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So no longer run by Amber? Hopefully will become a viable destination again. Has the restaurant reopened do you know?

I'm guessing you didn't look at the link I posted, reposted here. https://www.casa.gov.au/operations-safety-and-travel/aerodromes/uncertified-aerodromes#Usinganuncertifiedaerodrome ALA's were in the ERSA when I learnt to fly 20 years ago. At some stage they got renamed UNCR. They are the same thing. The Oaks is also shown as UNCR in ERSA. Screenshot below.

CASA and Airservices Acronyms. Definitely not mine. 🙂 And an ALA = UNCR these days, the following link may help https://www.casa.gov.au/operations-safety-and-travel/aerodromes/uncertified-aerodromes#Usinganuncertifiedaerodrome Great Lakes - quotes PPR but is marked as UNCR so the PPR is actually not needed as it is implicit. Atherton - Uncertified Bairnsdale is Certified

No idea how to move the posts re West Sale, but very happy to end the debate. Sorry for the clutter.

You need a plan in the system, and to request and receive airways clearance prior to entering their airspace. No different to me flying through their airspace enroute to Lakes or Bairnsdale. BUT you would need to be in a VH registered aircraft and hold at least an RPL, unless something has happened very recently with RAAUS and controlled airspace.

Sheesh. As I said in my earlier post I'm pretty sure there is an issue with RAAUS aircraft getting clearances through active controlled airspace, let alone RA2 & RA3 areas. Further, I no longer fly RAAUS. I'm pretty sure departure/arrival clearance for GA VH aircraft would usually be available. Nothing in the ERSA to indicate differently, just that a clearance required when active. Certainly nothing restricting it to just commercial aircraft. I'm guessing you would have to track in/out a nominated way, not to have a jolly within the active airspace.

Don't think Len has ever had the fees on a website. That would be the previous owner.

No idea what website this is. But they've left old prices and popped his contact details in.

Yep, about 3 years.

Weird. I spoke to Lenny Marshall, the current owner, about 8 weeks ago and they were the fees then. I think ERSA still shows the previous owner. What website are you looking at?

I find it annoying that landing, and parking fees are not in the ERSA. And I always check before a trip. Recently have had fees under $11 to land and daily, and nearly landed at Cairns for a week. $380 odd minimum fee! Went to Mareeba instead. I miissed Brendan's post re YGRL but it is no longer $66. This changed when the ownership changed. I was quoted $18 to land, and $18 per day parking last year. Still it is an uncertified airport aka ALA. Given you are meant to contact the owner/operator of. UNCR Airports prior to landing on them, it then isn't hard to check the landing fee. Might be with noting they don't have to specify PPR for this to apply.

Okay. I think there is an issue legally with raaus clearances, hence the carve out of the VFR Routes. But fairly sure GA VHF registered could get clearance to depart/return to the airport. But not to just fly around within the RA.

Interesting. The ERSA states an airways clearance is required when the airspace is active. Not that it's only available for commercial flights. Do they always deny clearances for private aircraft? They are fairly accommodating when transiting through the area.

They cut the VFR lanes out of the restricted areas a few years back, specifically to enable RAAUS pilots to transit. There used to be a procedure to use land or deoart West Sale when area was acrive. But it's been a few years since I moved, these days I'm usually just transmitting past. No issues with that.

Sure, but aren't the VFR Routes still avaliable?