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It’s one of the topics in a CASA meeting this week, they have a +$20mil black hole in their budget, due to tight fiscal allocation, from the Govt 🤢

It maybe a bait, keep people guessing? They are probably negotiating a better location and will spring it on us, closer to next years planned date 🤩

Two words sum up the modern World? HUMAN GREED

I would alleged RAAus sold the data, so Avdata could bill landing fees, direct to RAAus Stakeholders. RAAus had no rights to release our data to any third party, for any reason?

I would alleged RAAus sold Avdata our Stakeholder database, that information came to me from a spy in the sky. How does that make the Stakeholders feel? The organisation profiting from OUR data?

We once had it when the organisation was Incorporated, but all the members voted to ditch that and go to the current structure we have, and now the Chickens have turned to Emus and come home to roost🤢

Some of the RAAus Stakeholders will always be the ‘Vanguard’ even if the organisation is not. If RAAus folded tomorrow? There will still be torchbearers to carry on🤩

Well, you can fly in controlled air space IF that is something you want? I am enquiring IF I can fly in West Africa, but I don’t think I can on an RPL only a PPL? I have not dug deep on an RPL, maybe I should do so as I have been in SAAA for 4 years, along with EAA in the U.S. because I have a big interest in FAA FAR Part 103?

When the solicitor I’ve been going to for 40 years cares more about me, than what’s in my wallet because he didn’t charge me for the hour of his time I wasted on this rubbish. I’d be more inclined to listen to him, than anybody else.

CASA man said, comes under Part 149 which is RAAus remit. I reminded him CASA are the overarching authority, that went nowhere, I reminded him this has all come out of allegations An RAAus person mislead a Coronial Enquiry, CASA man would not comment. I came close to telling him that CASA need to do their f….. job and keep an eye on Part 149 organisations under CASA responsibility. I am too old to start sh1tstorms over a phone. But IF he was across a table from me, different story……

I did not recommend, but made him aware of a consequential scenario. Sometimes people in authority must accept realism 👍

The CASA man did say, he could not understand why each state amendment needed to be signed. But in saying that, he had not reads the document and was not really interested anyway as it’s not a CASA problem, which is true. he simply said it’s an RAAus problem and WE as members need to fix it? I reminded him we are only Stakeholders in a Company limited by guarantee and as such can have liability attached to us, more so than if RAAus was an Incorporated Organisation, that ship sailed years ago. I reminded the CASA man that IF many left RAAus, they could possibly simply fly unregistered, he said they will catch them and prosecute them. I did not have the heart to tell him, that CASA could not catch a cold 🤩 They staked out a friend of mine over 40 years ago for running an illegal charter service in a DC-3 and they could not catch him 🤩 you can hear them for freaking miles👍

Well, I cannot use this forum to drum up support, Admin may not be happy and from the feedback on the subject in this thread, I would be lucky to get 10 people. no one has DM’d me, what’s that tell you? I have been down these roads before, Australia is spelt “apathy” but I have my own solution to the problem, all my life I have had to look after myself, with very little help from others. The longer I have lived, the worse it’s gotten 🤢 Someone convince me, this argument is worth fighting for?

Update time: After a 30 minute or so phone call with a gentleman from sports and rec in CASA I am no better off. Basically RAAus membership is nothing whatsoever to do with them and the man is correct.. I asked him if he had seen the terms and conditions document and he said no, and he was not aware of it? He said that CASA were not interested in any aspect of RAAUS membership at all. He simply suggested and I reminded him we are stakeholders, band together and approach our AAUS if they are unhappy with the terms and conditions and get them changed to a more understandable and readable format before signing. But it is not up to CASA to become involved in the process in any way whatsoever? I did mention to the gentleman that quite a few members are not happy with the situation and may possibly leave the organisation and continue to fly illegally possibly? He didn’t seem to care too much about that except to say we will catch them and prosecute them and I laughingly said good luck catching everybody. Australia is a big place.? The only way I feel that Casa would listen to anything is if quite a larger number of people expressed their dissatisfaction with the way RAAUS was being run, and protest the situation. But I know that won’t happen most people will simply sign something they can’t understand and continue on their way. The gentleman suggested I approach RAAUS and have the terms and conditions amended to a more easily readable and understandable format, so for me to do that I would need to pay a solicitor to rewrite the document and present it, which I’m not prepared to do. The CASA man did say it would appear. The document is rather complex if it needs individual signatures for the terms and conditions of each state to be signed by everybody., That logic escaped him. So basically, that’s where it’s out right now, I think fighting this battle is a totally lost cause and I think the only choice is to take all the aircraft off the VH register cancel one’s membership and move to VH experimental and deal with that as needed, otherwise it’s a case of suck it all up with RAAUS and continue, having signed terms and conditions which are possibly even unenforceable anyway? But only a court of law could determine that if there is some kind of legal action taken under those terms and conditions?

I have spent time today perusing the document and I really am not much the wiser, in fact I gave up on it. At the very top it says by signing, I have read and understood it all? Well, in my case I don’t. Besides, I don’t agree with th paragraph in regards to to images and RAAus entitlement to use them, as they see fit.

I have been given a contact in CASA to run it all past, I’ll see what comments I get from that person? But apparently some people have been able to renew without signing the terms and conditions, but I think there’s been a WEB Site error has allowed that to happen.?

My latest update as of yesterday is, end of this month, latest middle of May, some legal points in the Legislative Instrument need to be attended to. The Course Syllabus itself has been fully signed off by CASA, and ready to go. Bookings will be taken, as soon as the CASA Legislative Instrument is finalised .

Become a member of the SAAA, take your aircraft off the RAA register and go to CASA and apply for a VH experimental call sign, dust off your RPL fly away happy🤩 Contact SAAA for any other formalities, you may need to complete? If you wish to maintain your own aircraft, whether you built it or not, you do the SAAA MPC Course, qualify and take your certificate to CASA, who will give you a certificate to maintain your own aircraft, under their requirements.

Right now, insurance is the least of my problem. RAAus Insurance is probably full of escape clauses, like many policies these days. Just read some Terms and conditions on them? In 30 years of my own business I never held a Public Liability Policy. I don’t insure my aircraft. I crash I will die probably, bit hard putting a claim in, from the grave 🤩

Who knows what will happen? It’s come to me there has been a major upheaval in the RAAus Board allegedly, as a result of what’s going on 🤢

We all understand the World is now full of Terms and Conditions, but it’s imperative that the intent and clear wording is reasonably understandable. In my case, for what RAAus want me to sign, that was not the case so I took it to my Solicitor for his interpretation, which I got. Anyone who has any doubt about anything legal, should do the same. Social Media Lawyers, will proffer all sorts of interpretations, it’s human nature. However the Court is the final arbiter in any case of law? How many people agree to sign as it is, remains to be seen? Whether RAAus will ament anything, also remains to be seen? There are certain words I would never agree to, which has been said to me in phone calls I have received. today I hope to hear from Cody Calder at RAAus and see where I go from here.

My solicitor said to me being a stakeholder. I should be very worried. I think the big mistake was moving from incorporation because a lot of protections were lost when that was done.

Yes, definitely, UNLESS the terms and conditions are not easily interpreted or well written. In our case, RAAus must do better, in that regard?

Obviously they have no idea how to write a legibly, understandable and proper document for terms and conditions that most people should be able to easily understand what they have created is a total mess and that wasn’t my determination either. But like RAA not much seems to get done properly they probably ran through AI and thought that’ll be good enough?

Well, today was Solicitor day. He asked where this document came from and was it written by the legal team of RAAus? I told him I have no knowledge of its source. He said, in his words ‘it’s a mess’. He did ask what the general consensus amongst other members was and I said I have no idea really, he simply said well you would be well advised to all team up together and not be part of it. He told me if I become involved in any dispute that these terms and conditions are part of, I will pay a lawyer a lot of money to undo a possible mess through no fault of my own. His next words were, do I have an alternative path and I said yes, and he said well you better take it, based on what I see here. Furthermore, I was told only hearsay, that some members managed to renew without signing? That RAAus later asked them to sign AFTER renewal payment was accepted? If that is the case, a legal precedent has been set? I personally think it’s a FUBAR in the making, based on phone conversations I have had, about it all. i will talk to RAAus abut it, see what they say? I guess I will be told, it’s ‘their’ way……or the Highway? So Stakeholders, make you own decisions?