skippydiesel
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"If it is not published somewhere easy to access then sending an email to the manager of the airport you intend to land at say a week before you intend to land is a reasonable amount of time ahead to expect an transparent cost. If no response then refuse to pay any demand after." As previously mentioned - Contact a Council, for information that should be readily available, can take from, many minutes (if extremely lucky) to several weeks, to get an informed answer. The reality is you get past from one person to another, usually ending with a call back offer (that can take days to weeks to materialise) or delaying requests to put your enquiry in writing (I ask for a contact name to address the email to - more eqivacation). The few Council Fee & Charges web pages, that I have accessed, are so complex that it may take quite some time, just to find the aviation section, which then requires deciphering (not always successful). Your suggestion is fine for commercial aviation activities, that may be repeated over a significant period but not practical for most private/recreational pilots conducting "one off" trips, often at short notice due to weather & other considerations😈
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AI is incorrect - no surprise! I was charged $17/landing Dalby $10.51/landing Neither posted their fee schedule in ERSA 😈
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The impractical suggestion, to contact each and every Council, that does post its landing fees, has been addressed. If what I said, does not answer your statement, please repeat it.😈
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As aviation matters are usually considered to be within Federal jurisdiction , this may be a more consistent/productive direction to explore. As we all know the State system in Au is a drag on our legal and economic system - well past time to get rid of it.😈
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From the ACC; Price displays Businesses must communicate clear and accurate prices prior to consumers booking, ordering or purchasing. They must not mislead consumers about their prices. There are specific laws about how businesses must display their prices. Businesses must display a total price that includes taxes, duties and all unavoidable or pre-selected extra fees. If a business charges a surcharge for card payment, weekends or public holidays, it must follow the rules about displaying the surcharge. If more than one price is displayed for an item, the business must charge the lowest price, or stop selling the item until the price is corrected.
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Agreed! There may be a difference here - Coles & Woolies would seem to have used a process intended to decisive customers, into believing they were getting a product at a lower price. The airport owner are not informing the customer of a price at all. Is this deceptive or just negligent? I guess the outcome is just the same, the pilot/customer gets a demand for payment that could be a lot more than expected. More or less, is the customer/pilot obliged to pay a fee that he/she did not contract for??😈
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I am appalled by this sort of elitist sentiment. What does it matter if its $10 or $10,000? The principal that, you as the customer should know what you are up for BEFORE using the service is I believe, morally and legally required. Next time you go on a multi stage/landing trip (thats if you ever do)- should you not have some idea of what the cumulative landing/parking/overnight (even using certain taxi ways) fees may be?😈
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Thanks Onetrack - I was hoping for some informed legal comment on what I understand is the responsibility of a service/good provider to a propective customer. Not much point in me firing off letters to Councils, if I am wrong in my understanding. 😈
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When did you last try to contact a Council for airport fees? Unless you strike lucky, it will take anything from a few days to weeks for a response. Further, I believe the law requires fees to be "posted" meaning they must be easily accessible to protective customers BEFORE using the good/service. 😈
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What do you feel about offering to/ or being asked to pay a fee, that you do not know what the amount will be, until you receive the bill/invoice???😈
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Turbs, Do you have any legal insight/comment on, what I believe is a requirement under Australian Consumer Law, to post (advertise, etc) the fees that may be levied/charged by an airfield management, should you use their facility??😈
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The above is now the question being asked (note the date). There have been some speculative debate on the topic Unfortunately some tangential stuff, that has almost no relation to the requirement to post all charges/fees, that has largely already been answered much earlier in this thread.😈
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NO! They do not own the airspace above the field. As long as you do not land (wheels touch the ground) you can not be charged. 😈
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You clearly have not read the proceeding threads. This is not about not making a payment for a landing. Nor is it about being billed for landings you did not make. It about knowing what payment will be levied for access/using the airfield. It my contention that all fees/charges for landing etc at an airfield MUST be easily available to the pilot BEFORE deciding to use that airport. I suggest that the above fees/conditions of use should be in ERSA Further - a pilot receiving an invoice for a landing , where no fees are advertised, can legitimately not pay. 😈
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As stated for the third time - both commendable efforts - to be applauded/admired. When/If I ever get to do my cross Australia trip, I am expecting/hoping for some assistance along the way (indeed have made contact with a few Clubs/individuals/ARO's to this end)- friendly fellow pilots to help with fuel acquisition, may be a hanger for the bird & a bed/floor for the pilot. There may even be the offer of a coffee/food. Who knows? The wise pilot will always consult with others regarding weather, safe rout, fuel, etc Need not be more experienced per say - discussion, brings diffrent perspective and, at least for me, is a way of checking my plans. I think (obviously you are a liberty to disagree) that there is considerable difference between receiving between no & some, help on the ground and the consistent assistance/comfort of a traveling support team. 😈
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As acknowledged however being "supported" for the entirety of the "big lap" does not have anywhere near the same demand, on the pilot, as doing it without support. Consider the segment logistics: Someone, other than the pilot, researches & organises the availability of fuel, food, ground transportation & accommodation. Sustenance, clothing, fuel may be carried by the supporting aircraft, giving the pilots aircraft greater range. Assist with, even preparation of flight plans. The non flying component forany long distance trip is huge. The assisted pilot is allowed to focus-on the flying alone. Not so for the truly solo effort. 😈
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I tried to get him interested - Noooo luck, so far😈
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Jennifer's parent flew with her in an other aircraft. Commendable but solo??? I think Rose might have done the job on her own.😈
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Hi Turbs, No idea what topic /point you are addressing here. How about you use your well known legal interest, to address the question of landing fees not being advertised.😈
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I accept your word that this is in fact the regulations / bureaucratic nonsense (aircraft registration determines flight training) BUT what are the reasons, if any, behind such an illogical ruling. I would like to revive my PPL currency (lapsed about 2 years ago). My strong preference (economic/familiarity) would be to the flight review in my own (RAA registered) aircraft. My Sonex has the potential to be GA registered and is compliant with entry to Controlled Airspace, having the necessary, recently checked, communication devises. What practical reasons can their be for not using my own aircraft, other than some bureaucratic "territory" (RAA v GA) ruling???? 😈
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This is a very "long bow" onetrack. I, along with most of you, are private pilots, exercising our right to access a publicly open/available facility. The only business in this equation is the facility supplier.😈
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I am aware that , along with many Australian laws, Consumer Law/Price advertising, is not universally/strongly enforced, that does not change the law itself. I made a tactical error - Not wanting to be pursued by AvData, I payed the requested fess - I should not have.😈
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Thanks Thruster - Great suggestions/options. Concerned about the changes in TO'B manufacture, I am researching for future repairs/maintenance. My brakes have only just over 200 Hobbs hours at this time & still look/work okay.😈
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Wow!!!!! The question was asked on the Sonex Forum. I as a Sonex owner & user of TO'B brakes didn't know the answer and for future needs, thought I should. Thank you for the AI answer - be interesting to see how acurate/helpful it is.😈
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True but thats not my beef. The airports listed, incommon with most, are open to the aviation public (us) ie access in not resricted. As such any terms conditions that are expected of the user (us) must be easily found/available ie published in ERSA. Its my contention, that failing to make fees readily available, renders the charger, in breech of the law. Any lawyers on the Forum???😈
