ASIC, Do I need an ASIC card?

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, BurnieM said:

 

But we are discussing it because in almost all of the aerodromes we fly to it is ineffective and a significant cost to the individual for no benefit.

If they government want it then they should pay. If the airlines want it then they should pay. 

 

I think we've been talking about this for about 15 years.

The position is that if you want to own, park and fly a potential weapon, then the taxpayer shouldn't have to pay.

 

[facthunter]

ANY transport vehicle is a Potential weapon. Ultra lights couldn't register very high on any List based on reality.  Nev

[turboplanner]

20 minutes ago, facthunter said:

ANY transport vehicle is a Potential weapon. Ultra lights couldn't register very high on any List based on reality.  Nev

You would need to have read the details of the original cause and I'm not going back 15 years, but there was video this week in Ukraine of a tiny electric drone like we play with coming up to a guy who's just arrived and has a stall set up in the street. He sees it and ducks around the back of his vehicle. The operator, through the drone' camera chases him round, he dodges backthe drone follows him, he dives behind the vehicle and the drone zips up behind him and the operaator fires the explosive. The stall holder was seriously wounded; if he had just stood there, he would be dead.

[sfGnome]

Thereby proving the point that ASICs are pointless. Who’s going to bother hijacking a small plane when you can just use a drone? The world moves on, but the ASIC doesn’t. 

[skippydiesel]

3 hours ago, turboplanner said:

I think we've been talking about this for about 15 years.

The position is that if you want to own, park and fly a potential weapon, then the taxpayer shouldn't have to pay.

 

Maaate!

Your unquestioning apathy is beyond reason.

The Governments knee jerk response (ASIC for private pilots wishing to access regional airport) to Sept 11,  way back 25 years ago, was completly over the top.

This, combined with changes in technology (drones) has rendered the whole concept moot/without merit (not that it every had any)

The failure of the Federal Government to modify (remove private pilots from the requirement) this ridiculous piece of legislation is a crime against its own people ie charging for a nil service

I suspect the authorities know how ineffectual it is,  as evidenced by their farming out a security system to the commercial sector - go figure !!!

😈

 

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, skippydiesel said:

Your unquestioning apathy is beyond reason.

 

Wrong! 

[skippydiesel]

12 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

Wrong! 

How!😈

[facthunter]

1. A few Hijacked commercial airliners flew into buildings Back there and hijacking took place all over the World including one here at least and I've Been through a Bomb scare on a Plane I was flying and it's NOT fun. While the ASIC should be made more 'fit for Purpose' there's not many People who are going to want any (apparent) reduction of security on and about RPT  Aircraft, anywhere.  Nev

[BurnieM]

To maintain any level of security as well as fences and ASICs you also need security patrols, say 3-4 utes driving around all operational areas during operating hours. I am yet to see this (minor) level of security at any regional airport.

At Shell Harbour we see 1 ute driving around performing maintenance tasks. That is it.

 

The level of security right now (with ASICs) is incredibility low. 

How about we stop this pointless political theatre ?

 

[facthunter]

You are flogging a dead Horse. Make it more sensible but, you'll never get rid of it. Nev

[Moneybox]

2 hours ago, BurnieM said:

To maintain any level of security as well as fences and ASICs you also need security patrols, say 3-4 utes driving around all operational areas during operating hours. I am yet to see this (minor) level of security at any regional airport.

At Shell Harbour we see 1 ute driving around performing maintenance tasks. That is it.

 

The level of security right now (with ASICs) is incredibility low. 

How about we stop this pointless political theatre ?

 

 

I think the best you can do is have visible security. It'll keep the honest people in order, the crooks will still find a way regardless of the barriers put in their way.

[facthunter]

It's about  Terrorists, and stuff in luggage.  ASIO and one other security mob are involved with your background checks.  Easy to look up.Nev

[BrendAn]

16 hours ago, turboplanner said:

It's unrelated to CASA,different organization for a different purpose, and not something they would want discussed around the industry.

is there anyone that cares what they do and don't want discussed around the industry.

[BrendAn]

10 hours ago, turboplanner said:

You would need to have read the details of the original cause and I'm not going back 15 years, but there was video this week in Ukraine of a tiny electric drone like we play with coming up to a guy who's just arrived and has a stall set up in the street. He sees it and ducks around the back of his vehicle. The operator, through the drone' camera chases him round, he dodges backthe drone follows him, he dives behind the vehicle and the drone zips up behind him and the operaator fires the explosive. The stall holder was seriously wounded; if he had just stood there, he would be dead.

what has that got to do with asic.  do you need one if you want to attack an airport or craft with a drone.        those things are controlled from miles away

Edited August 11 by BrendAn

[facthunter]

CASA require it Turbs.  Nev

[skippydiesel]

2 hours ago, Moneybox said:

 

I think the best you can do is have visible security. It'll keep the honest people in order, the crooks will still find a way regardless of the barriers put in their way.

There is no  on going "visible security", of any note,  at most regional Security Controlled Airports (SCA).

 

When an RPT lands there is and has always been a degree of security, provided by ground & flight staff.

This disappears as rapidly as the departing aircraft.

Some busier airports, have aircraft maintenance, other aircraft movements, etc who by their presence provide informal security ie you may be asked what your business is.

 

In my experince there is no more/less security, at small regional SCA's, than there has ever been in the last 35 years or so that I have been flying.

 

The problem with ASIC, as it applies to private pilots wishing to access so called SCA, in the regions, is that ;

• It is completly ineffectual ie has no functional purpose, benefit, outcome of any kind.
• The pilot must pay for a short term (think 2 years ?) security pass, which is most likly never going to be used/ requested, when accessing SCA regional airports.
• It appears that the holder of an ASIC (a photo ID card the holder of which, has been investigated/cleared, by Australian Security Services, as a non risk & bonafide person ) can not use the card for any other purpose, making its acquisition/function even less attractive, more meaningless. A drivers license has more currency.
• The risk of being caught, without an ASIC at an SCA, is so low as to be laughable, unfortunately this comes with a potential $5,000 fine (?)
• The associated security infrastructure (security fencing, gates and staff)that the Federal Government required the SCA owner (mostly Councils) to install is a joke. Varying from almost non existent to an annoying token.

Technically you do not need an ASIC to land at a SCA;

• You may do so as long as you do not exit your aircraft without an escort.
• You can make arrangements to be met by an ASIC holder, who can escort you to/from your aircraft (could cost you$$$).
• A PIC declaring an emergency may land wherever they deem appropriate.

Can't  think of a single posative feature, for the private pilot, landing at a regional SCA, other than the freedom from being fined, if you don't have one & happen to get caught - expensive insurance.

 

NOTE: ASIC has never been formally required, for entry to some very busy airfields, with high daily aircraft movements well beyond, what many regional airports will experince in a month or more -  ???????

😈

 

[turboplanner]

7 hours ago, BrendAn said:

what has that got to do with asic.  do you need one if you want to attack an airport or craft with a drone.        those things are controlled from miles away

This isn't relevant to my post to Facthunter many posts ago where he said: "Ultra lights couldn't register very high on any List based on reality."