Fatal crash at Scone, 16/10/26

[Marty_d]

Condolences to the families.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-10-16/plane-crashes-in-scone-nsw/107276198

[KRviator]

Looks to be Aeropup 19-7336.

[Thruster88]

There is some ADS-B data. Take off on 11 and immediately in to a fairly tight continuous turn. On reaching a heading of about 280 the ground speed had dropped to 53knots. Wind out of the South East around 15? Knots. Not good.

[Gadjet]

https://sticknrudder.com.au/listing/aeropup/?srsltid=AU7gw4X9wFA3ux9wdBemKHqr2l6WP7eoFBN9NSR2NJpzSrvGF3iP6mUK

[KRviator]

1 hour ago, Thruster88 said:

There is some ADS-B data. Take off on 11 and immediately in to a fairly tight continuous turn. On reaching a heading of about 280 the ground speed had dropped to 53knots. Wind out of the South East around 15? Knots. Not good.

What time? I'll ask around for CCTV footage.

[BurnieM]

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/583360

 

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/19-7336#4224ccad

 

[Blueadventures]

2 hours ago, Thruster88 said:

There is some ADS-B data. Take off on 11 and immediately in to a fairly tight continuous turn. On reaching a heading of about 280 the ground speed had dropped to 53knots. Wind out of the South East around 15? Knots. Not good.

Looks like they were airbourne in 15 % of the runway in front on them; wonder why they did not keep the centre line longer and land ahead.  Terrible outcome. Hope they inspect and have findings.  Condolences to families involved and those connected to the incident.

[rgmwa]

With a 15kt SE wind pushing them and GS down to 53kts while probably still climbing, there's a good chance their airspeed got too low and they stalled. Possibly distracted in the cockpit and losing situational awareness for a moment while getting on course for a long journey. I nearly did it once after takeoff. Easy to do. Just speculation of course and a tragic accident. Condolences to all. 

[Blueadventures]

49 minutes ago, BurnieM said:

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/583360

 

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/19-7336#4224ccad

 

Any recent flight history or was this the first by them for delivery?  Would be nice to see other take-offs and respective speeds.

[turboplanner]

Turnback?

 

 

 

[facthunter]

It does look like it. It was on it's flight to it's new home, apparently. Very very sad. Nev

Edited 18 hours ago by facthunter
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[danny_galaga]

13 hours ago, Blueadventures said:

Any recent flight history or was this the first by them for delivery?  Would be nice to see other take-offs and respective speeds.

Another news source said they had travelled to pick this plane up, so possibly first flight.

[Milo]

Very sad outcome indeed.  I am a little familiar with this as I travelled to look and potentially buy this plane 3 months ago.  It looked well built and the owner also offered check-out training and he had flown it two hours for an annual inspection the week prior to my inspection, engine was silky smooth.  I did not see any obvious aircraft issue.

I did not know the pilot that purchased it, but I was told by the previous owner a month earlier that the new buyer would collect the aircraft on 16 Oct - which was the accident date, so it sounds like he turned up and this was the first flight.  Media reports that the co-pilot had come with him from WA, so I ASSUME it was not the previous owner providing check-out training.  The previous owner had suggested to me that we use a different strip that was dirt (tail dragger), whereas the accident occurred at the home airport.  Makes me think that the new buyer declined check out training and wanted to head off as he literally was flying this across Australia - huge undertaking for an unfamiliar plane.

Looking at the damage (left wing contact followed by engine) with all parts in a small area, it certainly appears to be stall spin and if the ground and wind speed data is correct, you might suspect that a stall-spin accident to be the most likely cause.  Shame there are no witness reports.  I am sure that the previous owner would have been present, but he seemed like a pretty conservative person and I doubt would have spoken to the media.  Does not sound like the ATSB will investigate it being an ultralight, so we may never know the true cause.

[KRviator]

48 minutes ago, danny_galaga said:

Another news source said they had travelled to pick this plane up, so possibly first flight.

First flight with the new owners is what I'm told, who also declined a famil flight. Overloaded & CG out of limits, porposing from the moment the wheels left the ground until it stalled. CCTV didn't capture it, so cannot confirm, but I trust the CFI who witnessed it...

The R29 threshold wind was:
1345: 166 @ 8.4 G 9.9
1350: 166 @ 11.1 G 13.8

1355: 175 @ 13.4 G 15

Edited 17 hours ago by KRviator

[Thruster88]

5 hours ago, turboplanner said:

Turnback?

 

 

 

There was literally a mile of runway remaining in front. Not a turnback. Seems like not enough right rudder. Throw in some adverse yaw while trying to pick up the left wing and this may explain the flight path.

Edited 15 hours ago by Thruster88

[BrendAn]

7 hours ago, KRviator said:

First flight with the new owners is what I'm told, who also declined a famil flight. Overloaded & CG out of limits, porposing from the moment the wheels left the ground until it stalled. CCTV didn't capture it, so cannot confirm, but I trust the CFI who witnessed it...

The R29 threshold wind was:
1345: 166 @ 8.4 G 9.9
1350: 166 @ 11.1 G 13.8

1355: 175 @ 13.4 G 15

If they loaded up behind the seats with luggage and possibly even a Jerry can that would do it.

This is assuming there was no bulkhead to stop loading there.

Where else could they stow anything with 2 people on board.

 

[facthunter]

They maybe travelled  to there with a bit of gear.  Better to give it to someone or dump it. Rearward can cause tailplane stall but that can be picked up when you try to raise the Tail. It's an extremely Dangerous situation accentuated if you are slow and/ or short of Propwash. to "Blow" the tailfeathers. Nev

[Blueadventures]

From another set of media images it looks a bit like it pancaked in, and the wing leading edge alignment looks low and the forward cabin floor area maybe up a bit, and looks like a vertical crush /squashing of the cabin area.  The wings look almost intact and both sides similar, hence the pancake / level impact.  Hopefully an investigation or investigation of sorts is conducted, and findings / opinions are shared and assists closure for the families at this very difficult time.

[KRviator]

The pilot has been named and they were a member here - @Revel Downing. No word on the passenger's identity yet.

[turboplanner]

7 hours ago, Blueadventures said:

From another set of media images it looks a bit like it pancaked in, and the wing leading edge alignment looks low and the forward cabin floor area maybe up a bit, and looks like a vertical crush /squashing of the cabin area.  The wings look almost intact and both sides similar, hence the pancake / level impact.  Hopefully an investigation or investigation of sorts is conducted, and findings / opinions are shared and assists closure for the families at this very difficult time.

We've had several discussions on investigations in the Forums - Incidents and Accidents.

ATSB have explained why they don't investigate RA incidents or accidents except for a small number which they select, and you'll find those discussions and any RA investigations there. In the RA Inc. days we had some skilled officials who would fly to the scene and usually get enough detail to make a clear determination. They were able to get help from ATSB.

The reports appeared regularly in the magazine. 

Back around 2010 if you wanted to look at trends or incidents of things like engine failure the RAA public information was very helpful and in most respects up to the same standard of GA reports on similar incidents.

The Incident and Accident Forum here combines reports, and is still good basic material.