turboplanner

"...try their belts and roads."

Turbo knew something was wrong. "What are you talking funny Dan?" he asked, and Dan started blubbering that the fake Unionists were holding him to ransom. "I'll fix that" responded Turbo, and it won't cost you a thing.

The next morning as the thugs and disorganised rabble, all with brand new Fluoro jacks and shorts in their "union" disguise, were clustering in Elizabeth Street, a Convoy of Turbine Water Cannon Inc. riot trucks were hiding a couple of streets away.

Not many people know that before Elizabeth Street became a street it was called  Elizabeth Creek, which flowed quite steeply down to the Yarra.

We move now to the Premier's Office where Dan is sitting, teary eyed, when Turbo burst in unannounced "The protestors have gone" he announced. "Flushed em down Elizabeth St and choked them in the Yarra" he continued "and you know where the Yarra flows to?" "Tasmania" said Dan brightening up, and they ................

38 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

Do you " drive " or " operate your tractor.

Does Size really matter ?.

Bus driver or " coach captain ", l upset a " coach captain " by thanking the driver.

spacesailor

You've screwed up BIG TIME there Space; worse than a journalist typing Cessna.

Bus and Coach are two separate vehicles with two separate sets of responsibility.

.....but before he could go on there was a rumbling and crashing and they staggered or balance. An earthquake had hit. Dan’s first thought was for the poor demonstrators strung out across Westgate Bridge. “I hope it falls down” he snarled and......

........operations immediately with a popup Fluoro Mart on Westgate Bridge.

Turbo sent a complimentary fluoro yellow jacket to Dan and received a profuse, but slightly pandering thank you note wondering if he could have a SWAT one instead. Turbo flew it to Spring Street in his new US Army Backhawk which he'd just bought from Taliban Disposals, and offered him a .................

...more competitition from the smooth talking execs, usually early 30s, shaved heads with sunnys superglued on, coloured suits and Android thumbs.

These were the people Nostradamus had forcast would take over the world; it was just the Android name which in 1387 didn't exist that made him think Androids were the name of these aliens.

They were trained by Turbine Marketing and when on the one hand a prospective customer received a pitch from one or these vs Een with six days growth, hair unkempt, teeth not brushes and a breath like a sewer exhaust, the result was a foregone conclusion.

Trackbine started kicking goals and the cash rolled in. OT annouced plans for weekly tour trips to the moon, and even hinted that it wouldn't be long before he would be building a RECREATIONAL AIRCRAFT. This brought gasps from the WreckFlineOldFarts (WFOF), but they quickly regrouped and within ten posts had conclusively proved that it couldn't be done, and if it was no one would be left to fly one and if there were, CASA would get him anyway or .............

......OT whose family had had to deal with the Arabs of the West for several generations. "When you pick up the phone and call a cab, the last thing you need is a Camel"

Turbo quietly explained that to reduce global warming the constant emitting of CO2, methane and partly digested grass on the streets of the cities of the East had forced them to ban Camels, and replace them with Kias.

"All you can see these days in Western Sydney is Kias, Kias and Kias" said Turbo, and realised that once again his creative genius had produced a market winner and the KKK Taxi and Omnibus Service was created. Their tag line was "When you are in trouble, call the KKK", all the Abduls wore a white sheet and business boomed until.........................

.......our schools. Once you stand on 1,2,3 you're going nowhere and ...........

55 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

Well they now have totally autonomous space craft as the latest SpaceX mission has demonstrated. All the humans on board were passengers and it worked with perfect precision. Anything less than that should be a doddle.

Go for it; you could be an instant trillionaire.

The algorithm is somewhere between these two extremes, plus the ability to Respond to ATC instructions, review weather and bypass unflyable conditions, make forced landings etc.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/ground-control-to-major-tim-cook

.........Epaulet picked one and said "Come with me"

Twenty minutes later they arrived back, the student ashen grey, saying "Yes Sir, No Sir" as appropriate to anything Epaulet said. He was being moulded into a shining example of skill and expertise that hadn't been seen since the days of the Biggles Flying School, which had taught Epaulet, and ..................

I think Iggy and Thruster are spot on.

We have classifications to suit every budget and every type of recreational flying up to the level of serious cross country work where a bigger and faster class of aircraft work better.

There will always be the old farts who tell the same old stories over and over again, and quote the green grass over the fence, but never realise they are the misfits.

I used to have 35 Associations and Clubs to look after, and even though as a State we were very successful there were always about five in a state of high drama where they were sacking the committee or not listening to their committee or just generally pissing in all the corners. I was talking to one President one night who'd phoned me in the middle of a meeting to get an opinion on something. He was standing out on the verandah and said "Sorry, have to go inside, ring you back." A fist fight had broken out and he'd had to drop the ring leader. 

It's a case here of "Two men looking out through bars, one saw mud, the other stars."

RAA clearly suits tens of thousands of members who don't find it necessary to bad-mouth their sport.

I understand that RPT and certain sectors of GA can have issues, but its wrong to assume that those issues would apply to people who fly and train for recreation, and those hates and issues should be kept to GA forums where there are people with similar problems who may be able to help.

It's interesting that no one has mentioned what the policy is, or what the Objects are of RAA Ltd.

RAA Ltd is the Self Administering Organisation which can shape recreational flying. MOST importantly, RAA Ltd is the organisation with the responsibility of promoting recreational flying.

Yet not a comment.

.......Epaulet. “STAND TO ATTENTION”, he yelled. “......

.......hour's lesson, and the people flocked to the flying schools to ......................

.......recipe and the sales rocketed off. They were calles Flyers Pies, designed specifically for pilots and came with a packaging guarantee which allowed you to sit on them without that tell tale brown and yellow stain that had caused so many pilots to be branded cowards, when it was just a squashed pie. The killer was the whine recorder where the pilot could record an hour of whining about CASA, airfields, other pilots, the cost of living, prices and anything else and send it off in the Australia Post package provided and preaddressed to Scomo c/o Canberra. For months you couldn't buy a FP anywhere, the demand at Flying Clubs  was so substantial. Then TC released the Flyer Pie Lite, which only recorded for thirty seconds which was enough for a spit at Scomo, but gave you enough time to eat the pie, and sales soared again. Some clubs were raking customers off the nearby roads from people who wanted to send messages direct to Scomo, and get a taste of what real flyers ate. Soon the Clubs could afford new aircraft, and .....................

1 hour ago, jackc said:

I spoke to a former student pilot last week, he sold his plane…….he is done with aircraft, seems his instructor was a major reason…….in his area, no other choices.

It's always been harder for country people for this sort of reason.

The solution has been that an Instructor decides to fly to a different district every week, or something similar bringing all the students in the catchment area within about a 30 minute drive. He advertises and builds up a clientele just like any other business.

A second way is a group of potential students contacts an instructor and agrees to a specific number of hours per year, with the same result; the instructor is making money and he flies in to the students.

I wouldn't offer your other suggestion because you are legally responsible for you advice and you can't learn to fly an aircraft safety by correspondence.

11 minutes ago, walrus said:

As for a rosy future for RAAus, I would hope so and technically at least there is ongoing investment innovation and growth. However, we exist at the whim of the regulator and we live hand to mouth, so to speak on time limited exemptions. We are unimportant fringe dwellers -rather like illegal immigrants on protection visas. We exist at the whim of the regulator, all CASA has to do to crush us is a small act of omission - decline to renew exemptions for whatever reason and we are toast.

The exemptions that allowed RA to fly beyond 300 ft altitude are documentary conditions which apply throughout the thousands of Acts of Parliament over many decades, and certainly are not a knife to the throat. The Government of the day cleverly set them up on the basis of Self Administration so if there was an explosion of lawsuits from misdeeds they would be aimed at the Administrators and people directly responsible - not the Government. So in fact there are greater imperitaves to closely look at what happens on the roads where motorists are NOT self administered, to protect the State Governments rather than to worry about self administering bodies.

For this reason it is unlikely that the Government would let go of that exemption policy.

52 minutes ago, facthunter said:

You have totally pulled that out of context Turbs. The point WAS large masses of people descend upon such places ruining it for the locals. The fact the Balinese have become dependent on the trade none the less.  Some profit out of cruise ships in Venice but locals can't afford to live there and the place is not like it was. ALL these low cost things rely on lower than normal wages and conditions. 

 

Well you're talking general sociology now; in fact Italy was stuffed a thousand years before that by Megalopolis.

I was suggesting there's no reason for everyone to be getting gloomy about RA, it sends the wrong message to the people we should be encouraging to take over.

I don't have a problem with people who want to get together and have a good cry about their history but we've had several of this "Flying is stuffed" threads when RAA as at 8000 members, then it grew to 10,000 members, then while another lot were having a cry it grew to 12,000 members. It may have dropped back from there, I haven't heard any figures lately, but it's a long way back to 8000, let alone being the disaster that people were talking about at 8000.

Flying has stuffed Bali and Venice too?

This thread was started by someone who was having a look at someone else's post in a GA Forum and the poster was presenting a depressing view.

That doesn't nean the sky has fallen in RA or for that matter generally.

RA is a different animal to GA in many ways and it capable of firing up in its own area if people wanted to fire it up.

However, you do that by broadcasting positive things not QED arguments that flying is stuffed.

....wreck flying which relied on Bernouli's theorem vs gravity with ...............

RAA have the figures. I seem to remember a substantial number of RAA doing 2 to 5 hours/year.

You can buy an autonomous aircraft for less than $100.00; all drones with "return home" are autonomous on that leg.

The diffulty is when the algorithm needs to be exponentially expanded.

We went through this in the automotive and transport industries about ten years ago. Everyone was designing autonomous cars and trucks, and of course they were electric for "zero emissions" (disregarding charging emissions). That they still incorporated grilles for radiators and cabins for drivers was telling, but in the end the problem was adapting them to out open roads in both Urban and Highway conditions. At one stage Volvo came to Australia to practice with kangaroo avoidance; supposedly they had an algorithm for deer, and they wanted to add kangaroos, apparently not aware of wild cattle, brumbies, or wombats.

Those people who bought Level one autonomous cars, those with Lane Assist, Adaptive Cruise Control, Rain Sensitive Wipers etc, experienced some big surprises.

I had an experience on a roundabout where the local council had not only painted the radial lane lines but the straight through lines as well. The car opted for the straight through, even though I had my right indicator on (which could have been used as an autonomous aid), and the car developed the usual LKS front wheel shimmy warning, but I continued to turn so the car decided I was running off the road and forced the steernig wheel straight, or tried to. I had to overpower quite a strong force to keep turning.

I was an early promoter of Adaptive Cruise Control in trucks. It's frustrating in mechanical cruise control to set the speed of the vehicle in front only to find thay slow down, so you have to reset, then they speed up, and you just manage to get back to your space when they slow down. Adaptive cruise control theoretically puts you in convoy, reading the speed of the vehicle ahead and slowing down when it does, speeding up when it does, not chance of a nose to tail accident, so less stress.

However.......the designer had to set a parameter where it was safe for the poorest standard of driver, so on a busy freeway you set your ACC at the speed YOU want to cruise at, lets say 100 km/hr and ACC takes over. The first thing it does is establish its programmed "safe distance" from the vehicle in front, and your car slows down to leave a gap approximately five car lengths more than you've left for the last 20 years. Seeing you slow down to this big gap, two or three cars dart in front of you into your lane and take up the normal spacings. Your car slows down until the big "safe distance" is established again, then it starts all over again, and one of these cars is only travelling at 80 in the next lane, but saw you slow down so is now in front of you, and your car slows down to find its "safe distance" again. Of course what happens is you don't use your ACC in city traffic, so you lose the benefit you had in CC.

You decide to put your Level 1 Autonomous through the local car wash. It's a 30 degree summer day. As your car is locked into forward motion by the chain and the water jets start, just as you reach the first rotating brushes the smart wipers sensing rain turn on automatically, are grabbed by the brushes and the complicated pantograph arms are bent forever. Aervice departments have replaced a lot of wiper arms.

These are just three auonomous components of a car; the fully autonomous vehicles had to contend with all the unexpected situations the huma brain does. There was no point in just programming them to follow rules; they had to be progammed to react when the OTHER person was not following rules, such as running a red light, and so one. Far from being safer, the test vehicles and the early ones sold have been involved in many fatal accidents, the car industry is going through the lawsuit phase, and the suggestion from the industry is to forget about them for the next few decades.

Many jurisidictions around the world began looking at Autonomous Vehicle Legislation, but all they had to go on was the hype coming from the promoters, and once the accident trail started, with more realistic real-time data, have also been given a headache.

What has happened is applications where the algorithm can be simplified ave allowed some successful applications:

Autonomous trains are operating successfully

Autonomous Mine Trucks (300 - 800 tonnes) are operating successfully

Controlled, isolate route vehicles with, effectively, the same parameters as an elevator are operating successfully.

It's against that complex background that this aircraft comes on the scene, in some respects the latest "flying car".

The fact that the builder suggests the aircraft can fly from source to destination over cities is a good indicator that the current algorithm is going to limit its use.

Regulators in Australia have already had to contend with the hamburger drone delivery thought bubble. 

There is a Medical supply drone system operating somewhere, and that may have been in NZ, and it seemed to be a well controlled situation, not unlike the controlled Mining application.

29 minutes ago, Student Pilot said:

I'm a lazy sod so can't be bovered looking up the figures but........Bankstown is an example of the decline in GA. Now compared to 70's, 80's?

I disagree with Turbo's optimistic rosy view of GA and that CASA staff are keen flying enthusiasts. (Turbo, you employed by CASA or an ex CASA employee?) I've been flying professionally for 40 years and have had my own aviation business and been chief pilot for several others, in 40 years I can only think of one positive experience with CASA. Others I fly with have the same experience. Any rural town in Eastern Oz walk outside and listen, 70's and 80's you would always hear an aircraft. I might hear one 3 times a year now.

Over-complication of regs, unnecessary changes in licensing and compliance for no reason, take Part 61 licence as an example. Read the prune thread with Glenn Buckley as to an example of CASA's treatment of GA.
CASA moto......"We're not happy till your not happy" is the joke line, if it wasn't so true it would be funny.

I have nothing to do with CASA.

Have a look at Naracoorte on google earth. In the 70s and 80s there was a shed there about the size of a double garage and the tiny "terminal" Reg Ansett built in the sixties, and no home aircraft. Now there's bitumen, aircraft parked etc.

Moorabbin 70s =1 main runway, now two parallel runways operating, currently 295,000 air movements per year. Hepas of aircraft, but certainly not doing things like touring which everyone aspired to in the 70s. What you are talking about in the local town could well be true, but it could be that the training is going on at another hub. e.g. in the 60s, Nhill was the centre of training, and they flew to several lower south east/vic towns on a rotating basis.  Maybe Naracroorte is no the primary.

9 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Have you actually counted the number?   Nev

Jandakot had 208,778 aircraft movements in 2018 - that would have to include plenty of young people flying.

(a) I wouldn't have wasted my time quoting that person, based on what he's done to this site in the past.

(b) When you've gone over how to land in a crosswind ten or so times, you tend to know what's coming, so it might seem like nothing's happening, but it is for people new to flying.

(c) Over the past ten years or so some poor choices of aircraft were made and those aircraft are now rotting in sheds. More people should have flown good flying school aircraft, to become confident in their skills and quite a few other reasons pilots came in and dropped out. When that sequence occurs those people tend not to suggest their friends try it. However despite that the RAA membership numbers have held up well, and the annual aircraft movements at capital cities are good.

(d) You'd have to have been living under a rock not to know that people from CASA, Airservices, ATSB etc. are regular and welcome participants in this forum, because they are flying enthusiasts like you. I don't think they bother to bring a book and notate "Sunny did this or said that".  The safety people operate on hard evidence, not something someone wrote, and you'd realise that some outlandish and self incriminating stories have been written, but they can pick a BS artist like the rest of us.

As far as your tagline goes, you realise that when you go driving the Police Force is monitoring you on the road and via cameras, when you go boating, they're launching their boats too, and if you decide to go fishing the chances are there'll be a 4WD at the end of the jetty or launching ramp when you come in.

6 minutes ago, djpacro said:

Maintenance per CASA https://www.casa.gov.au/files/awb-85-021-issue-1-–-piston-engine-low-utilisation-maintenance-practices and Lycoming https://www.lycoming.com/content/service-letter-no-l180b

The first letter you posted relates back to Lockdown 4 , was from Dept Jobs, Precincts and Regions and appears to be clarifying the boundaries for an essential worker.

The second letter from CASA is undated and is an opinion - this may even come from 2020.

The only authority issuing lockdown instructions is DHHS through the Chief Health Officer and the basis for leaving home is very clear.

I would agree with Aro, in getting an essential Aircraft Maintenance person to fly the aircraft if that was really necessary.

........hack saw, but Turbo was tough; he used to strain fence wire with his teeth and use two hands to tie figures of eight knots, the hallmark of the very best Australian fencers, and Cappy envied him for .....