ASIC, Do I need an ASIC card?

[440032]

The petition does not call for the abolishment of ASIC for general aviation it calls to share the costs of security.

 

Though a pilot, I am not eligible to apply for an ASIC because I don't require frequent access to a secure airport.

Sure I could just say I do, but that is not true.

reg 6.01 Operational need means

a requirement for frequent access to all or part of a secure area.

My need would be maybe twice a year at best, for one or two airports that are as dead as a dead thing that died in a ditch. One has two RPT flights a day.

[Reynard]

48 minutes ago, 440032 said:

The petition does not call for the abolishment of ASIC for general aviation it calls to share the costs of security.

 

Though a pilot, I am not eligible to apply for an ASIC because I don't require frequent access to a secure airport.

Sure I could just say I do, but that is not true.

reg 6.01 Operational need means

a requirement for frequent access to all or part of a secure area.

My need would be maybe twice a year at best, for one or two airports that are as dead as a dead thing that died in a ditch. One has two RPT flights a day.

Now that’s an interesting rebuff if ever get challenged for not displaying an ASIC !

[Neil_S]

I have had one for over 5 years and never been asked to show it on the few occasions I have flown into a Security Controlled airport. However, the recent doubling of cost to over $500 means I shall not renew it when my current one expires.

I often go to Point Cook for RAAF museum events and CASA seminars , but despite being a military airport the ASIC is NOT ACCEPTED as ID there, instead they want a driver's licence. A driver's licence is only ONE form of id you have to supply in order to get an ASIC. Bloody farcical.

[Thruster88]

I did not renew asic recently, as above 4-6 times a year to small regional airports is not frequent in my view. Cost is now $500 and only two years, a joke. $250 and 10 years might consider it. 

[skippydiesel]

Fun challenge - See how easy it is to find the Landing Fees for Canberra, our National Capital Airport 😈

[Reynard]

I too will not be renewing.

[Cosmick]

Has this been recindered.

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, Cosmick said:

Has this been recindered.

Not that I am aware of. Why do you ask? 😈

[Reynard]

There are some rare exemptions for not requiring an ASIC at a security controlled airport :
 

4) Subregulation (1) does not apply in relation to a security controlled airport from or to which no regular public transport operation operates.

 (4A) At a security controlled airport from or to which no screened air service operates, paragraphs (1)(a) and (b) apply only during traffic periods.

 

If you are an ‘infrequent’ visitor to security controlled airports and therefore don’t have a valid reason for having an ASIC, you must theoretically apply for a Visitor Identification Card (in advance of your visit) to the airport(s) operator, and then must still be escorted whilst airside.

[Moneybox]

Explosives-laden drone found at Leipzig Airport while a 757 collides with an unknown object

 

Somebody never had an ASIC CARD ?

 

 

Explosives-laden drone found at Leipzig, DHL 757 hits something on approach

German police are investigating after an explosives-laden drone was found at Leipzig Airport while at approximately the same time a DHL 757 struck an undetermined object on approach to the airport. The 757 safely diverted to Hanover, while 19 total flights bound for LEJ were sent elsewhere.

 

Edited August 7 by Moneybox

[skippydiesel]

Seems like years, that I have been "banging on" about the irrelevance of ASIC , for private pilots accessong regional airports.

 

One of points against ASIC has been the changes in technology - drones!.

 

I think I also mentioned, that in the pre drone era, in N Ireland,  the IRA mortered an airport, from outside the security fence.

 

My point being that ASIC will do sweet F...A...  to stop a casual, let alone a determined, terrorist.

 

😈

[Neil_S]

34 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

 

I think I also mentioned, that in the pre drone era, in N Ireland,  the IRA mortered an airport, from outside the security fence.

 

 

When I was working at Heathrow the IRA also attempted to mortar the airport from just outside the perimeter fence - once from the back of a van in a hotel carpark to the north and once from an area used by plane spotters to the east. 

 

Cheers,

Neil

[turboplanner]

No point in coming up with a scenario then applying it - the straw man argument.

It seems that the whiners have forgotten or never knew what this was based on and AusCheck are not going to give out any hints.

[Thruster88]

2 hours ago, turboplanner said:

No point in coming up with a scenario then applying it - the straw man argument.

It seems that the whiners have forgotten or never knew what this was based on and AusCheck are not going to give out any hints.

Since I did not renew asic would AusCheck still be checking me? I hope they would be. Does AusCheck check all aussies? I would hope they do.

[BurnieM]

Auscheck is just checking what is in the Police databases. If something is there they ask about circumstances. There is no independent investigation.

 

If you are a terrorist with no criminal record who is not part of any group then you are fine and will pass this check.

 

[pmccarthy]

CASA does not recognise the ASIC as a valid form of identification.

[BurnieM]

1 hour ago, pmccarthy said:

CASA does not recognise the ASIC as a valid form of identification.

 

I was surprised CASA would not accept my ASIC as valid ID when I was creating my ARN.

I think this says it all. 

 

[facthunter]

THAT seems rather odd doesn't it? It doesn't help get a Passport either..  That needs to be explained, . Nev

[PureCaboose]

the ASIC is not government issue, so gov departments will not see it as a gov issue photo ID.

 

[facthunter]

But CASA insist on it in certain Locations, That doesn't add up.. Nev

Edited August 10 by facthunter

[440032]

ASIC has nothing to do with CASA.

It's not their baby.

The Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development, Communications, Sport and the Arts

Edited August 10 by 440032

[BurnieM]

But CASA do require you to have an ASIC before your RPL and PPL exams.

 

Edited August 10 by BurnieM

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, PureCaboose said:

the ASIC is not government issue, so gov departments will not see it as a gov issue photo ID.

 

I am not sure what you mean by "ASIC is not government issue"

 

The requirement to have an ASIC , to access certain  airports, is absolutly a Federal Government requirement and the steps to get an ASIC, are Government mandated.

It's only in fairly resent times, that the Government, in their infinite wisdom, have delegated the issuing (administration) to commercial contractors. 

The flow on of the ASIC insanity, now delivered by a commercial supplier is higher cost to us for a service without benefit (to private pilots wishing to access regional airports). Would this be classified as adding insult to injury.

Can the Federal Government be taken to court for contravention their own Consumer Law, which protects the consumer (pilots) from being charged for a bogus service (ASIC)?😈

 

Edited August 10 by skippydiesel

[turboplanner]

7 hours ago, facthunter said:

But CASA insist on it in certain Locations, That doesn't add up.. Nev

It's unrelated to CASA,different organization for a different purpose, and not something they would want discussed around the industry.

[BurnieM]

3 hours ago, turboplanner said:

It's unrelated to CASA,different organization for a different purpose, and not something they would want discussed around the industry.

 

But we are discussing it because in almost all of the aerodromes we fly to it is ineffective and a significant cost to the individual for no benefit.

If they government want it then they should pay. If the airlines want it then they should pay.