Conversion from CASA licence.

[JohnSim]

I have PPL with 3000 hours and an Instrument rating. I want to obtain a RaAus certificate so I can purchase my own aircraft.. I understand the process is fairly simple but I have had conflicting advice. Has anyone had any experience with this conversion and what is involved?

[rodgerc]

Typically 5 or 6 hours dual in a 600kg MTOW (low inertia) aircraft. 

[facthunter]

5 hours min. That includes Passenger safety briefing and low inertia and tailwheel (usually).  Do it thoroughly and enjoy it. Nev

[IanR]

I did it a few years go. As well as the 5 hours there is a flight test as well as having to do a couple of multiple choice exams. After that assuming all good you can have all your PPL ratings and authorisations accepted (for those that are applicable to RA)

[JohnSim]

Thanks for your replies. That is what I thought but an instructor told me yesterday that I had to do 15 hours and navigation training. Is there any exam required or just flying?

[facthunter]

He may want that before he lets you loose with one of HIS planes BUT everything from your PPL that's relevant will go straight to your RAAus Certificate. Tailwheel, Navs C/S prop Retractable U/C etc. Nev

[Thruster88]

2 hours ago, JohnSim said:

Thanks for your replies. That is what I thought but an instructor told me yesterday that I had to do 15 hours and navigation training. Is there any exam required or just flying?

Probably have to do human factors exam, everything else would should be covered with your unrestricted PPL.

[BurnieM]

2 hours ago, JohnSim said:

Thanks for your replies. That is what I thought but an instructor told me yesterday that I had to do 15 hours and navigation training. Is there any exam required or just flying?

Unless you have not flown for a few years I would say 15 hours is a little excessive.

Navigation should convert straight over without training but perhaps an exercise in the review.

I think I would be looking for a new instructor.

 

 

[skippydiesel]

6 hours ago, JohnSim said:

Thanks for your replies. That is what I thought but an instructor told me yesterday that I had to do 15 hours and navigation training. Is there any exam required or just flying?

Its quite a few years since I converted from GA/PPL to RAA, so some things may have changed.

 

I was required to do "human factors" as this had not been part of my PPL however you may already have done this as part of your training, so you may not be required to repeat this.

 

As stated above, all your PPL ratings are recognised by RAA. Yes you will have to do minimum 5 flight hours and there will be some air knowledge questions to answer. If you want to add an endorsement  (eg tail wheel) this is a good time & cost saving to do a combined conversion/endorsement.

Note: Finding an RAA school offering tail wheel training may not be so easy.

 

Word of caution - > 600 kg take off weight aircraft, take a little getting used to, especially in the landing phase .

😈

[BrendAn]

7 hours ago, facthunter said:

5 hours min. That includes Passenger safety briefing and low inertia and tailwheel (usually).  Do it thoroughly and enjoy it. Nev

why would tailwheel be included . its a seperate endorsement.

[facthunter]

My first ultralight flight was at Mangalore Air show in 1986 so there was a lot of onlookers and we were Height restricted. It was a 582 SB Thruster  with Pull start. A bit different to the B 727 I flew the day before. Some instructors fly say 8 different Planes in a day. A plane is a PLANE they say.  Fly the one you are NOW IN. Not the One you got out of.   Nev

[facthunter]

 Why NOT Include T/W IF you don't have it?. It should also count as a flight review.   ANY endorsement can count as a flight review,. Nev

[BrendAn]

14 minutes ago, facthunter said:

 Why NOT Include T/W IF you don't have it?. It should also count as a flight review.   ANY endorsement can count as a flight review,. Nev

ok, i understand ,  i thought you mean't it was part of the conversion.

[BrendAn]

what happens if you have a ppl and fly a vh  gazelle . do you still have to do all that to fly an raa reg gazelle.

there are also overlapping aircraft with group g.

Edited 10 hours ago by BrendAn

[Thruster88]

52 minutes ago, facthunter said:

My first ultralight flight was at Mangalore Air show in 1986 so there was a lot of onlookers and we were Height restricted. It was a 582 SB Thruster  with Pull start. A bit different to the B 727 I flew the day before. Some instructors fly say 8 different Planes in a day. A plane is a PLANE they say.  Fly the one you are NOW IN. Not the One you got out of.   Nev

One small correction Nev, the 582 wasn't released until 1989, in 1990 we all bought them to replace the less powerful 503. My 1988 thruster left the factory with a 503, it was demonstrated at Oshkosh in 88 before returning to Oz. 

[facthunter]

This was the FIRST 2 seater SB around I was told. A 503 would not have lifted the two of us, I would have thought.. We were not lightweights. I could be wrong. It WAS a Pull start. You could NOT reduce the Power much when you levelled off. I did not have much Notice  of the flight. When it was offered I thought well I'll Probably have to do it sometime and he was an F/O  I'd done a lot of flying with. and trusted. I flew it all the time. I wasn't a passenger. Must have taken six Minutes. The Plane was very New. That helps. Nev

[BrendAn]

24 minutes ago, facthunter said:

This was the FIRST 2 seater SB around I was told. A 503 would not have lifted the two of us, I would have thought.. We were not lightweights. I could be wrong. It WAS a Pull start. You could NOT reduce the Power much when you levelled off. I did not have much Notice  of the flight. When it was offered I thought well I'll Probably have to do it sometime and he was an F/O  I'd done a lot of flying with. and trusted. I flew it all the time. I wasn't a passenger. Must have taken six Minutes. The Plane was very New. That helps. Nev

Lots of 2 seat 503 geminis . Dangerously under powered for 2 people.  

[skippydiesel]

2 hours ago, BrendAn said:

what happens if you have a ppl and fly a vh  gazelle . do you still have to do all that to fly an raa reg gazelle.

there are also overlapping aircraft with group g.

Its not about the aircraft per say - The conversion (PPL- RAA) does not take into account the VH aircraft you may have been flying. Its abouts demonstrating, to an RAA Instructor, you  have the flying skills (in a RAA aircraft)  and the aeronautical knowledge.  Most PPL's will have been flying Cessna's/Piper's etc not a VH equivalent of an RAA registered aircraft.😈

[BrendAn]

33 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Its not about the aircraft per say - The conversion (PPL- RAA) does not take into account the VH aircraft you may have been flying. Its abouts demonstrating, to an RAA Instructor, you  have the flying skills (in a RAA aircraft)  and the aeronautical knowledge.  Most PPL's will have been flying Cessna's/Piper's etc not a VH equivalent of an RAA registered aircraft.😈

And with group g you can be ra or ga in a Cessna 150.

There is no one left to represent ultralights any more.  

its evolution i suppose. people like to buy the aircraft they learn in .  

not much training done in rag and tube now.

Edited 7 hours ago by BrendAn

[Blueadventures]

10 hours ago, JohnSim said:

Thanks for your replies. That is what I thought but an instructor told me yesterday that I had to do 15 hours and navigation training. Is there any exam required or just flying?

You could send an email to RAAus and provide what you have and hours type etc and ask what the conversion consists of; they will give a current requirement answer and you can compare that with local schools.

[pmccarthy]

Was it 5 hours dual? Or 5 hours total? I can’t remember.