turboplanner

Thanks David, it wasn't my intention to brand anyone irresponsible, and I'm sorry that came across.

Since I last posted I've managed to find a stack of accident reports, which I'll post on the "VMC" thread, hopefully in a few hours after I've scanned them.

These are for the less experienced guys who may not be aware of the key issues.

Maybe it had Agent Orange in it Slarti

It wasn't that. but the thought that somehow the aircraft stability would save them if they did inadvertently get in. I'm looking through the digests now

Just reading the above posts is beginning to make the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. Some of you guys need to read up on this subject, view the "178 seconds" video etc.

I'll see if I can get a transcript of a case for you.

Most of the fatalities are guys who thought they would be able to control it, but believe me, even under a hood with mild turbulence, and full vacuum instruments you are working that rectangle of instruments and trying to disregard your arse.

*it starts with a

"Known for flying near tourist areas?

TP,What I was saying is that while all members should and can know what the money was spent on, it may be in the best interests of all members that that information remains a matter for "Members Only".

In this case we should get most of that money back, since I doubt that any employee had minuted board meeting approval to spend money on a catfight, and the same ghoes for any board members involved, so these people are going to have to pay that money back.

What would be good is to see the report from 2009 so we can see where the financial slide has occurred

It's a good thought Ignition, and of course didn't apply to this situation, but when you get in the milk bottle as Facthunter describes it, and something this pilot could have faced when he did the 180 if some weather had come in unnoticed behind him, it's usually pilot inducement that upsets the aircraft, and often starts when you begin a turn, and the g force tends to tell you you're sitting upright, but plenty has been written on this, including the thread "VMC" here.

You have to wonder what the $93,000 in professional (legal) fees was for. I honestly (i.e. no sarcasm here for once) don not expect that to be explained in detail in public as it may not be in the best interests of RA-Aus for the world at large to know. But, I will attempt to get an understanding for myself.

Situations like this occur in Clubs and Associations on quite a regular basis.

The first reaction is to keep it quiet, but the story always gets out.

So the nest reaction is to quickly admit there is an issue, outline the events, summarise the action which will be taken to clean it up, and everyone, inlcuding the news media moves on.

This case represents one of the clumsiest sagas where attempts to hide thing by changing the rules to a degree not compatible with the Consitution and without the approval of the Members, the Owners is going down an inevitable path.

Spit it out and get on with it!

Not a very pretty story I agree, but the existing board members could have had wholesale support from THOUSANDS of members if they had been open and transparent, and their fellow board members, so a new question has to be what was their agenda?

Also, if they had been open and transparent the employee's position would have been untenable and he would have moved on, which would be the honorable thing to do now.

How much of members finds has been expended in this disgraceful affair?

As far as the board member owning a website is concerned, that's no different to the other board members owning a mouth and ears - only the transmission methods are different.

It's a very simple method for that board member to declare a pecuniary interest and step out of the room if that was the issue. If it wasn't let's have it good board members?

Like i said earlier the video in it's editing is not what actually what was, and yes the over dramatization on his part in the editing wasn't the smartest thing to do as I have already spoken to him about.

What is the minimum distance from cloud a Pilot in Command has an obligation to maintain?

What was the radius of the hole he dropped through?

Hint: It's spelled out in CASA's Visual Flight Rules Guide: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_90008

"Too right it duss" rezponded GoldenBoy (and his navigatrix thinks that he is too, at the moment, having experienced the Easter love-in + he made it back to his hangar in Wagga after only needing to fly back to Temora 3 times to refuel) "And if you vant proof, have a sqizz at .............

"hiss jerry can, which he had on display mosst off Easter for all to zee..."

Well you need to keep up the pressure Major

Quite a few members don't realise the damage which has been occurring

How are we going to have a Natfly in all its glory next year without Carol Richards putting in MONTHS of hard work?

Has Steve Tizzard got the skills to do it?

The respect for the Members Representatives will come back when the secrecy stops and the communication starts; you can see that with the representatives who are communicating with the member base on this forum.

But plenty of people are lazy enough to say "I don't get involved in politics" not realising they are shooting themselves in the foot, and some have been actively covering for mates.

As David says, you get dished up to you all sorts of unknowns, amendments to flight plans due to conditions etc. so the history of one flight is not necessarily going to be 100% useful for the next.

I remember doing the first three navs on track on all legs and arriving at the check points within one minute, and being the cockiest student in the school, then getting adverse winds, wrongly picking featurtes etyc for the next couple.

I think Google Earth could be the better one to deliberately put yourself off course, then calculate your way back etc to the point where you don't have to think so much so carry out every function.

Of course that's nothing to compare with the real thing, but you put your finger on the problem - money, and as an Association we must stay focused on the little things that white ant our flying budget.

What I've noticed here is that virtually all the comments are bagging this year's Natfly mildly and in the nicest possible way, and making plenty of suggestions to tweak it.

However, you need to think more basically than that.

Carol has gone, so you need to look for someone with the credentials and history who can actually get a Natfly off the ground, never mind the fine tuning.

Well you didn't "question it with Admin staff then" This would have been a potato hot enough to lob over to the other end.

It's good that you spoke to him Alf.

Unfortunately, in the good old days of the Air Safety Digest where part of the investigation always included an analysis of the pilot's social background, all too many of the accidents reported someone who claimed to be safety conscious, but usually also claimed to be able to handle the conditions which took him out, especially the people who had flown in marginal conditions several times.

Burbles it seems you didn't ask the question clearly enough or Steve Tizzard thought it related to a different dispute.

Slarti referred to a dispute between Steve Tizzard and his staff, his answer referred to commenting "on our superior officers"

How many of these disputes are there?

Deserves to be nominated for a Darwin award. Must be getting a lot of negative comments because he's deleting them.

........... and with his entire checklist done in CASA approved (Clause 789, subsection 19446) TSO'd emoticons.

The most important ones being , ,, , ,,, & ....... but no (not that there is anything wrong with that), definitely no , although there is a fair bit of & , not to mention ............................

"******"

And then someone let the cat out of the bag that Lockers who loved the serendipdous life had just filled his application out for entrance to the Sisters of Mercy Convent

Having had one nightmare flight where three passengers all threw up after one told the others she was going to, then landing at Mount Gambier so they could clean up, then having it all happen again after they bought meat pies while I was refuelling, then trying to fly with my nose stuck through the little Cherokee hatch, I don't raise the "airsick" word, just tell everyone they will get the most out of the flight and feel most comfortable if they continually look out toward the horizon. Works every time (fingers crossed)

............ spread the joy around."

"I need to step in here" said AHRoxOff's GP and gynocologist "He'll be "available" once he finds Wagga again, so don't count your chickens Nanna, and also once his blood-pressure is back up far enough to propel that essential liquid back to his ...........

"gas strut"

His absence had become somewhat worrying, because although he told a humorous version of his trip to ******, we of the NES know that's the cold hard trutch, that's how he flies, and it's quite entertaining top see him go down his checklist (a tippexed IGA receipt strip) calling each item out as everybody should "thingy up", "rpm Smiths", "heater on", "gatorade unscrewed", "tissues in place", "T Shirt straight", "Rex in Dubbo" and so on, accompanied towards the end by repeated clanging of the Rotund gearbox as it inevitably travelled towards its destiny.

...... the day before."

"Wow, that's some Easter Bunny" said Nanna and Mavis in unison, and at the same time "What's his phone number and when's Steve .................

" ...going to stop playing with his emoticons, and "

....... AhRoxOff who was still lost in the smoke haze. "As I have landed again and will take off as soon as I work out where S is and what that S stands for in that twirly thing on my dashboard."

"AHRoxOff's lovely bride, and navigatrix, told me at Natfly in strictest confidence (RAA Board Term), but with a modicum of pride, that they had stayed in the cot until 3 pm last Saturday" said El Ratsack, but it is confidential (soon to be compulsory RAA aviation term unless David I and Blacky sort 'em out), so don't anyone tell anyone "And that is why he could not find YSWG from Temora, as he was still exhausted (he actually looked emaciated), his hands were still shaking and his .................

....face was radiant until his lovely bride added that they'd retired at 2:59 pm..

"It was either Bryon or MrH or *****, as I can reliably report that they were plotting against the rest of us in Hangar J at Natfly, before they hit the highlights of Temora looking for Nanna" reported SloppyButtCheeks "And they were also ........................

............trying to work out a way to grab the orange (uncensored aviation term) Cheetah which had been sitting for some months under trees where lives a colony of bats.

"I can fly one of those:" said ************ . "If you can fly a desk you can fly anything" and the other conspirators sitting on the wet pavement outside the pub gavce each other some uneasy looks. "Don't tell anyone" said

First Easter Goose award would have to go to the person who flew a Jabiru through the box while an Extra was doing aerobatics at Parkes in the Australian National Aerobatics Championships.