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...halfg a metre in diameter (Dave was gettnig slack; he'd flipped to his Mammary file and picked up elephant instead of gnat, but he quickly covered hmself by saying.........................

.......they stalk their prey by moving away quickly from where they are perdicted to be, and falling like  veil on the unsuspecting birds and pilots. Here's one now coming straight for us [camera jolting, dave resumes ] XXXXXXX XXX!!!!!!!!!, that's ruined my nice flannel pants and white short [commenray resumes showing Dave coming his hair] No sooner than they've done their work, they are gone, they sky clears, the bords come out, and life is good again.

Next week we will look at the mating habits of the Siberian gnat, a wonderful animal which lives in the wilds of Siberia, and gets its ...........................

5 hours ago, Flightrite said:

That's the one thing our corrupt Govt is keeping in the back of their minds all the time! They (we) can ill afford to lose that tax income, Otto's design will be with us for the life span of everyone on these pages & beyond!

Someone has to build and maintain the roads or we are back in the 1700s where, in the USA there was a trail cut east west from memory 27 inches widefor horse and rider, and even that cutting probably came from a horse tax.

........heading for the major predators of Jabirus, clouds. Today is a day when the coulds are out in earnest, with white tops and bottoms, sliding sideways through the sky. Her best defence is to clap wings and head for the ground, and here we see her..............

................aviation career of Dave. The camera rolls and we see a J170, mains splayed out taxying with two grossly overweight occupants.  The narrative starts in a hushed voice;

"Here we see an obviously pregnant Jabiru in search of a nest to lay her eggs. She rounds the corner, eading for some suitale shrubs, but no!, she turns again and hdeads down a main road. Something is seriously wrong, and ............"

....gave them the Ringer's flick.

With the rabbits out of the way he turned back to the camera and attempted to describe a pair of flamingos ................

.......upset David Attenborough who prefers them with four.

It was a difficult situation where ...........

28 minutes ago, Munger said:

Morning All,

 

In the Northern Rivers of NSW, we have a situation that is close to every aviators heart: Local council having a go at aviators because we are an easy target.....

 

ONE aircraft noise winger (Judith Forsyth), who moved to our community about a year ago, has managed to get into the ear of a few councilors and now the whole airport and peoples livelihoods could go up in smoke.

 

Izaac from Fast Aviation has put out a petition with a very detailed description of what is going on to assist business at Lismore Airport and taking aim at the ridiculous landing fees.

 

The link is:

 

https://www.change.org/p/lismore-city-council-provide-support-for-businesses-at-lismore-airport?cs_tk=AtkOBv7K2BaJSC_v-mAAAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvEETZtNUdhfVozQxUYWF8so%3D&utm_campaign=0e2a59f104804f9cbfd4c794ee40f289&utm_content=initial_v0_2_0&utm_medium=email&utm_source=recruit_sign_digest&utm_term=cs

 

If you are unimpressed by the way Lismore City Council is administering the district, or simply sick and tired of the abuse we cop from aircraft noise lobbies,  please consider signing it and passing it on to as many people as you can. 

 

Andy

 

Andy, this is a planning issue so you would need to check what exactly is happening.

An individual making a lot of posts on FB has no impact on an Airport

If the person is putting up a Planning Amendment to change the Use of the airport, you need to respond.

If the Airport has Existing Use Rights under the Planning Sheme, that's usually the end of any proposed change; aircraft make noise.

Beware of any invitation by the Council to take part in any "Operating Policy", " Precinct Plan" or one of a million other words  where the owner/operator is asked to participate in consultations for the adoption of the Plan, because if you do you give up your watertight Existing Use Rights. If the owner and Opertor of the Airfield are unsure of what is happening they should hire a planning Consultant.

34 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

The one thing that all governments are pretty good at is finding ways to extract money from the population. Either it will be based on km or at charging stations they can add their cut there. The problem is with charging at home or from personal solar/wind etc sources so it will likely be based on distance travelled. They may make everyone have a GPS device which will then be worked around by anyone smart enough, just like tax avoidance and tax evasion now.

Already collecting revenue in Victoria to match the roads contribution from ICE vehicles which have a sliding scale, e.g. semi trailers cost thousands of dollars.

......good enough for me.”

‘Have these four legs then” not realising what was about to....

31 minutes ago, flyingbaz said:

Of course it's possible to start by 2035. What this means is that the sale of NEW need to be electric. UK are starting soemthing similar by 2030 all new vehicles have to be electric. This doesn't meant the bowser suddenly dries up. If someone buys a petrol car in UK in 2029, there will have to be infrastructure to support it for at least 10 - 15 years if not longer. Even then there will always be fuel available for the old vintage cars etc. Maybe pricey but will be available. Just as film for cameras still exists today. Same for light aircraft engines. It will take a while for any transition to happen. Suffice it to say that this will be a problem our young kids may have to deal withj in a few decades time.

This was the statement from the academics: "Brand new petrol-powered cars could be illegal by 2035". That means a rollout from 2035 of a million new vehicles per year  in thousands of configurations. I outlined earlier the problem with the lead time to achieve that. 2050 would be more realistic. As you say the existing vehicles will go on for as long as they want. The Australian Government is not likely to take people's cars off them.

1 minute ago, spacesailor said:

The price of HORSES will go through the roof !.

 

Horses and cattle are two of the bigger propducers of CO2. Would be interesting to see some figures and compare them with ICE and EV/Power station totals.

17 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

My restoration hobbies include 1932 Chev, 1936 Royal Enfield, 1949 and 1951 Ariels, 1949 Bentley and several 1970s cars and bikes. I can buy nearly every part from their home countries as NOS or repro, and can find a Youtube video on how to do something. If this is an indication, and considering developments with 3D printing, getting parts for ICE vehicles in the future will not be a problem.

There are around 20 million vehicles currently registered in Australia, so the whole concept of reducing CO2 output has to start with introducing a CO2 limit for new vehicles (currently there is none, then selling EV in a market where many will buy ICE while they can, and then refurbish for as long as they can , e.g. post WW2 when new cars weren't available, people kept some 1920s cars going.

So if you are planning for CO2 reduction, you have tio deal with a complex sliding scale.

However, first you have to look at all CO2 output sources. Vehicles are a small part of the whole, but a highly visible reminder to look at.

11 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

For the most part European/Japanese/Korean/etc cars will do our highly urbanised population very nicely - reasonably good roads, short distances and temperate climate (coastal).

 

For those of us (a tiny minority) who live inland, best you hold on to something a bit more robust - we may see Cuba style differences in our vehicle choices

The first group of cars is no longer at the top of the Australian market share ladder.

The secoind group, led by light commercials are now the top sellers because of their versatility to commute, tow a boat or horse float or caravan, go up into the mountains at weekends etc.

So this complicates matters.

16 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Just had a quick read on the Mazda Skyactiv-X  -  which in tern require  diesel engine levels of robust construction (read weight)

You can pick that up by comparing kerb mass of similar Mazda Specifications.

13 minutes ago, aro said:

Yes but that's my point. We get what other countries are making. If they stop making ICE vehicles, we won't get ICE vehicles - whether we like it or not.

The number of companies investing in ICE cars (let alone right hand drive ICE) is going to drop very swiftly.

If all manufacturers stopped making ICE vehicles and sold EV, yes that's what we would get, but as I said, we are past the sepculation phase and it's now reality.

That's why we should be looking at market share by country now.

The world of vehicle manurfacturing is huge and has worked seamlessly with big changes for years.

For example Califiornia has been legislating different standareds for years without problems.

If the UK mandates EV, may well happen, but if Russia doesn't, they become a supplier of EV available to Australia.

The workd would go on, just as it did when Australia stopped manufacturing Commodore and Falcon, and opened the showroom doors selling all sorts of cars from aruond the world.

So it would be interesting to see the EV market share by Country.

1 minute ago, aro said:

How many of those have been designed specifically for Australian requirements?

I studied Industrial Design, Jack Telnack from Ford Motos Co was one of my mentors. He was designing for Australian conditions and he went back to the US after designing the Falcon 2 door hardtop (and went on to become Head of Design in Detoit). So that was about the time designing cars for Australia ended. Holden were a little later, but it was never the same again. We used the platforms for a couple of decades and then started pulling platforms from overseas. The Commodore design came from Germany for the 1979 release. We still retained some greater designers, and the Commodore Ute was a good example of what they could produce, but the base was overseas.

There was also still plenty of engineering for years, but today we are selling overseas product and again beginning to see hose leaks and trim failures because of our hotter climate offset by lower prices and a huge increase in models available.

We live in Australia, in 2020.  Our annual sale of Motor Vehicles is around 1 million, so serious numbers per year to be supported by infrastructure.

If EV sell they sell.

No amount of puffery can change that.

8 hours ago, Marty_d said:

54% of the new car market in Norway.  We don't need design / test / tool / production, the vehicles are already available, just that existing manufacturers see the Australian market as too difficult due to lack of progressive policy in the area.

Norway area 385,207 square kilometres

New Zealand 268,021

UK 242,495

Australia 7,692,000

It's the northern hemisphere and these smaller countries that EV proponents quote, but in Australia, if you need to get from Mackay to an appointment with a specialist it's a 4 hour triip at 100 km/hr with nothing in between.

Australia has longer applications.

Even in Tasmania we have long stretches of 100 km/hr, and up in the NE there are some very high hours distances. From Wynyard to Zeehan I once almost ran a renhtal car out of fuel. The Elders Stocl Agent in Mount Gambier still needs to pick up clients and drive them to Hay in NSW to buy sheep, then get them back that night, all at around 160 km.hr

Australia has good infrastructure of Petrol stations which could be expanded or duplicated for EV, and in many places there are queues waitijng for the 5 minute fills. Imagine what the queues woiuld be like waiting for 30 minutue or multi-hour charges for EVs - a totally different infrastructure is needed.

However we don't have to debate these things anoy more, we on't have to be subjected to the airy "someone will invent a battery that gives all day range; they said horses couldn't be replaced too but look what happened."

The show has started, EV are on the market for sale, the tribe is speaking with their feet at the showrooms, and we now have some years of market share data.

There's now no shortage of RHD Manufacturers with EV on the market in Australia, but there is a problem with out traditional US suuppliers in that they'v opted to get out of the RHD market becaiuse it's too expensive to tool up. This is a bigger threat to Australia than just a chage to EV, because those US makes perforjmed very well in climates like Arizona, Nevada, Taxas, New Mexico etc where there were big distances  in hot weather, and suited Australia well.

What Australian suppliers have done is go part-way releasing a lot of "electrified" vehicles (hybrids) to see how they do.

In the meantime the industry is starting to look at petrol replacing diesel to get better emission performance, and the new compression ignition petrol engines burning around 4 Ll/100 km  in medium platforms are well ahead of EVs being charged by Coal-fired power Stations in terms of total CO2 output. It's total CO2 Australia has to use, not tailpipe CO2, and if you look ahead to speculations like the one this thread is making, and you push it out to 2050, you'd still need nuclear power stations to meet the charging demand, so CI starts to look good from a policy point of view, with no need to buiold new power stations.

14 years is an impossible cycle in terms of design, test, tool, production so I wouldn’t get too excited. Under 5% market share in Australia and management is looking at firing you. EV got to a heady 0.75% but have fallen back to 0.5%.

......the instruments would be rubbed shiny with polish.

"How's that Cappy - like a Collingwood point-scorer; never kicks goals and gets his points from whinging" said Salty and the others all sat round the campfire on Schitt Creek nodding, and telling embarrassing stories about Cappy. All except Turbo who was valiantly  sticking up for his friend. In the distance they heard a car approaching; it was Cappy in his old Wolsely. As he stepped out Turbo called "Tell us about and started outlining a story" Cappy quickly shut it down with "Who told you that/!!" and Turbo said "Salty"

Cappy went for Salty with the speed of ......

...and as OT droned on Salty realised he'd been listening to this RF jargon for twenty years now, and these people were worse than Snake Oil. Atleast you could drink Snake Oil.

So he decided to turn the tables on this charlatan. "I'm very interested" said Salty ostentatiously tapping the bulging Ferguson Pocket Workshop Manual in English and French with US Ford Specification addendum, printed in Bigley on Kent in 1953. OT heard the tapping on banknotes, and was off with superb descriptions of what this aircraft could actually do. A price of $221,999 was agreed on, making it fifty dollars cheaper than the "foreign" aircraft where you could be getting ANY sort of workmanship, and wouldn't know until it arrived, and ...........

.......so he made a quick sale of his Jab LSA55 in the bar and someone paid$15 to use it as a dog kennel. Salty laid off the$15 against the field and came in at the end of the day with enough money to ..................

....forgot about their fellow CASA Record Monitor, who was standing there on the ground about to award them the world record they deserved. "Now look what you've done he said to the two blow-in CASA people and an Internecine fight broke out, attracting the three astronauts, who ........

....And so the four astronauts, Turbo, Cappy, CT, OT and te CASA Record Monitor (Turbo had made up a space suit with the words "CASA, Handle with care") walked out of the spacecraft looking happy, with fluff all round their mouths,

A kid yelled out " I KNOW WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING!" and ....................