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Of course we have all done it. Like we let our kids back the car out of the driveway. I have n ancient memory of my grandfather having me on his lap while driving his car.

 

I wonder what the separation is between, say a person, with no more knowledge of how to fly than that gained on a flight sim, jumping into a plane alone and trying to fly it, and allowing the person you are taking for their first flight in a light aircraft have a feel of the controls while you keep an eye on what they are doing?

 

There you go into that tempting path, but you would have zapped people who said "I know I shouldn't drink but I'm OK with a few."

 If you have not been trained as an instructor how are you going to know what you don't know?

How do you know the person isn't going to freeze on the controls? A lot do, and if they do, as an untrained person, how do you respond without breaking linkages.

We've talked about the reaction time for sub-conscious response at around 50/100 second, vs reactive thought response as long as 3 to 4 seconds, but that's after you've been correctly trained to react to your normal control inputs. How much longer when someone does something totally unexpected which flicks the aircraft into an unstable position - like I did.

The average person up for a flight thinks you turn with the rudder like a boat etc.

Sorry, I wrote #279 in bed on the phone early yesterday morning. It's full of typos which can't be corrected, but it's still easy enough to follow, except that the first paragraph after Defendants should read: "We should NOT discuss them."

The reasons are they may be sub judice and we are not lawyers.

....singlet trying to mimic Taylor Swift, and sing his Country songs. It was a sad sight because the key he sang in belonged in a door, and the pitch at times was like fingernails on a blackboard.

It wasn't always like this though. Not many people know that the Captain was a Vietnam War Veteran. He was a Sergeant then, carried a machine gun and pioneered the Australian technique of clearing out the Viet Cong tunnels by going down head first on the grounds that he could see to shoot faster. He'd never tell you, but he won both the Australian VC and the US Medal of Honour, and has a place reserved for him at Arlington National Cemetery.

He keeps his medals in an old vegemite jar out in the shed.

After the war he suffered terribly from PTSD, but his life changed for the better when he found Country Music and started writing songs. In those days people would come from near and far to hear him sing at the BoB. Turbo drove up from Melbourne once a month.

He was so good. He'd walk out on to the stage in his black denim, never told anyone why it was black, (it was for the members of his platoon that didn't make it, and this was what put so much feeling into the songs.)

Mo Pitney recently released his version of "Who's gonna fill their shoes" Mo sings about US singers, but this song was written about the Captain. I won't mention his stage name because the memory of that era should be preserved intact.

Here's Mo's song about the Captain:    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV9NZSGIa4

......pommes de terre pur avois dupois. Mais dejune il mange oeufs.............

Today the news is that a Russian captain had a woman friend in the RH seat, doing gentle turns. It is not clear if this was on a passenger flight. What put the cat among the pigeons is that video was posted of it.

 

In Australia it is not legal to allow a non pilot to control the plane, but who is to know who does what on a light plane with only one passenger. In some cases I would consider an unqualified passenger a safer bet than some of the commercial pilots we have now.

 

There will always be a few fools.

The last time this subject came up someone boasted he had allowed a rusty GA pilot to "practice", and first flight the freshly "trained" pilot made in his new RA aircraft, he tumped it into the ground and wrote it off on the landing.

There was another clown proudly "instructing" a very nervous RA owner a few years ago.

Neither of these "instructors" had had any training as instructors to be able to correct the erratic things that non pilots can do.

I've told the story before of my experience as a kid where the instructor took a Chipmunk up to height, and then said "your aircraft" and I flicked it over and tried to hold a 90 degree turn, next feeling an enormous g pressure and seeing the sky, the ground and the sky; that would be a great experience for a pilot who hsn't had instructor training to recover from.

"...I can neither confirm nor deny what's going into these flying submarines, but can only say they will be more versatile than submarines which have been built from before the first world war until now. The government has realised the biggest disadvantage of submarines of the past was that they operated under the sea, where they couldn't see what was happening on land, and we're going to change that and......"

..............set,  Turbo mistakenly said to Lindsay one day "ךאפתאינ יס א סמארתארסע" not realising Lindsay spoke fluent Hebrew after years of coaching by his friend Sol, and Lindsay snapped back "All I want is a little bit of profit" and Turbo thought "I should od kept my mouth shut!."

Turbo doesn't remember the Amal, must have been popular in the previous generation, when.......

[Note to NES readers: What the Captain said was "your father has a fat chest"]

7 minutes ago, w3stie said:

 

This popped up on another forum.

 

Now all you need to do is explain what a fet cet award relates to.

IAG profits are up,  Shares given to the exect's are up. Dividend to shareholders is 1% DOWN.

 

You control where your money is invested.

Turbo respectfully responds to the Captain's accusation of writer's block, with the observation that the rest of us were lucky enough to have been in Prep the day we were were taught to spell "of", but he'll attempt to respond to the Captains cleverly constructed lead.

".......radiator [truck term].  As Paula says all the time, I'm a simple man, and after you skun me with the deal we made carting your cat products, the last thing I need is another poser landing his helicopter next to our compound at Portsea and..."

Then you'll have no trouble understanding why legislative drafting is related to this issue.

 

I notice that neither you nor DenisPC9 have provided any information on how legislative drafting is an issue here.

Just to recap on what was said in the Australian story:

"There has been an explosion of Class Action claims funded by overseas Litigation Funders."

So the issue is Class Actions and the way they are funded, not insurance or the Acts the cases are decided under.

The process of a law being made in Australia, let's say to reduce stray dogs, is that general thoughts are put together and The "Stray Dogs Bill 2019" is written up as a draft, and debated in both Houses. If it approved it becomes the Stray Dogs Act 2019.  Legislative drafting, which most here say they hate because they can't understand it, is involved in setting the words for that Bill and Act.

There's no suggestion of any fault by any Legislative Drafter in the Australian story.

What the story IS about is a spike in Class Actions, and the story actually names the key plaintiff lawyers and defendants.

Plaintiff Lawyers:

Maurice Blackburn

Shine Lawyers

Slater & Gordon

William Roberts

Defendants

Westpac

Domino's Pizza

Bayer Australia

Santos

Volkswagen Australia

Woolworths

I didn't take it to imply any wrongdoing by any of these organisations, and we should discuss them; some cases may not be complete.

[a group] "have called for the government to address the spike in class action claims in the past two years"

It's unlikely the government is going to interfere, or be allowed to interfere in the business of independent Courts.

The basis of this is to rein in class action cases "before they damage the economy."

This is much the same as where plaintiffs in the past claim they couldn't have avoided the accident because they didn't have enough money to fit the necessary safety equipment, and the Courts have universally rejected that as an excuse.

There were "54 Class Action cases last year, the majority backed by overseas litigation funders."

The overseas litigation funders appear to be the enemy.

Australians are mostly aware of the no win no fee deal in single claims, where if the lawyer loses the case he doesn't charge you a fee, but if he wins the case he gives you a percentage of the payout, and the downside that if he loses the case you will usually be paying the other side's or whatever the contract states. 

There have been plenty of comments about greedy lawyers, but in any case, they have no gaurantee they're going to win, and the bigger the case, the more elaborate the research and analysis has to be, to the point where if a case involves more than one country, the law firm may need to spend millions of dollars hiring specialists and obtaining evidence.

They might appear to be greedy based on the published settlements, but in reality they are in a very risky business. One of the plaintiff lawyers listed above, Slater and Gordon did so well they expanded overseas, then were all but wiped out and are just a shell of what they used to be.

Another on the list is Shine Lawyers, Erin Brokovitch's firm, and she recently said that although the film about her life ended with a big Class Action win, she is still fighting the same people about the same thing they were alleged to be doing decades ago

The Litigation Funders fit in as support for this highly volatile situation, and we could assume would have some terms and conditions in relation to supporting the legal firm, which would be subject to the same Australian laws than and other Australian suppliers are subject to.

The Australian story went on to outline a wish list by which Litigation Funders could be made to walk away.

Whether that would stack up against our ASIC marketing safeguards is nother matter.

There was a segment in the story about Directors and Officers Insurance which is unrelated to PL business. While some claims can be relatively high, they may well be small enough for a big company to self insure, but that's not the case with PL.

Once again, this story doesn't relate to our tiny recreational aviation industry, unless someone hits a regular passenger aircraft, and even then you would probably have to hit a jumbo to activate what was talked about in the story

These people all claim they are worth the money they are paid, because of the long hours they work, the stress they are under, and the family life they forgo.

 

LOL, we all tried that. I can remember one time thinking I'd made it, I had hit the big time and had never thought about the people on the factory floor until a manager pointed out that they were earning more than me because the minute they worked past closing time they were still paid for every minute, with plenty of double time and some triple time while I would be out feeding the factory with orders sometimes working several straight 7 day weeks, or working on tenders until 4 am, grabbing a couple of hours sleep, then starting again.

The business theme being flooded these days is Execution of the Plan, and the bonuses are usually tied,up and down to direct results.

Directors are often looking for a foolproof win and pick a person with a track record of success, and offer him a percentage of profit. As I mentioned earlier relating to Qantas, if the person produces a huge profit and is paid a huge salary, from the shareholders point of view, it was worth it to get a decent dividend on their investment.

Socialists can never understand this principle, and people comparing companies locked into industries which can only ever produce around 0.5% on turnover, also have difficulties understanding other industries where exponential growth is possible.

Some examples of employees who have produced massive expansions for the companies they worked for are:

Alfred P Sloan, General Motors

Gunboat Smith, ACI

Eric Dunshea, Pacific Dunlop who was put in charge in 1968 and doubled earnings on assets by 1970. He died in 1972 but the momentum continued for a few years with this Australian company supplying tyres, rubber gloves, condoms and ice cream to the Australian people.

There's no doubt that some get lucky because of a trend in their industry, or because the hard work of their predecessor carried momentum beyond his departure, and there are many companies where directors have been fooled into ridiculous agreements.

And there are others who set themselves a modest salaray and fire themselves if there's a downturn.

If you want to see an example of a small group of people who extracted trillions of dollars from a zero start, read the book Dark Pools by Scott Patterson.

Read the article.......

 

I did.

....put his own bike and a stuffed effigy of himself in the Legends Museum; how embarrassing, how.......

Hmmm, I read a small article in the Sydney Morning Herald from memory some 4 - 5 years ago, the gist of it being that the Brit Govt told the Australian Govt that it would no longer train Australian Legislative Draftsmen.  No reasons were given and there was never any follow by anyone.

 

Reading articles like this and many, many others where Aust law is full of loopholes and escape clauses I can understand the actions of the Brit Govt.

 

We certainly need to lift our standards with Legislative Drafting

 

How does Class Action packaging have anything to do with Legislative Drafting?

.......Turbo would take the Corvette down there on a quiet day and drive round and round, and still holds the record for the most number of laps; he never did find out where the penguins come ashore.

The Phillip Island track fieries must also have been using ice cream quite early; there was an old riddle: "How many fieries can you fit on a Holden 1 tonner?" Answer: "Two"

It's good that the Captain has raised PI  (as us crossovers know it). In those years he breathlessly followed his heroes, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis JR who formed the Rat Pack, and fancied himself as one of them; even had a rat avatar, stank like one too, and called himself the racing rat, on his pink Suzuki. He was an entertainment drawcard, because you'd see the International riders come flying through, dragging the footpegs along the ground and other sh!t that bikies do and then at the end of the field we'd see the rat, sitting erect, giving it bursts of throttle, and holding both legs out wide at every corner. Where it got entertaining was about lap three where some drivers would lean down, their upper torsos flying under his legs and you could hear him screaming "Stop it, STOP IT!"  Those were the days.......

" I'd rather bitch about his exorbitant salary and perks than who wears the pants in his domestic life. "

 

I'll second that, Less $millions, (upper management salary) could mean less $ for seats

 

That lower seat price, should be welcomed by millions of flying public.., not just to keep a dozen bureaucrats happy.

 

spacesailor 

 

Without him you would have had no airline, so you would be sitting on the ground and probably complaining about the poor management of Qantas.

His salary is not set on the same basis as a person who works for $ per fixed hour week doing pre-arranged tasks.

He works pretty much the same was as a sales person on commission works; sell nothing, earn nothing, sell a bit grudging commissions, sell a lot and make a lot = bitching about how much you earn compared to the admin staff followed by a reduction in commission percentage.

The Melbourne Fire Brigade issued a Press Release saying they’d been trying to tell Chairman Dan and his red shirts that Victoria’s volunteer anti communist CFA were still using water to try to put out fires. “We at MFB” said Arthur Fattocks “switched to ice cream years ago. Ice cream is cold, fires are hot, just makes sense” he continued “and you can take your meals on the job........”

"Oh NO!, that will get Victoria's IBAC looking for what I accidentally posted about us on September 27, 2009" cried Turbo "I may have to leave the Country and hole up in the Ecuadorian Embassy and................

.......that's him, that dastardly piece of flotsam who hides.......

.[you want a request form for sick leave?]

.....Oh No Captain, don't DON't tell that story about...........

..........not Commander of a strike force, and he's so good at telling others what to do that he's in demand virtually seven days a week.

Gladys Berylfeloffabicycle recently said he was in line for an Award (which was political speak, missing the part ....and the line is seven kilometres long)

Turbo regularly advises Ahlocks and in return gets information which will never be released to the general population.

For example, on his last trip, they drove for a couple of hours, stopped for ice creams, broke a windscreen on the next leg, stopped for ice creams, had a look around from a safe vantage point, left the strike vehicle at the airport flew home to the old Blue Oyster Bar, which had been renamed the Bespoke Oyster Bar to attract Y Generation patrons. As we all know but don't repeat, Captain was banned from the BOB after.........

Alan Joyce belongs in this forum more than a lot of fringe comment, because it was his policies, which virtually no one in the industry agreed with, which not only brought Qantas back  from potential extinction, but gave it a sound future.

I can't remember if he got involved in the gay marriage campaign, which I believe has done massive harm to our society because the people involved were never going to stp there.

However, I have known two gay couples for several decades. They don't campaign, are totally committed to each other, just wired differently to us.

The announcement was worth making, but doesn't need to be turned into a circus.

Fuel exhaustions are not unknown in GA but seem to be prevalent in RA.

Facthunter made the important point about not flying to the extent that a fuel exhaustion may occur.

Some of the lessons I learnt is that you may have to spend an hour or more diverting around a storm, or you may be faced with a situation at your destination where an aircraft had flopped down gear-up right in the middle of it and you have to find another airfield.

The story of the two RPT flights heading for Adelaide where they flew around the holding points (in Bruce's "Vacant" CTA) that they had to make an emergency diversion to Mildura, and then found it was socked in, with one pilot just getting enough ground visibility to land and then running out into the middle of the runway and talking the second aircraft in just by the sound of its engines (I wonder where that report's at) shows that sometimes not even the mandatory reserves are enough.

..........excise 30 km of the Chinese border.

Turbo, who has been suffering from a fractured picklefork,  was unavailable for this expedition, but offered to....