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18 minutes ago, onetrack said:

For $545 a day (and night), I can lodge in a 5-star hotel with every comfort on tap, and be waited on hand and foot, and have valet parking included in the deal.

This is price-gouging on a scale that makes military hardware supply look like excellent value for money.

What Moorabbin has done is disgraceful because their genuine aviator predecessors once had an incentive for people coming to Melbourne, or scraping by with minimum finances to use Moorabbin in preference to country fields for the zero landing cost, and overnight parking with security for about $20.00.

Now that the Industrial avalanche has been temporaroly stopped there may be more attention paid to aviation.

[.....for continuity, please read OT's post as it is vital information for anyone getting a Naips report before flying.]

1 hour ago, Captain said:

..... a G5 Garmin full glass cockpit, with side-sticks, that interfaces with bull's multiple Ipads via a 1970's apple 69 green screen to a Gameboy which converts the signals into telex tape that is then used to .......... 

 

 

 

 

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....communicate with the NAIPS system CASA uses for weather forecasts, where it is rumoured that CASA in turn gets its BOM forecasts using special indigenous smoke from the First Nations who, as we know live in ........... Canada.

The bum bag pushed the Aeroflite over MTOW, so bull turned on CASA posing as a victim of CASA who force people to fly overweight and .........................

[NOTE: Although Cappy gaslighted bull about his Tasmanian computer, at least there's now one Manufacturing Industry operating in Australia today. Turbine No1 is made from school desk components of the Headmaster of Crotty Public School. Crotty was submerged in a Hydro Lake, but Turbine Recovery divers took the risk and extracted it from the schoolhouse which has a handy number of Yellowbelly trapped inside. The Brand was carved by QWERTY, an extinct aborigine from Launceston who got it wrong, but out of respect for his elders past and present it has been left in place as a reminder that you're never too old to start school.]

.......Tasnmanians even use them to cart their young around, so I should be able to carry my four Ipads in the Aeroflite, which has ............

.......were right at home doing the hard work for Turbine Entertainment which involved travelling through the hospitals and aged care centres putting on  a stage show for the poor. Of course they were all over 50, so that helped.

There was a knock on his office door, and Leo came in and said "I'd like to learn how to fly one of these Aerolites [avref]. Turbo thought about it for a minute, because the alternative "No" could have seen him eaten. It would mean flyting over the MTOW of course, but that beat being scratched to threads, so he said "Of Course, Leo, but you do realise you need a medical?"

Leo handed him his recent Vet Certificate which stated he was healthier than the Prime Minister, so what couldTurbo do but ..............

[Many new NES readers have been asking Turbo about the term [avref]. About a decade ago one of WF's well known trouble makers became jealous of the success of the NES, and thought it should be limited to greetings, what fly ins are coming up, who used a 6 mm aileron shaft instead of a 3 mm one, how evertone should be able to fly an A 380 without a licence under the Freedoms Act etc, and finished his diatribe by saying "there's was nothing in the NES about aviation". Of course the NES had quickly drifted away from Ford Prefects to aeroplanes, the history of Biggles, how to build a $10 aircraft using an Encabulator etc, so every now and again we have to point out some of those aviation references to him to keep him happy.]

3 hours ago, Captain said:

Cappy apologises to the thousands of NESers who have contacted him in light of his atrocious & xxxxhouse spelling, which has been korected abov.

Not a bad effort per se.

17 minutes ago, onetrack said:

That "tail end of bush" contained terrain in excess of 700M elevation (Mt Disappointment is 800M, Blairs Hut is 729M elevation) - and this terrain was reported as being in low cloud cover on the day of the crash.

The second helicopter travelling with the crash helicopter reported an alarm when the crash helicopter "did not re-appear after entering low cloud" (in the region of Blairs Hut).

The primary indications are that weather conditions and piloting error will show up as the major factors in this crash, rather than any mechanical failure. It's not like Microflite ran junk for aircraft, they have a top class fleet, and a good record.

What's hard to understand is that Kilmore Gap (between Kilmore and Wallan would only have required a slight deviation to the west. On a bad weather day virtually every northbound pilot out of Melbourne would have planned for Kilmore Gap, and usually the radio is full of requests on what the Gap is like because it lets traffic through that would otherwise have to turn back. Sam for the southbound traffic so it's a busy place.

This has been getting big exposure in Melbourne with Channel 9 at one stage having two reporters on the scene at Mount Disappointment as well as one at the desk giving summaries.

Vicpol also have a helicopter and semi trailer office, and ATSB have senior people.

ATSB will be examining the helicopter for component failure and using a drone to track the final path, and the weather will all be examined.

What is intriguing me is that based on a Melbourne pick up, and depending on how the pilot exited the Melbourne area, there's only one small clump of bush, about 22 km across on the tail end of the Great Dividing Range on its possible path.

1 hour ago, Ian said:

The key message is that the existing controls based upon humans and radio calls are inherently weak and do lead to accidents.

ATSB is making it clear that they acknowledge this deficit and that existing measures should be upgraded.

Technologies such as ADSB provide significantly improved situational awareness to all parties reducing the likelihood of accidents.

 

However the weakness of this approach is that not all parties have these devices and in the interim alternative approaches should be considered.  

 

 

Part of the issue is that the exceptions which allow recreational flying were based on those people, having just come out of the paddocks and under 300', staying away from busy airports, and have drifted into the current areas they fly today informally. The extreme ends are send them back out again or make them pay the same cost as GA. This is a safety area, so a Go/No Go area legally, so while an affordable solution is the goal, they can't offer an alternative that's non-compliant.

1 hour ago, Garfly said:

Okay, so you've nothing to say about the the contradiction between your 'maverick electronic gear' position and ATSB's 'strong encouragement' of the use of that gear, for safety's sake. 

And you scarcely acknowledge the obvious fact that ADSB gear is all about preventing accidents not the fascinating task of investigating what people had been "required to do" before they died. 

 

Just talk, eh?  Yeah, right.  Just talk.

 

 

 

No, just what happens after you've collided. It's far from just talk.

1 hour ago, Garfly said:

 

 

Turbs, I don't know what "maverick" stuff you're referring to, but SkyEcho2 electronic gear - merely glanced at - would likely have prevented the Mangalore accident and averted the Ballina airprox incident. 

 

Which might be why they are not only approved for Australia but 'strongly encouraged' by the aviation authorities. Must we wait for it to become sanctified as a Rule for the obvious safety message to be accepted? 

 

From the ATSB Mangalore report:

 

"The ATSB also strongly encourages the fitment of ADS-B transmitting, receiving and display devices as they significantly assist the identification and avoidance of conflicting traffic. The continuous positional information that ADS-B provides can highlight a developing situation many minutes before it becomes hazardous – a significant improvement on both point-in-time radio traffic advice and ‘see-and-avoid’. The ATSB also notes that ADS-B receivers, suitable for use on aircraft operating under both the instrument or visual flight rules, are currently available within Australia at low cost and can be used in aircraft without any additional regulatory approval or expense." 

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What counts after a crash is what each pilot was required to do. The rest is just talk.

4 hours ago, Old Koreelah said:

We need some smart person to write a clear, simple guide explaining how these traffic systems work and their limitations.

 

Or better still, follow the rules we are required to fly by; a maverick, non-standard piece of electronic gear not approved for Australia, is not going to help you after a collision.

..........the kitchen.

Turbo had been surprised there wasn't more noise from lions savaging patrons in the tent, but ducked out to the kitchen so see if he could sell some of his CatFarm products, and was talking to the Chef when he felt a tap on the shoulder, and a cultured English voice said "Could I trouble you for a moment of your time please Sir?"

He turned around and gasped as he saw two huge lions facing him, but in the same moment identified the sad look in their eyes.

The giant lion went on; "we starred in the film, the Lion King and I was chosen because of my singing voice; I know people claimed to be doing the voice over but I did the lot, but now we've been forced to work for that FW Ringmaster, and this little sh!t is killing our children."

Turbo's heart melted and he said to the chef "From now on no lion meat is to be chopped up (the lions winced)  and used in this restaurant."

"But how I get mit? asked the chef" 

"I'll have a tonne of cat meat here tomorrow" replied Turbo.

"But Chinee don't eat cat meat; that only lumour of West" replied the Chef.

"My mistake" said Turbo "Lamb", and they shook hands.

"You can stay at my place for a few days" Turbo said to the lions "I think I can get you both jobs as FOIs with CASA' they could use you for those evasive pricks as an alternative to strict liability. Lose half a leg and they'll be behaving like pussy cats.................."

38 minutes ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

Those pilots should all be made to fly gliders in competitions where you have up to 30 gliders in one thermal. Midairs? surprisingly few.

The worst gaggle I was ever in was near Cunderdin, where the r/h thermal was at the same point where you had to take a l/h turnpoint photo.

I was so busy dodging other gliders that I forgot the photo!

Correct - if you disregard cruise speeds which determines available reaction time, and you also disregard human reaction time when things are normal vs when you become aware of something travelling at several times your speed and often using different (but correct) language like 26 miles DME on the 125 radial, and you have seconds to work out were he is and which way he's pointing.

..........the bewildered Channel 9 presenter said "I don't know what I'm supposed to say here"But she soon had plenty to say and didn't care which Channel she said it on because the two lions had suddenly become quite hungry,  and headed for the presenter. The Cameraman chased the lions over the acrobats props, over the clown's car, over the barrier, and suddenly found a whole new menu............................

5 hours ago, bushcaddy105 said:

No matter what procedures, airspaces or surveillance equipment on board, pilots make mistakes. Some years ago an A320 RPT flew underneath me on a straight-in arrival when I was in the circuit area and about to descend to circuit height. I estimated 400 ft. separation; they reported 300. To their credit, they admitted to ATSB that their inbound calls were on the PAL frequency - at 0930 hrs. 

Which airport?

.....angle grinder it was. Nothing ever went right, no matter who was using it. Some said it wasn't current, others had a differenty angle, and the resident WF experts told everyone not to offer opinions but didn't realise they were offering their own.

The Ringmaster had a big scratch them came out to announce the lion chase.......................

40 minutes ago, Keith Page said:

I beg to differ regarding the RAA members voting regarding transferring into a company.  I have on good authority from a current board member (at the time) this process was not done honestly and I have to agree with him as he gave me a set of of circumstances which did not indicate honesty. 

Keith, I'm probably aware of the same information you're aware of; I was not at all happy with the outcome or the way it was achieved, but the constitution certainly provided powers to take action, and that wasn't taken; people didn't stand up when they could have, so technically the members voted as I said. There's not a lot of point chewing it over now, because there aren't a lot of people wanting to change, and more importantly, no really big issues have come up, which in itself is a good thing.

The Tenant's Masterplan which would have continued the trend towards industrial development has been rejected - Press Release by Cr Steve Staicos, Mayor of City of Kingston which campaigned in favour of aviation.

This is the video made by the City of Kingston in support of aviation.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUt6Lpi75XM

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....dropped the bucket prematurely, and Mike stepped on the gas in the tiny car and mowed down the Ringmaster, "Fingernails" McTaggart, who ................

........red nose. one night one of the seven year olds who had been home schooled and missed the valuable lessons in day to day manners yelled out "Hey Elephant Man" and the clown turned into a nasty ball of red silk, whitewash and lipstick and bit the kid's ear off. This started a ...................

We've discussed this level of training on this site several times. Even at 250 kts  the closing times are scary and you really have to be on your toes to identify what the RPT pilot just said and meant.

I wonder if the Jab pilot had enough insurance to cover the situation if the other aircraft had gone down?

....showing the audience one of the secrets, and dangers of High Wire Acts, and ..............

"........standing directly behind you."

"Not any more" said Jo who was part of the High wire act and had in one giant leap had made the top of the Watts Linkage which held the wire.

"Who cares about a flea-ridden pair of old snoozers like you" he sneered at the lions, but what he didn't realise was that a Johnson had been .....................

.......changed the game completely.

Jo saw the claws coming, spring up through the Mcoll Ring (don't you hate it when the press just call it a "ring") slid down the top of the tent, raced into the lions cage and locked the door. (Turbo is now quoting from one of his Grade 3 essays "My night at the circus".)

This confused the lion, which then .....................................