime Minister, he had to respond, so there's no point in denigrating him or his religion when the real problem is a clown act by five people. Meanwhile the real fire people were out donating their time fighting fires.

They requested a meeting back in April but Morrison refused to meet them to discuss the problems that they forecasted and are now happening & they were turned down. They finally got a meeting with Littleproud this week. They did not choose to release it this week. It was Morrisons mob with their head in the sand attitude that forced the delay to this week.

 

What never ceases to amaze me is how many people just don't know how Australia is governed (six sovereign States). If they wanted to get a message across they needed to talk to the States and Territories. The Commonwealth certainly has some financial powers but on many things can't just march in and take the initiative. It's a Commonwealth of States.

We saw the same thing happen with power, where the States have the responsibility, and the same thing recenty with the Murray Darling Basin where the States were comfortably working to an agreement, but agitators had the news media calling for Commonwealth Royal Commissions, and wanting the Commonwealth government to "do something about it" (the drought), which leads to the temptation for the Federal government to do some electioneering by window dressing (example Turnbull's Snowy 2).

GA Aircraft, Cessna 441 Twin; big mess, amazing he got out.

........"this is just a friendly warning. I really am a CIA Operative, and have just received a flash to take care of OneTack. There is a hit man due in from Cuba at 0200 Eastern Time, which thrills me no end, because they're all the same, they never make contact, the double tap is all they know. There is a six man cleanup team arriving at 0700, which really p!sses me off, so if he wrecks a hotel room or you crap on the carpet, there's be no forensic evidence. Even if he catches you at the Burswood, the cameras will be wiped, so I'd suggest the Pilbara would be good for a holiday right now, even though it's full of red dogs these days, and   "

The ex fire commissioners report states Australia has actually risen on long term average by 1.9 degrees. That's a huge change for the driest continent.

 

No one has more to loose country wise-  bar flooded islands. 

 

But we are doing the absolute opposite of what we need to do.

 

What a pathetic lucky country we are.

 

The ex fire commissioners chose to release their information while the current hierarchy were flat out fightiong fires in two States, and that's unforgiveable. because they know the current management, the State Departments the State governments and the Federal government are flat out doing things like activating and moving iterstate crews to NSW and Qld, making decisions on deploying equipment and defence forces to NSW and Qld, ensuring local resources like fuel and food are available, stepping up BOM resources, providing financial support, accommodation, food (short and long term) for the vicims and financing the lot....and I've probably only covered a fraction of the workload.

These people haved had their photo op, and only gave a simple message aimed directly at the most gullible in the community, successfully stirring up trouble while there was no one available to put them in their place or address any issues they raised. If they genuinely wanted to contribut they could have waited until these fires play out and then addressed their concerns to their respective fire commands and State governments.

Either you have reported incorrectly what they said, or misunderstood what they were quoting, which might well have been their intention. An ex Commmissioner stands to make a fortune in consulting fees if temperature rise was proven and it was linked to the drying out of the continent.

In reference to the quoted long term temperature rise alleged to be 1.9 degrees; that's 1.9 degrees of what?

The issue of temperature rise, as stated by the CSIRO and the tiny number of qualified Meterology people around 2000 to 2002 related directly to the temperature of the Oceans, and the CSIRO had hundreds of temperature sondes floting around our surrouning oceans. The threat from temperature rise was expansion of the earth's sea water as the temperature rose which could lead to a large percentage of the world's population losing their living habitat around the coasts and on islands. The effects of expansion relegated water level rise due to melting ice to insignificance. The battle front was our coastlines.  The EU set a 2% water temp target  to prevent risk (coastal flooding).

Australia has two distinct weather patterns; monsoonal in the north where the rain comes in the hotter part of the year and the southern pattern where the rain comes in the winter. Each time I travel to Quensland I try to identify where the borderline of these two systems is, but it's so gradual that I haven't been able to work it out on the ground.

What we were told by the Greenhouse Gas experts at that very early stage (An Australian coined the name (Greenhouse Effect, was one of three advisers to the US President), was to expect a climate shift where Melbourne would have the weather pattern of Adelaide, and would be drier, but places like Mildura, Broken Hill, Cobar etc would get more rain and become greener, and a band across WA, NT, Queensland would become lush with rainforests and tropical rain.

The jury's out on whether that is happening or not happening but to quote one single temperatur figure and relate it to bushfires is clearly ridiculous.

I won't cover the flooded islands here, but when I get the time to pull the records, but that story was BS, and we know where it started.

I wouldn't say we are doing the opposite of what we need to do; the DC10 arrival today was great news, and should the predicted hot weather come in the next few days is the best option to blast the edges of towns.

.............numbered among the keen readers of the NES were the people of the Republic of South Africa, and they had short fuses. Even now, the warriors of the Khosa, Kikuyu, Matabele, and Zulu. They were banging their Assegais on the ground, and oiling up their AK47s.

"WHAT did he say?" roared Umbuku, the Zulu Chieftain who  had killed his first Lion at the age of 7..................

Similar concept to Scotty Wintons machine. Flying wings never seem to catch on except where money is no object such as military B2

 

Mainly because of the fright factor when the new pilot realises just how fast they can pitch.

You see a few around RC clubs where the power to ratio is many times what we can achieve in full size airctaft, and a burst of throttle will pull them out of a tumble.

The TREND is what matters . Warming oceans affect weather patterns. The WET in the North is less reliable. Cyclone intensity and areas affected are changing and the reason is known.  These LOWS now go further south ..    Warm air holds a lot more moisture and the moisture in cyclones by Latent heat of vapourisation, is what determines their intensity. They die out over land as the moisture isn't there to keep the energy up.

 

     It's a bit esoteric to claim that a particular event is NOT a result of climate changing, Perhaps technically so, but it's hiding the truth. A lot of changes  indicates TRENDS. The greenhouse gas effect has been known for ages. The current figure is measured independently at points over the world. None show a reduction No new glaciers are forming . Tibet Ice is diminishing( The 3rd POLE) and when that continues  about 1/3rd of the world's population will have to  fight for the diminishing  water supply and  food production will rapidly decrease and Chaos will reign essentially right on our doorstep. China has about half of the dams in the world within it's borders. Dams all silt and are not long term a good idea. They often deny downstream people the water they used to get Egypt ,Mexico, Israel and plenty of other

 

places are examples .Fresh water will be the new GOLD/ OIL that wars start over.  Nev

 

I WONDERED who that was stumbling along behind the kids marching about the end of the world. I'll see what interesting gems I can pull out from the early predictions of the IPCC which you are quoting, compared to now.

El Nino and La Nina cycles have more of a bearing on our fire risk than global warming because the Oscillations and depths of warm/cold, wet/dry range a lot more than say a mean average increase of 1%

....HQ and headed for the Big O as the three locals liked to call it. Two water pumps and a coil later he pulled in to the Run Down Motel where the receptionist Charlene had moonlight in her eyes, but "better bring a paper bag" on her face. (She'd read Bill Bryson's book).

Later, as he approached the OO pub and heard the language of the miners he did what he always does and started whimpering. He picked up his B;ackberry and dialed "Is that you Fakir?" he asked meekly. Unfortunately the line wasn't good  and Bashir mistook what he said and let out a string of oaths, but Captain was desperate and said "I want to come home!"   

"Ok" said Bashir, "we cut your head off tomorrow".  This gave Captain some food for thought..........

Some very good fire information in this thread, but we are drifting over to the twilight zone.

The science of Global Warming is far from settled, but in any case Global Warming doesn't have much to do with bushfires other than the original IPCC claim that we would be seeing more and more intense storms, which could help more than hinder us.

For three or four months every year the fuel load is dry enough and warm enough to take out houses. What it needs is someone to light a fire accidentally or deliberately (or in some cases other sources like lightning).

In fire events where there is a high temperature and a strong wind, the fuel load becomes irrelevent because the fire front is travelling above the fuel load at the speed of the wind lighting a new front several kilometres ahead of the main fire (and claimed 30 -40 km in the current fires).

In past fires, whole valleys where there is evaporation from Eucalypts, have had aerial explosions which lit the whole valley.

There's a lot more to know about fires than what fits on social media posts.

The degree of destruction follows the weather conditions on the day the fire starts until the day it is put out.

An example is this week a youth lit a fire(s) in NSW which burnt out 36 structures. The youth was the factor, not global warming.

This morning, we are told, a new fire in NSW was lit by a man who decided to back- burn to save his Cannabis crop.

As traumatic as it is for the homes and lives which have been lost in the current NSW and QLD fires, they are dwarfed by some of the really big fires.

In the Black Thursday fires of 1851, 5 million hectares were burnt. The temperature was 47 degrees C

On Red Tuesday, February 1891, 260,000 hectares were burnt

On Black Friday January 13, 1939, 2 million hectares were burnt.

The temperature was 45.6 degrees and there was a strong northerly wind.

These towns were completely destroyed:

·        Woods Point

·        Narbethong

·        Noojee

·        Hill End (never rebuilt)

·        Nayook West (never rebuilt)

69 sawmills were destroyed

650 buildings were destroyed

71 people died

Ash from the fires fell in New Zealand

A Royal Commission found the cause was careless burning combined with a heatwave.

Two days later, the 15th, even with the limited fire fighting equipment available, rain fell and all the fires were out.

......none of which were earned in real battles or even surveillance of a Prime Minister, although if they gave out medals for surveillance of the Gumly Gumly CWA rooms, he could certainly be authenticated.

There were other instances of him faking it, but the records had to be sealed due to the gruesome evidence.

Turbo would like to digress for a moment to pint out the relentless nit-picking he goes to. In  #10924 there is a very subtle dig at Turbo, inferring that Turbo doesn't know what a calibre is. For those not familiar with rifles, the calibre is the diameter of the bullet in inches or mm, so a half inch bullet would be a .50 calibre, and the preferred Sniper round.

Not many people know that Turbo is a Designated Marksman (Sniper) and is called on by the ADF to solve problems; he was given special permission to use his own Winchester shotgun with its barrel filled and rebored to .50" Trigger creep has been reduced, overtravel tuned up. He spurns telescopic sights and even takes into account the Coriolis effect (Coriolis was Bernouli's neighbour) where a bullet in flight flys arrow straight, but the earth continues to spin, so if he is facing north he aims one finger to the left and vice versa.  He loads hollow tails and the advantage of the old Winchester is that the cartridge is much bigger than normal, for greater velocity. We don't want to scare anyone, but at 2 kilometres a wild pig becomes two wild pigs so to speak. Various Defence forces have said his hand made Ghillie Suits are the best they've ever seen. On one British Range a doubting Colonel screamed when Turbo had crawled up so close that he just reached up and grabbed him by the balls. His drag bag, which he tows by a rope around his leg is usually one of the scrubbers from the local Mess.

We've gone into this detail (which is Classified, so please don't tell anyone) to point out that DMs (Designated Marksmen), don't refer to their firearms as "decimal 50 cailber", they just say 50 calbre, and this is positive proof that the Captain is indeed a miltary fake, and wouldn't know if a tram was up him unless the conductor range the bell..........

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