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36 minutes ago, aro said:

The lock downs might be under the authority of the CHOs, and recommended by the CHOs, but regardless of where the legal authority lies you can guarantee the decisions are made by the governments.

 

If the CHOs were making the decisions there would be much less variation from state to state. They would follow what has been proven to work rather than reflect the politics of the leaders.

 

The body language of Kerry Chant in one of the Sydney press conferences has been commented on widely - it was pretty clear that she did not agree with what was being announced, despite being named as the person responsible.

No doubt when the CHO and staff sit down with the Cabinet and say, Tomorrow at 11:49 pm the State is going to do this, there would be emotional politicians on the other side of the table saying "Impossible, you must be crazy" or whatever politicians do, and no doubt a CHO might waver. However, here on this site it would be a big breakthrough in some quarters if everyone understood that Scomo does not have the power to stick out his tongue like a gecko and pull in the RFS Commander of NSW when there's a busfire going, or a CHO when there's a pandemic. If we understand how the system is designed to work and who has the power and who doesn't that's a good start.

Offsetting your Kerry Chant story the Victorian Health Minister a few days ago when Melbourne was about to open up, could have said "Yes, Go ahead" when a journalist suggested a good idea. Instead his body language said yes and his mouth said "We'll be taking the CHO advice on that one, but it's quite possible.

Fortunately in Victoria, we've had good proof that the decisions are not made by governments as you suggest, when in investiagtive journalist from the Age was allowed free access inside the Department of Health and Human Services, and wasn't that an eye opener. The CHO is certainly the front man, but the Department, having been trapped by that long lockdown last year was rapidly changed to a decentralised configuration, bringing in sotware specialists, and sending their brightest stars out into the suburbs where the spread was starting, so they could start swatting down outbreaks in a fraction of the time of the old vertically integrated paper driven DHHS. I've seen a lot of corporate changes, and this would have to have been one of the fastest and best Australia has seen. The results have reflected the changes. Within Victoria Barwon Health have knocked down outbreaks in Colac and Geelong that I'm aware of.

The variations from State to State reflect the State Departments of Health in action within their State as we would expect.  The CHOs do have a panel coordinating some information, but things are probably happening too fast for the Commonwealth's CMO led team to form Australia-wide policies. With the results Australia is getting that wouldn't be high on the agenda anyway, just a lot of Health people doing a stunning job all round the country.

1 minute ago, cscotthendry said:

At the rate we're going, Scomo's target of 80% vaccinated before we get back to “normal” looks unachievable. The anti-vaxxers are multiplying by the day and I don't understand their motives or reasoning. I do however, suspect that a very successful disruption campaign is being waged by someone via social media. In the US the choice to vaccinate or not has become highly partisan. I can see some direct actors pushing it there, but I suspect some others doing it behind the scenes as well.
Here in Oz, it doesn't have the party political flavour to it, and it could just be the effect of “If the US sniffles, we catch a cold”. But the effect is the same. The anti-vaxxers are preventing all of us from returning to any normalcy and I'm bloody angry at them for that!

In the US case the Country doesn't have the same Separation of Power that we have and Trump was initially able to derail Fauci and any other epidemiologist raising a head, and we saw state governors doing their own thing to try to stop the spread to the point where contact tracing couldn't be used and they, like the UK then opted for the next best thing, the vaccinations, and the phase we are seeing is the much slower effect of quelling by vaccination vs quelling by lockdown. It's going to be a long and costly lesson over there as inevitably someone infected drives through the no-vaxx states.

Australia has perfected the below the line secret political campaign where most peple don't see the campaign in action. It more or less started with the "Hawkeie's getting old and losing it" whispers to get Paul Keating elected PM, a repeat with John Howard, "kill Tony Abbott" and so on.   As much as this pandemic has nothing much to do with politicians except the water carrying, someone has managed to latch on to the anti-vaxxers with this campaign using Albo's words the "vaccination programme is a debacle". It is in terms that we all want it first and we all want it now, but around April last year the Government announced that we were on track for vaccine production, overeseas testing and TGA approval to allow a rollout starting March this year, which it did. I received a callup from my GP or a first AZ vaccination on March 31, with the second vaccination on June 23 admittedly with the advantage of living in a city. No debacle there, but that orderly process was ripped apart by the Europeans taking the Pfizer allocations, then the panic rushes overwhelming the vaccination centres, then the empty centres as we waited with bated breath for the next Astra Zeneca death to feature on National Television, the background top the person's life, the children left behind, an A Grade below the line campaign. We didn't get the ten or twenty fold rollout of TV for the aspiring takers, the four road deaths per day with associated family left behind, police telling us we had to behave better, the four medical negligence deaths per day with the follow up Current Affair segment of who forgot to take the forceps out before the wound was sewn up. We didn't even get the statistics for AZ vs the other vaccines or AZ vs no vaccine, just those haunting scenes of the toung mother no longer with us - vintage below the line. Who's pushing it; hard to tell except there's a stack of money to be made if everyone goes back to work, the international borders are eopened up and whoever dies, dies.

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19 minutes ago, RFguy said:

Fortunately I only had to deal with it for 25 minutes.

I'm curious though that I wasn't concerned,  but i was uncomfortable in a way I just cannot describe.

 

Have others had this experience ? My first.  

 

It was NOT like bumps and thermals and sinks, and like flying over the hot dirt in summer at 500 feet. That's different. 

 

Glen-

Yes, and probably most of us, it's one of the downsides of travelling by light aircraft.

It's also a good example of getting some experience; puts a different view on the Students who do all their flying in the one package - PPL in 3 weeks, then off of a trip around Australia without ever having experienced a crosswind, heat sink, wind shear and your experience.

Sounds like you handled it methodically.

56 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

As I said before Turbs me old mate - if you dont think the grubby hand of Government(s)/politicians, is not heavily influencing its public servants, in this case Chief Medical Officer(s),  its you that's dreaming. I wish you were right on this but unfortunately, near 30 years a public servant, has convinced me you are completely naive in your position/comments. Sorry!

So what are the CHOs doing wrong Skippy, Tell us?

Is this the end of Rotax - OP post"

I thought a good place to look would be Austria, since it’s home to Rotax.

We are constantly being beaten up in Australia about poor CO2 emission performance compared to places like Europe in terms of EV take up.

In Australia EV market share, rose to 0.75% of the total new vehicle market last year but has dropped back 0.5%.

I was surprised to find Austria’s was only 5.48% early last year.

I was even more surprised to find that the figures had been doctored by being padded with Hybrid market figures.

When the Hybrids were taken out the genuine EV market was just 3.01%

Based on that, I wouldn’t expect to see too much government interference with Rotax coming from Austria.

In Australia we don’t measure CO2 in Motor Vehicles; one of the reasons being CO2 output is dependent on the combination of vehicles and fuel quality burnt.

We don’t measure CO2 output in recreational aircraft, which would be insignificant, and I didn’t find any mention of it in Austrian documents, so we could probably be confident that the end of Rotax is not imminent.

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27 minutes ago, onetrack said:

This is the risk everyone faces every day, just refuelling your vehicle (or aircraft) with petrol!

 

It is very important that you do not keep getting in and out of seats (usually made from synthetic materials), while you're wearing clothing that facilitates static buildup!

 

A lot of anti-battery people seem to forget that they're already carrying a sizeable electrical power hazard, just in your regular lead acid battery! At the scene of any crash, the first thing you should do, is cut or unscrew battery terminals!

 

 

 

All the potential hazards and characteristics of a fuel/power type should be included in any analysis, and the includes the potential frequency of the event.

Also what it takes to reduce the risk of the event.

1 hour ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Exactly, which was my reference to the state governments who did act decisively 

I just want to make it clear in the light of your post above that the lockdown decisions are made by the people appointed to make them, the Chief Health officers and NOT by the State Governments. The video certainly seems to have entertained some people, along with setting off an apparent grubby politician trend, but has very little to do with Australia.

11 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I am still struggling to see how this is what the grubby government want? Don't get me wrong, the government is grubby - no doubt about it, but they would rather not have to lock people down and pay for it; although it did manage to find its way into some business people's wallet who didn't need it, so I suppose the government will consider it job done!

 

But what are the government getting out of it? Are they exercising more control to their benefit over the people by imposing lockdowns when required? I am not seeing it. Apart from the restriction of movement, what more control do they have that is enduring (remember, state of emergency has to be renewed, and famously Dan Andrews wanted 12 months and didn't get it).

The Johns Hopkins University of Medicine figures for July 30 are:

UK: 129,718 dead - (191.1 deaths per 100,000 people)

USA: 611,801 dead - (184.8 deaths per 100,00 people) - 321 more died while I was collating figures.

Australia: 923 dead - (3.6 deaths per 100,000 people)   

New Zealand: 26 dead - (0.5 deaths per 100,000 people)

This is the performance you are commenting on.

I'm not sure why you'd be calling our government grubby, because the Commonwealth Government is not calling the lockdowns. They are being called by 8 State and Territory Chief Health Officers, and the State and Territory Premiers and First Ministers then set the plan to achieve what the medical people want. The medical people are informed by their own medical groups and whatever they call on in terms if Universities etc to crunch the numbers and Contact tracing requires a lot of number crunching to produce the precision we've seen.

The State Government controls the life of the Declaration of Emergency. Once they drop the hammer on that it's the CHO who calls all the health shots such as lock downs, policies etc.   

The State and Territory Governments are about evenly divided between Labor and Coalition around the Country. What the Commonwealth Government did do early was establish a National Cabinet made up of Commonwelath, State and Territory leaders, and this has worked extremely well because it tones down some of the more extreme moves and lifts the game generally and helps the States and Territories get an even deal from the Commonwealth.

All of this has led to the overall performance to date.

This "separation of power" has allowed all governments to do their daily work as well, and during the pandemic Australia's unemployment rate has dropped to less than 6%, and it quickly climbed out of recession and currenty has a sound economy.

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Pre vaccination, there was a need to lockdown and it appears the pollies whose party pockets are lined by business were the ones not wanting to do it. Gladys is now paying the price; SFM famously got the federal government to join the constitutional action initiated by Clive Palmer to keep the WA borders open. When he realised it was going to cost him more votes than Palmer's dirty donation money could buy, he decided that it wasn't a good idea after all.

There has been constant pressure from the sidelines and media to open up whenever there's a lockdown, the pressure coming from people who want to make money and don't care if others die. They've lost, and it shows the benefit of having medical decisions made at arms length from government.

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Sadly, there is a vocal minority who think that this is some conspiracy theory to allow governments to seize control, but what other rights are under attack as a result of this? And the governments seem to want to open up as soon as practical; they have not continued the lockdown when the numbers show they don't need to.. so where is this control grab coming from - as opposed, to say anti-terror laws used for non-anti-terror events?

You're right. Plenty in the media have been playing it one way one day and the opposite the next. But in the end it's just hot air; the decisions are being made on medical facts. I'm not aware of any of the governments trying to sieze control, and there is plenty of Opposition work going on about political work. Certainly there's been a block of people, different people at different times complaining bout abuse of their legal rights, apparently not aware that a State of Emergency takes some of them away, so there's an opportunity for an extra subject at schools called "How a Government works", and they could provide handouts for a third of the population of Australia.

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Happily, the Aus electorate seems to back the governments taking a responsible approach - What was the WA election result, again? And the Qld result? I am not sure how Dan Andrews will do in the next election, but his popularity seems to have increased; while the pollies who were more "liberal" with the lockdown requirement and fighting COVID seem to be struggling at the moment (of course,  COVID is not the only factor dragging them down).

You're right; the governments in power have the momentum, the CHO's will disappear into oblivion when this ends because we are dumb enough, and I mean really dumb, to vote for just two people in a State or Federal election, and not all the people who are good at doing their jobs.

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Australia is a free country - and you have a choice to take the vaccine or not - no one is going to force you and they're not going to kill you if you don't.. But when Aus has reached the critical mass of vaccinations, well, according to The Age today, the lockdowns will stop and normality will resume - for those who are vaccinated. I can't see an employer of, say airline pilots allowing a non-vaccinated pilot into the cockpit.. I could be wrong.. And it is [currently] a pretty tough job to do from home. Similarly, I can't see too many airlines allowing unvaccinated people a seat on an aircraft when economics dictate that they no longer want to force social distancing.. But this won't be the government impressing the rules on us.

 

The UK is now out of lockdown with c. 65% of the adult population vaccinated. Virtually all hospitalisations and deaths in the UK (125 deaths the other day) are non vaccinated people. Some businesses won't accept customers without face coverings - I still wear mine because I know there is c. 35% of the population still yet to be vaccinated and I don't want to pass it on to them. Anecdotally, 95% of people still do. Seems the government here has relinquished its control. So much for that conspiracy theory..

 

But, hey.. still think its a conspiracy theory? As I have said before, get together with like minded people and throw a COVID party as people did during the first lockdown.. And make sure at least one person has it. The new Delta variant should do the trick. Sadly a few caught the earlier strain COVID from the party and died. It wasn't long before their friends and family believed the urgency of the situation.

That's all yet to be decided but it appears that both non-vaccinated and vaccinated people will continue to spread the virus, but vaccinated people will not get seriously ill or die. That has a one-way ending for people who reject vaccination, so doesn't need regulating. What's being worked on is getting ready for openeing up Australia to overseas travel again, and there's a huge disparity around the world, so some form of instant vaccination confirmation will be needed.

Well I guess you saw how safe.

Other than finding out this big battery could power South Australia for 120 minutes (vs the SA battery's 40 mins) we haven't  learnt much publicly from this fire, other than to add another factor into any "zero emissions claims", so before it's started operaton it's racked up a huge IRAE event (Industrial Residual Air Emission) which will need to be factored in to future forward planning of the electricity grid, along with the CO2 required to produce the exotic batteries. From the South Australia experiment we know that any dream of a battery powered future from sun or wind is out of the question, but these big batteries have a part to play in speeding up the addition of power to the grid during the time it takes to crank up coal-fired power plants to peak production. In any comparisons we need warts and all figures.

1 hour ago, Jaba-who said:

What’s really annoying is the “no-lockdown” brigade  talking and acting like there is a no lockdown option. 
everyone has to realise there’s are only two options and they both involve lockdowns. 
1. lockdowns and control spread before the deaths and overrunning of health services happen

or

2. Lockdown after we have  lost control and the deaths have happened and the health system can’t cope. 
 

At the moment there are NO other options. 

Yes, and Australia is doing so well with the lockdown/contact tracing policy compared with other countries who've let their people loose, which unsurprisingly spreads it. Victoria's trigger for lockdown is the point where the known infection number is enough that if the spread continues at the current rate, the hospitals wold be overwhelmed, so quite a controlled situation.

49 minutes ago, RossK said:

extract from an ABC article from last year on Victorias lockdown;

 

As the city's first-ever widespread curfew came into effect at the weekend, 5 million people suddenly found themselves living in a dystopian novel.

Police now patrol the streets with expanded powers, smashing the car windows of those who refuse to give their details.

Pre-recorded government messages ring out over loudspeakers in empty train stations warning of the virus.

Door-to-door checks are being carried out by police and Defence Force troops.

And those caught on the streets between 8:00pm and 5:00am now need to carry government papers to prove they are allowed out.

If you watch or listen to the ABC instead of checking your State's Department of Health official statements and the State/Territory CHO and Leader's statements you deserve what you finish up with. Same goes with the morning TV News - it usually has the presenter's spin, designed to produce a reaction. This morning on Channel 9 we were treated to  an official from Merrylands Councils in Sydney explaining how we didn't understand the local people and other manfesto chaff and repeating another Mayor's statement that the people needed to get back to work to "put food on the table" He just forgot to mention that the State and Federal Governments are propping people up financially when they are in lockdown anywhere in Australia, and that extra services like Beyond Blue, or Council meals facilities and having money poured into them in any lockdown area. In fact it's hard for the good guys with the genuine truthful messages to get a word in over the "experts" and "Commentators" who don't know what's going on but feel free to discuss openly how they would have done it. From what the Merrylands guy said tis morning it wouldn't surprise me to see a Merrylands contingent at the next anti-government, anti-vaxing demonstration in Sydney, and no incoming calls to his Council for help, just the few dozen congratulating him for sticking it up the Australians.   While that pantomime was taking place the News department was telling us Sydney has had a records number of infections overnight the biggest percentage of them cause by people visiting family and people travelling all over Sydney during the lockdown. Sometimes you can't help people.

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1 hour ago, spacesailor said:

Now they,ve brought in the army !.

Shades of the English coal miners strike ! Were they murdered unarmed miners.

spacesailor

 

As the Victorian Government did last year and the South Australian Government did recently simply to expand the front line workforce on quarantine, contact tracing and border staff, and which has worked extremely well for Australia.

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The Warrior has both ground effect and along manual "handbrake type" flap lever on the RH/Throttle side (which RFG was looking for), and this allows you to vary both the speed and amount of flap extension and retraction, so infinitely better control than a wrong-handed electric flap switch. You get to sense the flap stages with hand movement and audible click, so that peering at the scale to make sure you don't go too far is eliminated, and another bonus. If you are making  forced landing and engine is out, electrics are out, you still have a flap had free, and if you've misjudge the paddock and are about to trip over the end fence, you can yank on full flap and jump your way over the fence.

11 hours ago, spacesailor said:

Yes ,

BUT

WE/I am doing the right thing. Both double vaxed,

Now only one person allowed to shop.

Leaves the none driving wife, out. Then me,  can,t do it right, so l,m out, !

AND

Were out of fresh veggies, haven,t shopped for two or three weeks.

Another four weeks locked IN ,. we,ll be skeletons, dead & forgotton , in this NO "double vax passport ".

If everyone is going to be in prison (  home isolation ), l could have forgone those walks for the jab.

And stayed covid safe.  ( no advantage after that jab )

spacesailor

Spacesailor you need to do more reading and less talking. There will be people to contact for assistance in cases like yours. I don't know who they are in NSW, but certainly the Victorian DHHS and the government and Councils emphasise their contact numbers for assistance. Apart from that you can order food from Coles online or Woolworths online.

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6 minutes ago, alf jessup said:

Turns,

My guess it will but that is why you have a control column or stick for, I was taught to tell the plane what you want to do and not have it dictate to you.

I’ve had the same experience as 7252. The nose was coming up, I realised what I’d done and had to force the stick forward until I had enough height to raise the flaps a bit. A pilot caught unaware could easily get out of control.

7 hours ago, Thruster88 said:

I have heard of this gust of wind thing before but do not understand how it causes the aircraft to pitch up violently. From the landing bounce to tower impact takes about 6 seconds, a fast person can run about 50 metres in that time.

Full flap on the CTSW is 40 degrees.

If you are coming in for a touch and go with 40 degrees flap, and forget to retract, then give it full throttle, will the nose head for the sky?