RA-AUS renewal now with lots of Membership Terms and Conditions

[JabiruWeekendWarrior]

Today i am paying for renewing my Ra-Aus certificate and RA-AUS has really got the lawyers all out when drafting the renewal now with lots of Membership Terms and Conditions.. pages and pages of terms to agree to now.. 

[Methusala]

I renewed over the phone and they only wanted the [exorbitant] $335. 

No questions just give us your money.

[sfGnome]

They sent out a message a little while back that phone renewals won’t be available in future (as of some date that I don’t recall) as you have to agree in writing to the new document. They’re basically trying to stop people doing stupid things (ref the Mt Beauty crash) and then blaming RAAus for it. I haven’t seen the document yet, but the concept seems reasonable enough. 

[BurnieM]

These sort of terms and conditions may not have much legal standing if you cannot renew without agreeing to them.

Having to renew for your RPC to remain valid would also work against RAAus in court.

 

Their main purpose is to try to frighten family members off making a claim/sueing them. However, if a death occurs I doubt it will stop anybody.

 

Probably was driven by Mt Beauty but I doubt it will help RAAus in a similar future event.

Plenty of blame to go around all parties at Mt Beauty.

 

Edited March 28 by BurnieM

[pluessy]

The way I interpreted this garble (lawyer double-dutch) is that no matter how bad a RA-Aus employee stuffs up, it is someone else's fault?! Correct???

[BRL]

Must be taking a leaf from the Albo book🤗

[facthunter]

 What Rubbish, BRL . Nev

[BRL]

in what way ?

[turboplanner]

8 hours ago, pluessy said:

The way I interpreted this garble (lawyer double-dutch) is that no matter how bad a RA-Aus employee stuffs up, it is someone else's fault?! Correct???

Not correct; you need to talk to a public liability lawyer, but to give you a rough idea, read up on Donoghue v, Stevenson, then spend a little bit of money getting advice from a Public Liability lawyer.

[facthunter]

Think about it BRL.  Nev

[pluessy]

3 hours ago, turboplanner said:

Not correct; you need to talk to a public liability lawyer, but to give you a rough idea, read up on Donoghue v, Stevenson, then spend a little bit of money getting advice from a Public Liability lawyer.

So every RA-Aus member needs to engage a lawyer to be able to understand what they force us to sign???

[facthunter]

It might be Helpful To think what Made something like this Necessary to Prevent going bankrupt and perhaps losing your House it you Work for RAAus.  Nev

[BrendAn]

4 hours ago, BRL said:

in what way ?

people here  idolise albo and labour . 

 

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, pluessy said:

So every RA-Aus member needs to engage a lawyer to be able to understand what they force us to sign???

That's only on planet turbo😁

[BrendAn]

25 minutes ago, facthunter said:

It might be Helpful To think what Made something like this Necessary to Prevent going bankrupt and perhaps losing your House it you Work for RAAus.  Nev

From what I remember it was withholding important documents and emails from the court that caused most of the trouble.

More than the actual accident.

[skippydiesel]

6 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

people here  idolise albo and labour . 

 

You have to be joking 😈

[BrendAn]

Just now, skippydiesel said:

You have to be joking 😈

Yes I was. 😁

[facthunter]

I don't think any of us Know the full story and in what context that Witholding  occurred.  Many make a Judgement  I got the Impression they were out to GET someone to Blame . Nev

[BrendAn]

Just now, facthunter said:

I don't think any of us Know the full story and in what context that Witholding  occurred.  Many make a Judgement  I got the Impression they were out to GET someone to Blame . Nev

Yes. It certainly looked that way.

[facthunter]

 What relevance do those two Comments have TO the thread topic.??? Nev

[turboplanner]

14 hours ago, BRL said:

in what way ?

You just touched the Socialist nerve BRL. Albo was Minister for aviation at the time Rec Aviation started to get too hard.

[turboplanner]

11 hours ago, pluessy said:

So every RA-Aus member needs to engage a lawyer to be able to understand what they force us to sign???

You don't have to engage one, but how are you going to know which actions you need to avoid? Lawyers now and again offer advice, and in some cases, to promote their business will provide an overview of a PL case which gives you good insight into the issues that got the loser into trouble.

 

[facthunter]

You never stop, do you Turbs? Nev.

[jackc]

Last week I got my membership  renewal with the Terms and Conditions which requires signatures in 7 or so places. I called RAA to ask for an emailed copy for me to scrutinise, Cody Calder happily sent me a copy to my email.

So I started to read it all, and it got way to deep for me.

So I phoned my Solicitor who I have patronised for the last 40 years. He wanted a copy which I sent.

Not 2 hours later his Receptionist phones and says, don’t sign it.  I need to make an appointment to discuss it all, which I have now done, for 10 days time.

So  am wondering just what is gonna happen right now, as I also have 2 aircraft registrations due as well.

Other Aviators I know and have spoken by phone, are very unhappy and say this whole thing is not even legal, but I will let my Solicitor make a determination for me. 
One person commented to me that he feels the document was AI generated which means that RAA could’ve done all of this in house by themselves, but who knows? I have no faith any more.……🤢

 

[BurnieM]

If it is not legal or enforceable then just sign it.

The courts will sort it out (at cost to you).

 

If you do not renew your membership then your registration and RPC are not longer current.

 

If you challenge it legally then this will also cost you and typically take 5 years plus.

During this time you will not be flying unless you move your RPC and rego to CASA.

 

Note your RPC needs to be current (ie you need to be a RAAus member) to convert to RPL.

 

Not saying what RAAus is doing is good or in the best interests off the members but sometimes the best thing to do with a garbage legal document is to sign it and challenge it in court if anything hits the fan. The facts that you lose your license and registration will work against RAAus when this eventually goes to court. Judges are not stupid and can and have ripped bad legal documents to pieces before.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by BurnieM