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It would appear, quite apart from other events, the most public memory of the 2017 event will "the fence".At 750nm direct, w/o a fuel stop, it will never be a consideration for me in any case.

 

I have travelled further (half a dozen times to Oshkosh) but that is at a completely different level & for a week long event.

Yes frank, your right mate, Sadly I think natfly/Narromine/air venture what ever they want to call it now is well and truly dead. For the costs involved and the money that members of RAA and others that was wasted on this mismanaged debarkle,,,I could not see the RAAhighracky getting away with the waste of members funds again. And as you and many other members have stated on here and elsewhere,it is not an event on our calenders, more fun and better attractions and people at nearly any small """flyin'' very much like Natfly used to be,,,,,very sad and I think monck and co will have a hard time shaking the shit off from this one...........

 

 

Raa have little to do with it other than assist and give finacial supportIts essentially as a not for profit event by volunteers

Contact the organisers

 

Yes you could walk out airside and wander through aircraft wasnt very hard

Well what was the point in a 6 ft bloody fence then???

 

 

I'm not sure where you are coming from? The big fence at narromine was only in the road of a few aircraft you could still quite happily wander through it to look at the static display aircraft.

But those few aircraft where the high end type and most interesting for kids and photos for the average joe, ie re fighters warbirds etc

 

 

Over the past couple of hours I've analysed the readily available statistics, and what I said about Victoria is repeated around Australia.We've been talking about Speedway. Other forms of Motorsport, particularly those administered by CAMS certainly are nothing like they used to be - but they are not speedway.

We negotiated PL Insurance on a per race meeting basis in the 1980s, and were able to bring costs under control.

 

We set the safety fence height at 1.5 metres, and catch fence top at 4.2 metres with a cant, also in the mid 1980s.

 

So those two items are very old news, and we faced no major obstacles on either.

 

Gate fees are determined by the promoter, so there could be some gouging, but spectatpr levels indicate that they are reasonably in line with inflation.

 

Most speedways went dry in the 1980s in Victoria, and police presence quickly faded, but I'm not sure about other States.

 

Once again you are talking motorsports, and the discussion is about speedway; in Victoria the 1980s are still operating the only exception I could find was Nhill. Most of the names in the other States are familiar to me, but some could have dropped out; the situation has always been fluid.

 

You probably won't pick up a $50.00 car any more ready to race, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could get one ready to race for $500.00. That's what I call entry level; a lot of teenagers race today.

 

However, the proof is in the pudding; in the mid 1980s we insured 105 race tracks Australia-wide.

 

Over the last couple of hours, I've identified 109 tracks and that's not all of them; I can't pick up the smaller independent tracks you may be referring to.

 

There's no fall off in tracks; we've grown steadily.

 

I also identified 68 classes of cars and bikes. That's grown substantially, and there are plenty of open wheelers racing all over the country.

 

Speedway is integrated vertically by car class, so most have their own National Body which decides things like specifications and championships.

 

It is horizontally integrated by States, reflecting State laws, and distances.

 

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Whats SPEEDWAY??? is that that thing we all used to go to on Friday or Saturday night with all the great racing and smash up derbys etc hav,nt seen one around here for ages, oh I think they might have the high end sprint cars every blue moon in Mackay but any where else up here ,,,NOPE ,used to be a great track at Ayr but gone now ,used for motocross now,,,,so I think your blowing bubbles Turbo....................................

 

 

My guess and it is just a guess, is it could have something to do with CASA restricting access to the flight line or the airshow aircraft.

I heard a rumour it was to ensure that all patrons paid to get in and to stop people from just coming in in an aircraft and walking onsite without paying,,,,,money grabbing really ,over the top security to the detriment of the event , and view

 

 

Be interesting to hear whose idea it really was and "why" as opposed to just guessing why.No such thing at an open day at local RAAF base this year, plenty of aircraft up close etc - seems to suggest it was "someone's" idea as opposed to a requirement?

I think you may be right Frank,,,,,looks like overkill to stop gatecrashers jumping the fence,after the mighty dollar to the detriment of the visual aspect of the event, bit of an oxymoron, want the money and no gatecrashers , but lets spoil the view with a fence,,,?????idiots me thinks !!!

 

 

I wonder if it's related to the delay in organising it with the recent issues and they had to find a different Insurance company who requested this?You need to write to people as well as here Guys, I won't be going next year if it's going to be like that.

You wont be alone in not going next year Bex,,,everyone I have spoken too has said the same thing,,,,Natfly is really dead

 

 

We see it Bex. The changes are slow but obvious.

What through the fence

 

 

Yeah, lets see it, it might be the winner!

 

 

I just had a quick visit to Oz (and now back again), it is the Nanny State.

 

You guys don't see the change as much as me as it evolves around you gradually.

Not very forthcoming to the promotion of aviation ,,,It,s like , yeah come and see the aircraft learn all about flying and be told what you cant do, as that's all there is now <and look from afar and don't touch ,,,oh don't mind the fence you can still stick your camera through the holes,,,,,,,,[but only till next year as the slight risk that you might drop your camera lense cover and cause a major FOD event has caused us to put up shade cloth covering on the fences next year , but we will have video monitors around the stalls for you to catch all the action, and photos can be purchased at the photo stalls ]

 

 

[GALLERY=media, 3623]Ross And Lightwing At Heatrow Aug 2013 by bull posted Dec 6, 2015 at 10:32 PM[/GALLERY]Bloody terrible effort by organisers, one sure way to turn people away, have you ever seen a 6 ft fence at a car show???????around the most interesting cars ??

 

 

What is everyone take on looking at aircraft through a 6 ft wire fence with a stupid photo competition through the FENCE ???????

 

 

It is posts like this that put people off using these forums.

Agreed Techy, I was only saying what I had heard at the field,and Oscar jumped on the bandwagon like a defence lawyer,,,,,,,

 

 

More BS. In a glider, you establish FUST ( Flaps, Undercart, Speed, Trim) on downwind and you don't set them up for diving inverted into the ground. You modify your circuit height and speed by the use of the brakes and sideslipping.

This aircraft did NOT dive into the ground INVERTED as you state,,,,the aircraft was seen to be on a stable approach on final at a height of 40 to 50 feet ,and then seen to nose over and dive STRAIGHT into the ground Oscar,this could easily be caused by an involuntary slight movement forward of the stick from muscle spasms etc or if the student was following on the stick and holding a little down pressure and suddenly the instructors stick released any imput, I don't know as I have already stated ,But you seem to know what happened Oscar , so could you please let us uninformed know so that we ignorant stupid PILOTS DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THANKS

 

 

You asked to be slapped - so be slapped. I suggest that you at least acquaint yourself with the ergonomics of a modern glider cockpit before making ignorant comments.

Ouch,,,,thanks Oscar,it,s good to know that the modern ergonomics of a modern glider will land the glider safely in the event I had an incapacitating event ,and those said controls cannot be interfered with by muscle spasms etc,,

 

 

There's been an autopsy report released already?How do you fall forward on the stick from a semi reclining position with a 4 point harness?

Not sure Mike,only what I was told ,maybe had landing trim on and let go of the stick,,sorry all, and my condolences to family and we best wait till the official report RIP

 

 

Seems,to be a case of pilot incapacitation I was told today,,Instructor had a heart attack and fell on the stick,,,,,second hand info , so slap me if I,m wrong,,,sorry

 

 

 

Lettuce give Bull the benefit of the doubtPoor little Fokker

has so much trouble getting under the lettuce picking machine to clean out those annoying little alf,s that get caught in the combs of the machine,,,,,Those little fockers come running every time I start to pick me lettuce said Bull as he streached out to his full height of over 6 foot and shook his hands to get rid of the bits of crushed alfs,,,,,,, little fockers !!!!,he exclaimed I hate em .............

You're as slow as an Italian dressing ...Light aircraft down near Gatton

Your right , but I can lift heavy things ddrrrr....................

 

 

Light plane crashes into a lettuce field in Queensland | Daily Mail Online

umm.....so..... do you think it's possible?

Not in the slightest really ,I,ve walked all over the topof the rock and there is only really enough flat spots to land a chopper, so no.

 

 

How are you sure? You saw it?

And how are you so sure he is "for it anyway,,,,:as you say,,,,where YOU there turbo??

 

 

,I also have heard about the rock landing whilst I was working building the road from the rock to the olgas so it might have happened.This was in the early nineties

 

 

Anthony Philip Whiteway, who parked his aircraft in front of a Newman (WA) pub, plead guilty to committing an act likely to endanger the life health or safety of a person.He was fined $5,000.00 plus court and towage costs.

Was an unairworthy aircraft with no wings that he also taxied around the town in ,,,do sum research turbohttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-18/man-who-taxied-plane-down-main-street-of-newman-fined/5901162 bit different scenario I think and not a real good choice to use to back up your argument ahTurbo

 

 

public access requires a driver's licence and a roadworthy car.

Tell that to the millions of dirt bike riders who ride on public land and beaches etc lol and also on private property ie the servo forcourt and those dirt roads to the side are private property,and I,m sure he would have only taxied up to the edge of the forecourt and pushed it to the pumps anyway all legal..............

 

 

Investigation: AO-2017-005 - Collision with terrain involving Cessna C172M, VH-WTQ, near Agnes Water, Queensland, on 10 January 2017 provides some detail.

A bit funny how a witness on the beach who saw the accident said the aircraft was flying parallel/along the beach and then suddenly banked to the left and impacted the beach just after that dog leg in the beach with those sort of higher trees on the corner, and the tip of the left wing seems tohave several small dints and impact damage on it as if the aircraft was snagged on the outer tip of branches and dragged into a stall to impact where it has??? Also as the witness on the beach did not mention anything about the engine cutting out before impact.i still find it hard to believe ""lowflyers account of the accident as ,as the report says he was flying 2nm behind the other aircraft and did not see the accident take place,? so do I believe his story here or what he told the accident investigators hmmm..........