Fuel Price

[kgwilson]

13 hours ago, BrendAn said:

show me a 16 ton gvm e truck with  a 1000 km range. i would buy them if they were available but i have never found any.

There is nothing like that in Australia but the Chinese have made huge inroads into electric trucks. Electric including hybrid outsold diesel for the first time in 2025 (54%). Windrose Technologies have an electric truck weighing 49 tonnes fully loaded with a huge 729 kWh battery & 670 KM range. The batteries are designed to be swapped out like the Janus and multiple other smaller trucks.

[Admin]

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[Siso]

7 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

There is nothing like that in Australia but the Chinese have made huge inroads into electric trucks. Electric including hybrid outsold diesel for the first time in 2025 (54%). Windrose Technologies have an electric truck weighing 49 tonnes fully loaded with a huge 729 kWh battery & 670 KM range. The batteries are designed to be swapped out like the Janus and multiple other smaller trucks.

I wander what sort of speeds they travel in China. Just thinking wind resistance etc.

[onetrack]

The simple fact remains the Chinese are beating the Western countries hands-down, because Xi insisted the country go electric as much as possible, and as soon as possible.

It should be obvious to even the biggest hard-line fossil fuel addict, that the air quality in Beijing alone has improved out of sight - a visible effect of major electrification of transport in that city.

Over 50% of vehicles being sold in China today are EV's, and the Chinese produce new battery designs and improvements on an almost weekly basis.

I have little doubt all this has been aided by the Chinese intellectuals who fled Trumps divisive America to return home, and thereby assisting in battery improvement research.

 

Admittedly, China has plenty of hydro-power to assist in the transition - but also thanks to Chinese manufacturing efforts, solar panels are now only a fraction of the cost they were 15 years ago.

Battery costs will continue to plummet as the Chinese continue their strenuous efforts to come out "top dog" in the effort to make electrification of transport a winner.

Meantimes, America continues to concentrate on the manufacturing of arms, and to massively increase expenditure on the countrys security in the form of walls and security forces - while it largely ignores increased electrification. It has lost any leading position it might ever have developed in that area, thanks to the fundamentalist crooks and financial greed merchants running the country.

 

While the right-wingers whinge endlessly about the "absolute zero" target, I see that as exactly what it is - a target. To reach improvement goals, you need to set a target.

We have "zero deaths and injuries" targets in the OH&S area. While I believe that target is unrealistic, it gives people a point to aim for.

You set targets for yourself, in life and business. You aim for a sales level, an improved income level, an asset improvement level, a health and fitness level.

 

If they're never achieved, any money or effort spent in trying to reach those targets is generally worthwhile. So it is with electrification and renewable energy targets.

Any effort or target designed to get us weaned off our Middle-Eastern oil addiction - which has cost us dearly over more than a dozen decades, has to be a worthy effort or target.

And any effort to increase local oil extraction is too little, too late, and is on a par with building more horse-drawn carriages to compete with the new-fangled motor car that is a total fad.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:43 AM by onetrack

[coljones]

6 hours ago, T510 said:

Recent polling results would indicate that the vast majority do not prefer the current party. 

 

 

Your final line, "this is how you engage and constructively argue without name calling and other shit" is ruined when you insinuate that Brendan is a wife beater because he has different views to you. 

You forgot this one - the way people would vote if there were only 2 parties

 

Two-Party Preferred	Mar. 2-8, 2026	Mar. 9-15, 2026	Mar. 16-22, 2026	Mar. 23-29, 2026	Change
	%	%	%	%	%
ALP	54.5	54	52.5	56.5	+4%
L-NP	45.5	46	47.5	43.5	-4%
TOTAL	100	100	100	100

[BrendAn]

3 minutes ago, coljones said:

You forgot this one - the way people would vote if there were only 2 parties

 

Two-Party Preferred	Mar. 2-8, 2026	Mar. 9-15, 2026	Mar. 16-22, 2026	Mar. 23-29, 2026	Change
	%	%	%	%	%
ALP	54.5	54	52.5	56.5	+4%
L-NP	45.5	46	47.5	43.5	-4%
TOTAL	100	100	100	100

We need to shift this topic to social Australia. Didn't you read the admins comment 

[Thruster88]

This is not about politics 

 

So an interesting thing happened today. The federal fuel excise cut of 26 cents per litre started april 1. At 8am today I checked the nsw gov fuel servo price app, only one of 5 servos in cowra had dropped  their price by 26cpl ON ALL GRADES, the rest no change. 

 

Not sure why all had not lowered their price i checked Google news. Chris Bowen Labour  spokesperson had said that until servos recieved new stock with the lower excise applied they would not lower  prices and that this may take some time. I was unsure exactly when the excise is payed.

 

Now 6.30pm April 1 all servos in cowra and most elsewhere have dropped their prices by 26 cents per litre. 

 

1 did they all get new stock today.

2 did they do it out of the goodness of their heart even though they had old stock

3 does a federal minister?  Not know how things work.

 

Cowra prices now diesel 303.6 ulp98 255.9 for once we are similar to other towns around and not getting ripped

[facthunter]

Prices in any town tend to move together. So none of the above.  Nev

[Thruster88]

9 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Prices in any town tend to move together. So none of the above.  Nev

Seriously, they all decided to drop their prices by 26 cents per litre? We hear all the time there is not much margin at the servo.

Edited 22 hours ago by Thruster88

[facthunter]

 Well ,Prices in any town DO tend to be the same. Is that not a fact?  I think Margins have gone up a bit lately. Nev

[Thruster88]

1 hour ago, Thruster88 said:

This is not about politics 

 

So an interesting thing happened today. The federal fuel excise cut of 26 cents per litre started april 1. At 8am today I checked the nsw gov fuel servo price app, only one of 5 servos in cowra had dropped  their price by 26cpl ON ALL GRADES, the rest no change. 

 

Not sure why all had not lowered their price i checked Google news. Chris Bowen Labour  spokesperson had said that until servos recieved new stock with the lower excise applied they would not lower  prices and that this may take some time. I was unsure exactly when the excise is payed.

 

Now 6.30pm April 1 all servos in cowra and most elsewhere have dropped their prices by 26 cents per litre. 

 

1 did they all get new stock today.

2 did they do it out of the goodness of their heart even though they had old stock

3 does a federal minister?  Not know how things work.

 

Cowra prices now diesel 303.6 ulp98 255.9 for once we are similar to other towns around and not getting ripped

Me thinks the servos peak body is going to have some explaining to do. Hopefully Journalists will keep on this story. ABC may have bias in some people's minds but they can get a story out. The story is fuel prices not ABC bias so please comments on fuel price only. 

 

Track Australian petrol and diesel prices - ABC News

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The federal government's cut to fuel excise has almost immediately flowed through to petrol prices at the pump, according to ABC tracking of fuel price data nationwide.

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Thruster88

[BrendAn]

The bp servos on Eastlink were down to $3.02 for diesel today. Every other servo I went past was the same as yesterday.

[BrendAn]

I bet we never see diesel under 2.50 again. 

[BurnieM]

Fuel is paid for 6 weeks before it appears at a retail servo.

 

On 28 Feb 95 octane was selling in northern suburbs of Sydney for $1.70 per litre.

On 31 March (yesterday) it had reached $2.75 a litre.

The cost price on both days was the same.

$1.70 includes a reasonable profit markup.

$2.75 adds an additional $1.05 or 0.95 extra profit after GST.

 

This morning most Shell servos had it for $2.45-2.47 and a few BPs (not all) for $2.44.

 

The cost price is still the same.

At $2.44 this adds an additional 0.74c or 0.67c extra profit after GST.

So if we take off 0.26 cents excise they have already paid then the poor fuel companies were only making 0.41c EXTRA profit.

 

Their strategy is probably to get large volumes of sales (at this still inflated price point) before other fuel distributors catch up.

The BP I filled up at said they had few customers yesterday but he had served 200 today.

 

[onetrack]

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Fuel is paid for 6 weeks before it appears at a retail servo

Not to my knowledge, which comes straight from a fuel distributor. When the tanker rolls into the servo, the cost of the fuel on board that has been ordered, is paid for by instant funds transfer, just before the tanker unloads. No funds transfer, no fuel. I don't know how payment, "6 weeks before delivery", would work.

 

Costco at Perth Airport have been selling "brand" diesel at $2.86 a litre all day today - and tomorrows price is the same. Yesterday, they were selling diesel at $3.12 a litre, so they have passed the full 26c a litre excise reduction on to customers on the same day as the Govt instigated it.

 

No other servos in Perth are under $2.89 for diesel today, most are over $3.00, some are $3.30. But tomorrow, it appears nearly all have dropped their bowser price for diesel by around 26c a litre, some have dropped a bit less.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by onetrack

[BrendAn]

yesterday i was told that distributors in our area can't buy fuel in advance . they are charged the going rate for the day when they fill up the truck.

[Moneybox]

Bit tight on fuel money at the moment so Mrs M suggested we slip out and see if we can find anything.

 

 

Fortunately we made some money.

 

 

It's a bit old but I think it's still ok.

[BurnieM]

37 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Not to my knowledge, which comes straight from a fuel distributor. When the tanker rolls into the servo, the cost of the fuel on board that has been ordered, is paid for by instant funds transfer, just before the tanker unloads. No funds transfer, no fuel. I don't know how payment, "6 weeks before delivery", would work.

Let me clarify;

the fuel importer pays for the fuel 6 weeks before it appears at a retail servo.

 

ie they did not pay todays international barrel price. They paid the price 6 weeks ago.

 

[Thruster88]

31 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

yesterday i was told that distributors in our area can't buy fuel in advance . they are charged the going rate for the day when they fill up the truck.

If a good investigative journalist was to follow the chain back from the servo up they could find out who has been making the enormous windfall from the trump netanyahu war. Data, it is all in the data.  

[onetrack]

Moneybox -So, you'll tak' a ha'penny worth of peetrol, and thruppence worth of tatties? Ye'll no get far!!

[BrendAn]

7 hours ago, BurnieM said:

Let me clarify;

the fuel importer pays for the fuel 6 weeks before it appears at a retail servo.

 

ie they did not pay todays international barrel price. They paid the price 6 weeks ago.

 

thats how i understand it too.   here at the hastings terminal was the example i was talking about. the importer does not allow the sale of fuel until it is in the tanker heading to the servo. imagine the profits the last few weeks. 

[Ian]

The current fuel crisis is caused by an ill considered attack by the US and Israel on Iran which has taken a significant portion of the worlds fuel supply out of circulation. This has made prices jump considerably, but not as much as many market pudits expected. Some people expected the price would rise to over $150/barrel in this situation.

One arguments is TACO, Trump Alway Chickens Out. Trump appears to be looking for an exit strategy however to all appearances the Iranians look like they've got a firm hold of Trumps balls and won't let go. They want reparations and a toll system on the strait which would be extremely humiliating for Trump.

So Trump's options are to accept a humiliating withdrawal and try to paint failure as success or do a full ground operation and force regime change.

So things would have to get far worse for Trump to accept the former, and if he does the latter the strait won't be open for an extended period.

From an aviation point of view, it will be interesting, in the Chinese curse definition, to see what happens to GA fuel supplies.

Viva energy which makes avgas in Australia in Geelong, is increasing production of of this plant provide greater supplies of petroleum products, but what does this mean for GA aviation? Does the balanced plant argument mean more avgas, or will maximising production of essential fuels results in a squeeze in the sector.

 

It might be a good time to review the fuel flexibility of your engines. I know that many flight schools use mogas purely for economic and maintenance reasons but more generally what options does the GA fleet have.

 

[Love to fly]

2 hours ago, Ian said:

 Viva energy which makes avgas in Australia in Geelong, is increasing production of of this plant provide greater supplies of petroleum products, but what does this mean for GA aviation? Does the balanced plant argument mean more avgas, or will maximising production of essential fuels results in a squeeze in the sector.

 

 

Ian do we know what % of Australian AvGas is produced in Corio/Geelong? I've been told it's 100%.  I'm trying to understand  the shortages at some airports & the steep increases i(over 50c at Moorabbin & regional NSW) In price that took place yesterday if that is the case. 

[Ian]

I don't know, someone with greater knowledge of the industry might have more of an idea. One of my uncles was an engineer working in Kurnell but that's no longer a refinery.

While fossil fuels mightn't be fashionable, we're still a long way from being able to do without them. Whether this crunch puts refineries and ammonia production back onto the essential industry table is yet to be seen.

[Reynard]

The import stats in the attached file seem very ‘lumpy’, and don’t really provide much insight.  Unless the Geelong refinery alkylation unit was down for an extended period in 2024 ?? - unlikely.

Bottom line, yes Australia does import ‘some’ Avgas, but the volumes are small, probably because the consumption is small.

 

Australian Petroleum Statistics - Data Extract January 2026.xlsx