turboplanner

Just now, jackc said:

The FAA’s FAR Part 103 regime is looking better all the time, No Licence and NO rego and just go flying……hang the consequences and just take all responsibility:-). 

You probably produced about 10 nodding heads  within CASA and RAA there.

10 minutes ago, jackc said:

There were allegedly quite a few radio transmissions by the Glider, NONE from the other aircraft?

As an investigator, what does that tell you.

15 minutes ago, aro said:

What does "drivers ... not of the Caucasian nor Asiatic physiognomy" mean?

Just that

This thread started with a report that a family criticised ATSB for not investigating the Gympie collision.

The family will be getting an answer from a Coroner's investigation in this case.

Investigations right back from the Department of Civil Aviation were done to provide information which might prevent future repeated incidents.

If you think about it, if there were no radio transmissions and if neither aircaft were in prohibited airspace, what could you investigate?

Just now, aro said:

We know the reason, but perhaps you should ask yourself why you assume non-white people are more of a terrorist threat?

He is not talking about a skin colour, but a trend in the transport industry which is of concern

32 minutes ago, old man emu said:

While driving around Sydney on a recent trip there, I noticed a lot of people undergoing heavy vehicle driving courses. I noticed that most of the student drivers were not of the Caucasian nor Asiatic physiognomy. Most seemed to have roots in placed short distances between the two.

 

Several years ago, around Christmas if I recall, a terrorist drove a heavy vehicle through a crowded pedestrian mall in a European town. It makes me wonder if our Federal counter-terrorism organisations will soon require an ASIC card for those holding a State-issued heavy vehicle driver's licence.

 

Or has my Maths failed me and I've gone 1 + 1 = 3?

Given that it appears all but a handful of the 10,000 RAA members are going about their flying with an ASIC card when they need it, it probably isn't a good thing to talk on a searchable medium about potential threats, but in answer to your question, I can tell you there's nothing heavy vehicle drivers haven't already tried but the potential harvest is too low.

I could tell you privately though about the day the Federal Police Sergeant walked into the office and asked if I could identify a white truck;a fascinating conversation.

25 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

If you investigate fatals only you learn nothing statistically valid about the cause of accidents, you have to have an accident and incident reporting system that works, 

Yes, I hadn't thought that through. Currently it appears from the reports that one person is editing reports which come in from the pilot.A lot of those have been reasonable, but where they get flakey it would be good for RAA to question the pilot. If the person has to travel, then expenses climb.

However, we don't get to choose any system. RAA Ltd makes its own decisions.

16 minutes ago, aro said:

It might be readily known, but I don't know it.

 

I can't see how you would expect a single person to do it properly. You need multiple people, backed up by counselling etc. if they are expected to attend accident scenes or investigate accidents involving people they knew. A budget to spend on specialist reports if necessary.

 

A budget to do real accident investigations probably starts at several million dollars.

People don't die that often, let's say 8 this year, so I think one person could handle it; there's a time delay for requests to come back etc so there would probaby be half a dozen cases in the system rolling over all the time. Total cost around $600,000/year divided by 10,000 fees = $60.00 per member extra.

14 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

For a time there, despite the limitations around working with the Coroner, RAA was pretty good at passing on safety lessons to us.

Yes, but we dumped them on the grounds that it was set up like a cricket club.

6 minutes ago, aro said:

Does RAA pay (market rate) for people to do this? Or are they volunteers? Somehow I doubt RAA has the structure or budget to support this type of activity.

 

Hard to criticise someone who doesn't want that job!

It says a little bit about RAA Ltd that this information isn't readily known.

In the Association days the person was well known, attended functions to talk about safety and regularly posted safety information, and was respected by the members for his skill. Still may well be the same person.

2 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

Emergency personnel are officially directed not to post pix of accident scenes- presumably their organisation’s disciplinary processes apply. How to stop members if the public from doing so? We try to cover up the gory stuff and keep them away. 
 

I have been traumatised at an accident scene by the frantic arrival of the deceased’s sobbing hubby, who had been told about her prang by a well-meaning passer-by. Sure makes it harder for first responders.

 

Even worse is the wrong people being told their loved one has been in an accident. This can happen if a driver was using someone else’s ID. A case of this caused a family member, as a police person, years of agro when he did a death knock at the wrong household.

All of the things you mention have been handled well around Australia by the separation of activities between Police, and ATSB investigators/RAA investigators, with RAA investigators being called in by Police rather than just showing up with the first witnesses. For a start, RAA may have to fly in from interstate, so I don't see these concerns as likely to happen.

Nobody has said the Police will be making any changes, so that line of evidence to the Coroner won't change.

This might be as simple as RAA advising the Police there are no issues to pursue because, for example the pilot flew into a powerline, or was doing aerobatics etc.

2 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Not being an addict to social meeja, it would not have crossed my mind that such things happen. However, how do you stop addicts from posting? 

To be fair, inappropriate photos don't appear too often, although I think FB has an algorithm to refuse them anyway.

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1 hour ago, facthunter said:

 I doubt RAAus has the authority. They can assist the POLICE if requested by them.   Nev

We talked about that previously; check the statement in this thread.

20 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

So if "ASIC is part of a living, ongoing, counter terror strategy" and I have no doubt that it is - it just happens to be a failed strategy, for all the aforementioned reasons, why then doe it not apply to non RPT airfields.

I spent the most part of this day, at a very busy, non ASIC, airfield, within spitting distance of Sydney,  that had  a plethora of aircraft,  from hot air balloons, gliders,  fixed wing single seat experimental, jet trainers, twine turbine (12 seats?) Blackhawk choppers and others not known to me. Not a security guard in site and the public (there in droves looking for " joy" flights) were all very well behaved - where are all the terrorists lone long time passing ? (

Skippy we brought an alleged one home to us from Syria today.

He was allegedly trained in a bookshop in Springvale which allegedly radicalised many.

Did you check to find out if the airfield was exempt? I can understand your feelings, but so far, as far as I am aware no one including the OP has contacted his local Federal MP to raise the issue and if no one is motivated enough to make the effort it's a dead issue.

"He said there was "self-administration arrangements" for the recreational sector to undertake its own accident investigations"

Maybe the Self Administering Organisation should step up.

Thanks Red

18 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

OME you perhaps should add that those pix and footage should be strictly kept off social media.
I bet you’ve seen too often how family members have heard about an accident the wrong way. 
I sure have.

Some have been in the next accident while taking photos. Two were killed this week exchanging names and addresses for a minor accident, so you make a good point, but phots do beat the hesaid/shesaid problem.

6 hours ago, RFguy said:

spacecraft ?

I'd say deliberately put in to trip someone up; worked.

When posting a new thread in Incidents and Accidents, could people please include the make of aircraft if known; accident/fatal etc; date.

We now have about 10-15 years of data in this section and often, if we can pick up a previous make of aircraft or the date we can correlate similarities., or build statistics by year.

4 hours ago, turboplanner said:

https://www.raa.asn.au/storage/raaus-constitution.pdf

Would 6.1 (b) have been your sticking point?

https://www.raa.asn.au/storage/raaus-constitution.pdf

14 hours ago, onetrack said:

......the overcharging caused by the wing solar panels, thanks to that really sunny day, today. OT says he's still working on the the algorithm corrections in the BMS software, but he'll have it sorted shortly - and besides, he says the heat output can be be utilised for pilot seat warming, anyway, making the "Electric Drifter experience" a wholly satisfying one."

 

Right about then, OT received a call from Xi Jinping. Xi wanted to discuss a licencing deal for electric Drifters to be built in China. "No wucken furries, Mate!," said OT, who was on good terms with Xi, after OT had recently provided some excellent advice to him, as regards cutting-edge developments in cat farm technology (thanks to a few revealing discussions with Turbo).

 

OT went on, "I can organise all the fine details for a licence to build, for a very modest three-way percentage level (working on Turbo's excellent 3-way share system of, 'one for you, one for you, and two for me').

Xi was chuffed on hearing this advice and said, "This is the best news I've had in recent times, and Confucius knows I need it. If we develop our electric aircraft industry in tandem with our major global drive into EV's, who knows, very soon we'll be beating the Yanks, hands down!"

 

"You haven't heard the best bit yet", said OT. "I'm working on a system where we can harvest Drifter electrical recharge from lightning bolts in thunderstorms. The idea is, you spot a thunderstorm and aim your Drifter right at it, and as soon as a lightning strike hits your aircraft, you'll be charged up enough to get another 500 NM in range, and the lightning strike also conditions the battery cells, so they can........

 

... be disposed of safely."

"Have you tested it yet?" asked bull who had been battling to get a word in.

"No" said OT rather dismissively and realised everyone was looking at him. At this time black clouds started to dorm over the Otways, and lighning flashed down.

"I'll get a MET report" said OT and everyone burst out laughing at such an old-fashioned idea, so there was nothing for it but to fly into the thunder claps.

"This accident scene is very strange" thought the ATSB Investigator. OT was part melted into the undercarriage. "He'll be alright" thought Turbo who had been called to the scene. "He's got no legs, but those STOL tyres should get him most places."

Not many people know this (as a CIA operative, Turbo was briefed on it), but this is what happened to the USS Eldridge. They'd been running both generators at the same time to prevent rusting in the bores and clogging of the capsules. There was a clap of thunder and a bolt of lightning which blinded all the sailors on the other ships in the flotilla. As academics know, lightning and electricity don't mix, but the Eldridge became invisible to all the other ships, and sailors were welded to various parts of the Eldridge. They're still there stuck to the big E, and the US Navy veterans Association has people go and feed them every day, read the news and these days makes sure their phone batteries are charged, but it's still top secret. If ever a US ship is attacked in a storm, the Captain knows what to do, but it's now policy to get the sailors indoors first.

OT ..................

[Victorian Premier Daniel (the Lion) Andrews has just announced that Point Nepean has been renamed Battery Pointand this will eventually be the Gateway to Tasmania once they start dumping batteries from EVs and toxic fibreglass blades and generators from wind farms, where an entire changeover is due to start in March 2023]

20 hours ago, jackc said:

An then, just image the machine the Part 103 ‘Dingo’  now this would be fun 🙂 

 

https://youtu.be/UmKW9ajxQ3k

 

 

Have you looked at the aircraft approved for flying in Australia, and advertised in Australian publications?

7 hours ago, facthunter said:

Jack, People I would trust have always recommended GA EXP. I don't think RAAus is going to get better. Both organisations lack experienced staff in practical matters aviation.   Nev

I can't speak for GA EXP, but in RAA, when people realised more effort was needed to curb red herring agendas, anf focus on running the organisation, the majority of the members stood back and did nothing, a few pursued their own agendas,  few tried to fix it then wimped it on the day, and some people actively put sticks through the spokes of the people trying to fix it. Virtually no one stood up against the few who wanted to change it to a limited company even though that meant we lost the protection built into Incorporated Associations by the ACT Department of Justice, and we lost the voluntary manpower that most Associations have to do things like we are talking about now, because LImited companies have to employ people, and the minimum number of people in order to make a profit/break even. If RAA is not going to get better, you don't crow about it, you fix it.

5 hours ago, Student Pilot said:

There are many levels of security from local to federal, it seems none talk to each other.

Why do you say that?