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The Boeing doesn't have a flying tail either but the horizontal stab moves through large angle through the trim speed range. Strictly speaking it might not be regarded as a flying tail, either. Commanche's do have a flying tail where the whole surface moves. The Tomahawk has a bungee trim for a mass balanced elevator. Fairly conventional though it's not a fail safe set up. No redundancy. I assumed it would be as the Commanche or the Tripacer /Colt. so that's an incorrect assumption on my Part. Sorry to have stirred up a hornet's nest, but it's not the essence of the point I wanted to make which relates to the spin characteristics which wouldn't stop me buying one but should be addressed to your satisfaction in your training, or assessment as to it's suitability for you. Nev

@bull I would be very very careful with anything you say from this point on. Facthunter (Neville) is a long time friend of mine, an extremely knowledgable and experienced professional pilot, has flown more aircraft and has more hours than you could ever dream of getting. In this case you would be the keyboard warrior and still at a TIF stage when compared to the experience of Nev

My apologies to you Ian and Facthunter in this case as I,m sure I,am totally out of line ,my query was just ,as I was just asking a normal Question about comparable costs of RAA an ELaaa or GA for that matter igot the feeling from the answers that any sort of negativity to RAA was out of line and I was being made to look stupid to ask? and the plane I was talking about looked 100% a better option ifi was to go that way was all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sorry all.........[as I run under the house screaming yelp yelp yelp]

Well ultimately this will be your call. Have it checked out very carefully by someone who is very familiar with the type, and make sure all AD's are complied with. AOPA USA have an article on the handling of this plane. I doubt it's a problem if you are properly trained have some full spin instruction and be familiar with this aircrafts differences to others like the Cessna 152 re spin recovery techniques. It's safe if you know what you are doing but don't get into one at low level. Normal recovery technique may see it steepen and speed up the rate of rotation, which is normal for this plane. The motor Lyc 0-235 is well proven and reliable if serviced properly and used regularly. Get specific instruction on the flight issues. Don't teach yourself. Nev

Maybe he meant T tail?

He's just a keyboard warrior bull.He's also flown just about everything from very basic ultralights to Boeing 727s on airline service.

Yes

Are you talking about the Piper Tomahawk?

The Tomahawk is really a trainer. GA is about carrying people plus baggage over decent distances to interesting destinations. With a four seater you can take more friends with limited baggage to part fuel distances, but for two people you can do long legs with a lot of overnight gear

New or reconditioned? There is a limit to how many times you can overhaul an engine. I'm not a fan of a flying tail (unless it's on a Boeing.). The traumahawk looks neat .Once they are repainted you don't know what it's covering up? Most of them were used for training. They aren't as bad as some make out. Nev

New or reconditioned? There is a limit to how many times you can overhaul an engine. I'm not a fan of a flying tail (unless it's on a Boeing.). The traumahawk looks neat .Once they are repainted you don't know what it's covering up? Most of them were used for training. They aren't as bad as some make out. Nev

PIPER TOMAHAWK PA-38-112.

That engine could be on it's 3rd life. That's one more than I would recommend so it's a NEW one next up. $40 k.at lest..magneto's every five years .What's the airframe like corrosion wise? spend easy $50 K (flap tracks.) underfloor structure. How much has the prop been cut at the tips? etc .Not new but some have more hours. They aren't very wide in the cockpit. Get a Piper Cub American Champion Citabria, Decathlon. and LIVE.. Yay..PS on second thoughts they will send you broke. unless it has a job of work to do and you know what you are doing. Nev

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Thanks for the neutral support..Actually I mean that, if you are unaware of all the facts then you are perfectly entitled to comment as you have and I take no umbrage at that...this had nothing to do with a beach landing. Woody was carrying out a PSAL at 200 ft when the engine failed.....he had 150 metres of beach in front of him and water in front after that. Historically high wing aircraft with wheels down going into water have a very poor survival rate.......that is why we refused to do reef flights. He made the hard choice and brought it around and back to land on the sand. There was 53 litres of fuel on board, the engine just cut with no missing at all which indicates a break in fuel line or complete ignition failure, ATSB are investigating both of these options.I was there and was capturing fuel as it drained to prevent it falling all over the occupants in the wreckage and administered CPR to the girl who died for over an hour.

I also flew out and brought paramedics back in.

 

I do hope that all those tall poppy arm chair judges I have now seen on this page are ducking for cover and cringing after the faceatious moralistic ill informed judgements they have dared to make.

 

And I would just be willing to bet they are also too gutless to apologise.

Yep, but you're got to actually get it registered GA first...

I was wondering how long it would be before someone mentioned this.

Whilst I understand yr angst towards all light planes being labeled an ultralight most of the gen public whom represent have little to no knowledge of light planes 'group' them all into ultralights. It bothers me none cause in a way they all are if compared to what these gen public normally fly in. Us pilots know what's what, that's all that matters but sometimes the word ultralight kinda fits to highlight a situation.

It's up to you if you want to miss the point of illegal flying; I wasn't discussing the cause.

This is another tragic loss of a very experienced pilot loosing his life in an ultralight WHY?Condolences to his family and friends and I hope we can get some answers.

R.I.P

Many thanks to all that attended,it was a great weekend and hopefully next year will be bigger. those photos and video give a good perspective of what can be done with a bit of drive and planning ahead,very happy with everybody thank you all, Scott....................

I am also already in and can't wait

Scott Duncan Evans

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Just an update and info for lakeside easter flyin,runway directions are 04 and 22 single bitumen runway , and the preffered landing direction is on 22 with departures on 04, 22 is uphill slightly and downhill on 04, please use standard ctaf radio procedures with left hand circuits. aircraft parking and camping will be on southern side of strip in front of the four big hangers, please take note of all marshalling advice and directions thanks, strip has no numbers or piano keys marked, just plain bitumen. Slightly displaced threshold on 22 due to strip repair work please land a little long to avoid small piles of gravel before start of bitumen at start of 22 Please forgive me for grammer and spelling as not my best trait lol,,aircraft are welcome any time before easter if required from thursday onwards . As stated before a vehicle [ my 4x4] will be available for servo runs and if anyone wants to hire a car from Proserpine airport lifts can be arranged ,so you can visit Airlie beach and the Whitsunday islands we are still here and just as beautiful as always [just a bit bare and a short back and sides for a lot of trees] they will grow back\] So am looking forward to seeing you all there then,, ps. This is my first time ever at having to organise anything like this ,so bare with me if i,ve forgotten or left anything out Cheers Scott.......Several owner/pilots live either on the field itself or close by. The area has several close power lines and some noise-sensitive rural neighbors, so keep both in mind if attending for the first time.

Even with a slight tailwind it is preferred by some to always land from the east, although landing from the West is possible but generally downhill all the way. The runway is long however. No charges for landing or camping and sat dinner and breakfast and coffee and tea

will be supplied , and a donation tin will be set up to help with costs .strip is prone to south easterly cross winds . http://airportnavfinder.com/airport/YLAK/

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Hi guys,I am hoping to make my way up there from Mackay to come and say hello but am wondering if this will still go ahead given the recent rains etc.

Are you guys ok up there since the cyclone?

Oh , all good then, mine's a 25 reg factory built. No problem.I completely accept that it's good practice, but they've gone and made it mandatory, and in doing so, have made it either difficult or illegal for some of us to fly.

It comes down to the individual owner too. I have a Dynon SkyView system that records flight, autopilot, navigation & engine information to the datalog twice a second. To supplement that, I installed an automotive dash camera to the rollbar looking over my shoulder & out the canopy, so if I do come to grief, not only do they have the data log, but HD video of my actions leading up to, and during, the event.Now, not everyone can afford, or wants to install, a similar EFIS setup, but even something as simple as the dashcam costs less than $200 and could provide valuable information in the event of an incident.

Well we will having the second lakeside easter flyin on the 15/16 april 2017 all flyers welcome, with no landing or camping fees and a Saturday night dinner of pig on spit ,and sat bbq breaky and bbq breaky sunday morning at our secret spot bbq beach, Aircraft are welcome to flyin on Friday and stay the whole weekend and a vehicle will be available to do food/fuel trips to servo , we are 30 minutes away by car from Airlie beach,if you want to hire a car and look around or you can fly to Whitsunday airport [5minutes away by air]also for those that can you have Hamilton island airport close too, It will be all camping under wing or in tent area, a bbq will be available for use in hanger,,sorry no hangerage available ,will be outside tie downs only. Come along and enjoy like minded chats with other flyers and a good feed to boot! No upfront charge for anything but will have a big money box for donations to help costs, coffee and tea available as well, Should be a good turn out this year with norther flyers and southern flyers attending hope to see you there . Contact Scott 0458912058 / [email protected],and more info via facebook page , Whitsunday flyers .Lakeside Airpark Airport (YLAK) located in Lakeside, Queensland, Australia. Airport ... Latitude: 20-40-54.1191S (-20.681700). Longitude: 148-37-40.8215E (148.628006). Magnetic Variation: ... Longest Runway: 04/22 is 3577 ft (1090 m) long