turboplanner

2 hours ago, BrendAn said:

Maybe they wanted a closeup of the crocs😁

or making the brumbies run, or scaring campers and nude sunbakers. When you go through the records there's not much people haven't come unstuck on.  Saddest I know was the Auster pilot a few years ago who flew in to a Western District airfield, had an enjoyable lunch with friends. They drive him back to the airport and he took off then came screaming around in a banked turn through the space between two hangars....which had a very secure power cable between them. He burnt to death at the feet of the friends.

On 20/11/2022 at 4:29 PM, IBob said:

Blueadventures, any idea what went wrong that they had to ditch???

This doesn't indicate a ditching:  

On this particular morning, however, Rogin had taken a different path, eager to show his passenger some crocodiles in the Proserpine River.

Unfortunately, during this process the plane had started to lose altitude and before he could pull-up it suddenly hit the water.

“It made a huge bang and I actually thought we’d hit a boat,” explained Rogin.

It looks to me like:

(a) Flying below 500 feet

(b) Camera syndrome (someone in the aircraft wants a special photo, and tells the pilot to "turn, turn, turn"....."more, more" the pilottries to see what the passenger is looking at and the get into a spiral dive or stall.)

Flying at 500 feet gives an excellent wide view above ground obstacles, insurance from power lines, wind shear, minor mistakes.

Camera flying/whale or croc spotting: photos, spotting ahead  up to quarter view, pilot does the flying, passenger does the photo/spotting. Where the camera passes the perfect shot, rate 1 turn and oval back, then back up the track for a better position. I just counted 84 shots in 1 hour ground to ground using this method.

3 hours ago, Jabiru7252 said:

I was taught that if the engine died during circuits you DO NOT have to land on a runway. Aim to get back on the ground in one piece and if that means landing across runways and taxi ways then so be it. Better than landing in some poor plebs backyard or worse, in their bedroom.

Yes. This was a sucessful forced landing where the pilot almost pulled off a landing on a trotting track.

At Moorabbin many successful forced landings have been made on he local golf courses without any damage.

Several forced landings have been made in the training area, and one was made on Ferntree Gully Road, but too many power lines, hit one just before touch down, evacuated 4 then the aircraft caught fire.

A few have died trying to make the airfield.

7 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

Once, in the air, I heard a vh pilot told off by a glider-pilot for " Occupying the airwaves with useless rubbish" and the glider pilot sure had a point.

These days, I use the 126.7 unicom frequency and I often wonder just where the reporting aircraft is. There is no attempt made to say just what place they are "on downwind" for.

I guess I should just ask them.

My head's spinning too much to unravel that riddle, but the guy calling downwind may have called "Edenhope Traffic" at the take off. A set frequency for the airfield helps.

11 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

.......someone who can, and rushed into town to get Sheldon.

The gangling young man got out of the still smoking cop car, climbed up on the fuel tank, slipped and barked his shin, and grabbed at the hand rail launching himself out into space, but luckily swinging aroud the half circle where one of his runners squeezed into a tiny foot hole.

 

Such was Sheldon's first experience of Kenworth ergonomics. 

 

He turned the key; the big Cummings engine growled into life. Not worrying about a logbook, like all good truckies  he headed down the highway, leaving a trail of cowsh!t that saw a Mustang gyrate three times behind him, and a guy on a Harley completely disappear.

 

"Constable Cheryl had married my father, who had a fleet of heavy trucks that used to move "produce" for the Griffith "guys", and my dad spoke to me in hushed tones about somebody who was a legend of the heavy haulage caper. My dad said that this guy was a guru but always hid his light under a bushel yet knew it all. I'm sure if I ring dad, he could arrange for this mystical person to come down here. But I'll also ask dad about this derolict old scrubber who is up in the cab now & reaks of Tia Maria, Maria and rotting teeth. What name did he give you?"

 

"His name is Mr. A. Turbine Plonker, but that makes him sound much better than he is, so it is probably a fake ID" replied the other copper.

 

The 1st walloper fell to his knees and did a spoonfull. "That's the guy" he stammered breathlessly & fell again prostate to kiss Turbo's feet (erky perky) like Mother Teresa and the Pope.

 

"Don't kiss my ring" said Turbo and the copper replied "Don't worry about that Sir Turbo, because as legendary as you are, there is no way that I am ever going anywhere near that, and he was then violently pushed aside while Turbo quickly filled in his log book, expertly notating that he left Henty at 2:15 and it was now 2:47, so he had been travelling at 99.9 km/hr, and wasn't yet due for a rest break. Not many people know how thoughtful owners and drivers in the truckie business are, and that stock trucks are fitted with a "slops" tray, so that when they come to a stop at the traffic in a town, the driver pulls a little lever and thye drain tap closes, so little old ladies don't finish up with speckled dresses. The two cops had pulled up within 50 mm of the trailer as they do, and when he pulled out into the traffic they stayed there, as they do, and it was then that he pulled the lever..........................

 

1 hour ago, MattP said:

If the speculation that this was a first solo is true then he did a spectacular job, regardless he walked away and nobody got hurt. That's a win and you'd have to be happy with that. Hopefully he keeps at it too.

 

Regarding glide approaches, consider that at class d airports like this you're at the mercy of the traffic. I've put a track of my circuits last week at Moorabin. I tend to like to fly a tight circuit that allows me to glide back to the airport if not the runway I was using, rather than landing on houses/ bunnings.

 

You can see here the one circuit I did without traffic, then others either following others who circuit like they're in an a380 and also where I had to extend for traffic joining base. Glide approaches are nice but not always practical in these airports.

 

Also there tends to be a trend toward teaching circuits using landmarks rather than reference to the runway I've seen, not sure what the go is there but I learned to use the runway as your reference for  circuits. 

VERY neat circuits (but you wanted me to say that didn't you.) The circuits of the guy in Sydney were nearly as good, so I'd say he was a long way past first solo.

.......someone who can, and rushed into town to get Sheldon.

The gangling young man got out of the still smoking cop car, climbed up on the fuel tank, slipped and barked his shin, and grabbed at the hand rail launching himself out into space, but luckily swinging aroud the half circle where one of his runners squeezed into a tiny foot hole.

Such was Sheldon's first experience of Kenworth ergonomics. 

He turned the key; the big Cummings engine growled into life. Not worrying about a logbook, like all good truckies  he headed down the highway, leaving a trail of cowsh!t that saw a Mustang gyrate three times behind him, and a guy on a Harley completely disappear.

Constable Cheryl followed behind ..............................

19 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Jerry - Re the University of Newcastles printable solar panels, I found this in their FAQ's .....

 

 

This would have to be a major University waste of time and effort on a project of no promise, wouldn't it? I mean to say, everyone is looking to reduce waste in our new, clean, green world - and here's a bunch of researchers producing printed, foldable solar panels that only last a year or two - creating a vast amount of landfill - and their efficiency is 1% - 2%?? I could get more efficiency out of a magnifying glass setting fire to wood shavings!

 

On top of that, they're carrying 12 roll-out solar panels that weigh 18kgs each - making a load for the car of 216kgs! And no-one even mentions how long it takes to recharge the Tesla from those roll-out panels!! You sit around for hours while your 2% efficient solar panels, that weigh a staggering amount, trickle-charge the car? These Uni people really do love wasting money on projects with little future promise!

Universities never fail to surprise me. That's an old invention, around 2003, I was going to use it to power semi trailers. It was a derivative of Contact, the sticky sided prints we used to use to modernise our homes, then rip them off 6 months later (so I should have smelt a rat), they were touted to replace the silcon panels which were going through a let down period when we discovered they collected dust so needed a washing regimes, didn't produce anywhere near their rated out look, would crack etc. so we were more cautious but got the horse and cart into motor vehicle branding, someone will invent a fix tomorrow afternoon etc., and it was crap, that's if you could connect it so we didn't go further than the samples.

14 minutes ago, old man emu said:

One point I can agree with Bruce on is the ridiculous amounts governments charge for permissions to do things. I appreciate that there are costs involved in purchasing and maintaining the electronic devises used to store all the databases holding the information required for the task, but that cost is spread over a large population. I am about to renew the registration and CTP on one of my vehicles. It will be done on-line by sending a few kilobytes through the Internet. That will involve an expense of a few cents, or less.

Yes, a lot of industries have failed to adapt and lower prices. Some of them have been wiped out by new business models.

One industry is newspapers where they originally had to write a story by placing little squares of font a letter at a time, checking for typos upside down in racks which would then be clamped and a test printed for further checks. If the stories didn't fit the page the letters had to be picked out and put in again until the page looked OK. You can imagine what cut and paste did for that industry, but they didn't lower the price of the papers.

Then huge presses had to be bought and amortised, and city newspapers would go hundreds of kilometres with semi trailers to pick up pib rolls of paper, then the presses would roll and papers would be loaded into dozens of trucks and raced out into the suburbs. The trucks carrying newspapers from Perth to Geraldton had to travel at night and had a selection of bull bar plus a new bar for every orifice a dead kangaroo had squeezed into, but they did it night after night. Then along came the internet and digital where it cost no more to send the news to Geraldton than it did to the next desk. Instead of adapting they sold subscriptions at the same price as newspapers........................

38 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Attempt to commit an offence:

(1) A person who attempts to commit an offence is guilty of the offence of attempting to commit that offence and is punishable as if the offence attempted had been committed.

 

Thanks for that.

I have to convince some bros who adopted a name to get grant money that it's not a good idea to attampt to stitch up a further $3.5 billion.

Life wasn't meant to be easy.

21 minutes ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

What about taking responsibility for your own actions? I like this idea better than the alternative one of giving up your liberty.

Take vaxing as an example... what is wrong with refusing a vax and then catching the disease and dying?

In flying, I have never hurt anybody and don't plan to. What frightens me is being driven out by cost pressures caused by some lot who treat me like an idiot who needs a lot of ( paid for ) supervision.

"What about taking responsibility for your own actions" and "the Nanny State" are still espoused by  a few people, but most have moved on to understanding what duty of care is, even to the legal implications of duty of care to yourself."

Ironically for you, it was your State, South Australia, which kicked that into the past in the mid '80s with the deaths of two children in a Kindergarten.

South Australia also pioneered the responsibility for advice precedent where a woman pulled into a service station with a broken fan belt and the radiator blowing steam. the owner fished around for a belt for a while, then said he didn't have one, so advised her to drive to the other side of town because he knew that service station carried them.

She stook his advice, and halfway across town blew the motor.

The Judge ruled he had given wrongful advice because he should have added, "but if you do you will probably blow the motor."

They wouldn't be the exact words becaise it's from memory 30 years ago, but that's when most of us were updating our procedures and the way we did business.     

Society has moved from having the right to do what you want to having the right to live your life without someone ending it.

I still have the all-time record from SA to a town 19 km from yours in a Desoto on corrugated dirt, but I had to change, so why not you?

31 minutes ago, Bosi72 said:

What happened, or what is happening to LPG/LNG ? We may not be rich in oils, but we have large amount of gas, here in Victoria.

My other car is LPG-only Commodore and I noticed they have closed LPG bowsers at 2 out of 4 local petrol stations. 

The problem is they simply close the tap without providing an alternative. None of those stations have electric chargers.

LPG started out as a VERY cheap fuel.

At the time I was designing control systems for electric fork trucks, I had to move to drawing up an LPG unit, and LPG worked very well in that industry for decades.

I supplied a lot of LPG conversions for trucks for much cheaper running with the low LPG cost.

There was nothing like a big 392 cu in V8 powered 8 tonne International for fast trips out into the country and back before the 100 km/hr limit. Chrysler had the 318 cu in V8 which was almost as fast. I designed a 25 passenger coach once to operate out of Mildura with the girls basketball team to go to Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney etc at a comfortable 135 km/hr cruise. Those were the days and LPG didn't take much off the top and the tank wasn't all that much bigger than a petrol tank.

Holden and Ford both built LPG only car models and the refueling infrastructure started to become reasonable.

Naturally the Commonwealth Government replaced the excise they were losing with an excise on LPG, and the retailers bit by bit moved the price up close to petrol prices.

The result was a big shift to diesel, which killed the big petrol engine builds.

Then LPG failed the Emission tests, and no one was able to design an engine which could clean it, so sales of LPG Cars stopped. I've forgotten when that was, but probably 20+ years ago.

Today the refuelling infrastructure is shrinking as the LPG vehicles go to the wreckers a year at a time.

CNG had a short stay.

I had the job of testing a trial truck with the big fleets.

CNG produces less power out of the same engine as a diesel, so the drivers canned it 100%

The tank was huge and operated at 2000 psi, so heavy and that intruded into bin and luggage space. Benders Buse Service in Geelong had a hundred CNG buses, but went back to diesel.

Some people persevered with them in trucks where speed wasn't an issue, but the refuelling infrastructure was never as promised, and only a few diehards use them thes days.

The hundreds of years supply of Bass Strait gas disappeared. Perhaps it was sold to the Chinese for 1.5 c/lt, perhaps the story was BS.  Same with the northwest shelf. 

24 minutes ago, Mike Gearon said:

Is this true?

Have all your landings been hands off the throttle, or do you adjust for under/over glidepath?

11 hours ago, old man emu said:

The indictable offences would be those relating to obtaining benefit (money) by deception ( fraud).

Is attempting to obtain benefit by deception an indictable offence?

.....and Turbo can confirm that on tranny nights he and Loxy had to do a lot of auto correcting to some of the out of control players that frequented the BoB in those days. Constable Doubtfire was particularly difficult because she'd fix you with that deep stare which said "You pull me into line and I'll get you out on the hughway tomorrow" and she always did; you'd usually be in a hurry but the siren would go off and she'd hold you up for an hour. Her favourite place was a big spreading Jacarana tree on the Olympic Highway near Henty. She'd park the car in under the big branches and was hidden from sight both ways. One day Turbo was driving one of Finemores stock trucks down to Melbourne with a big load of heiffers on board and as he came around the corner saw a tiny glint of chome through the Jacaranda branches. He slowed down and carefully parked right up against the tree, which was quite legal, but boxed Doubtfire in. He pretended to fill out his logbook and take his rest break; he knew he had CD boxed in and she knew his rest break had to last for at least half an hour and the Heoffers couldn't hold on any longer and...............

42 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Analysing some photos the aircraft  may have had the engine failure at the end of downwind because the direction of landing was the direction of the Base leg as indicated by the black arrow and the red premises marker.

 

If you noved the arrow to the right, above the track that's about what the track shows. Looked light just a little too much float to get it stopped on the track.

.......being put off by Cappy's BO, becaise Cappy always wanted to watch, not being able to carry out his own duties.

However, we digress.

The Electric Drifter had taken off, but no one knew who was flying it. From its erratic path ..............

45 minutes ago, Yenn said:

If he was on final when the engine stopped why didn't he make the field. Another case of relying on power to complete the landing.

The tracking shows 12 very neat circuits then straight on from downwind headed for the long straight of an oval dirt track, presume trotting track with what looked like enough room to stop and what may have happened was some Warrior float then maybe landed but ran off the end of the straight on the curve, through the fence/any poles etc and came to rest on the car.

2 hours ago, BrendAn said:

https://www.facebook.com/Macca007/videos/667189751516136/

Truckies will solve the problem every time.

I saved one's job once when the Company was going to sack him for deliberately continuing to drive a truck and blowing the motor instead of stopping.

The driver said there was no indication; the motor just crapped itself.

He certainly wasn't far from his depot but I pointed out there was a telephone box on the highway a few kilometres back and everyone knows a truck always breaks down either in the depot or at a telephone box.

48 minutes ago, jackc said:

I pretended to be a Radio And Electronics Engineer for 30 years in my own business, self taught and not a piece of paper to my name, my reputation got me my projects both in Australia and Overseas. I was a Defence Dept contractor, worked for Govt departments and was involved in Legislative changes within a Govt Dept.  Multimillion dollar mining projects.  I did design work, carried out radio survey work.  I was asked to Tender on a Military project, one that I gave  a riding statement that none of what would work that was tendered for.  I provided a second tender to my design guaranteeing a working system.  I even fronted Army Headquarters Russel Offices in Canberra personally and presented my reports, system plans and MY tender design and got the job.  
I have proved you don’t need to be qualified in ANYTHING,  to succeed.  

So, am I a fraud?  None asked for my Diplomas so I did not have to tell lies, I just did my work to my best ability. Did any of my jobs fail, was anybody killed?  I will go to my grave proud.   Any that think I am a fraud can go f….themselves!!

I consider myself to be FIGJAM in this life 🙂 

While nothing happens nothing happens, and what you are talking about is not unusual at all. I've submitted many government tenders and never been asked for any qualifications.

Where it kicks in, and is very unfair is when something goes wrong.

When that happens, the person who was good at remembering what he read and answering exam questions for five years, gets a tick and nothing more is said.

When you are asked you're a qualified Engineer and you have to say no, it's all over; you weren't qualified to design the thing.

So Insurance cover will be denied on those grounds, and if someone has been injured or killed, your almost cetain to be paying.

Where it's not fair is the person with the Diploma, who was good at memorising what he read, may have little or no experience whereas you might be qualified by 40 years of experience building the same thing over and over again, and never had a failure, and on this occasion it was someone else's mistake anyway.

A survey done on Monash University a couple of years ago identified that 40% of what the University was teaching was not useable by Industry - so how good would their diplomas be.

Australia is long overdue in going for a teaching regime of modules where the starting point was the base academics, but the person could pass practical modules in his workplace like an Apprentice does, and have the credentials to show he was one of the top engineers in his industry.

......TwoTimer, as you can see from the double posts where Cappy was sniffing aroud right beside Turbo.

This couldn't last.................

........Billy Holliday and she had been taught to sing at the Wagga Boys Club, so finished up with quite a deep, but attractive voice, from trying to stay in key with the older boys. Unfortunately that wasn't all she syaed in key with and .....................

.......time for those Dad’s Army dudes who only lied Enid Blighting stories. As Enid said to Turbo once “Pink gets swamped by exciting young fans, and all I get are those xxxxxxx xxxxx half of them with no hair and the other half with no teeth. I.....

3 minutes ago, jackc said:

I would like the whole story warts and all, but as usual we won’t get to see it 😞 

Yes you will; there will be a transcript of the Court Proceedings, the judges decision and his reasons.

35 minutes ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

I don't like any of this stuff. It reeks of excessive use of power to me, like you would expect from a fascist state.

Nobody was hurt, yet a bloke is going to jail for bureaucratic reasons.

Well it's unlicensed flying, but also fraud to the value of $30,000.00

We'll know the penalty and reasons this week.