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You could probably refer to your own site for a start. I haven't looked at it for a couple of years, but you should be able to find examples.

http://www.australianppa.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=945

.......the parts protruding from.........

Sources look a bit dodgy. Ayrton Senna was the last driver to die in Grand Prix racing.

"Flavour when kneading dough for my lovely pastries.

"Why don't you try one" she said, eyeing off Ratso in his new dinner suit, which he'd just picked up at Vinnes, and.............

This seems to be the main PPA website:

http://www.australianppa.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=945

That's probably in response to broken arms, legs, lines caught around props when people tried to operate like a normal aircraft. I would rate it as a fine weather sport with a lot of limitations. Might pay you to look at a normal e axis aircraft.

Who comes up with this nonsense of saying nobody has ever died in a Jabiru airframe ?

I've seen that posted before, but I haven't seen a convenient sign which includes "dangerous". The ones I've fitted all say "Beware of the dog."

I've mentioned before, we lost a PL case through not warning that a racetrack was "dangerous, enter at own risk" then lost another one because we hadn't advised the plaintiff he was entitled to sue us if we were negligent, so we had to add that part as well. The key part we found is that if you meet the definition of negligent, you'll be paying out, and if you have provided a warning, but have not met the definition then you might get off.

Recently a Jab Pilot who has his good wife as a passenger on his flights was asked if he had his significant other sign a CASA waiver form prior to each flight & leaves it with a responsibile person on the ground. He responded that he couldn't give care a shxt about the waiver form because he was an enviromentally concious person & didn't want another tree chopped down to create the necessary paper, & furthermore, in the event of a crash he was confident that both he & his wife would exit this planet together.So that begs the question, is CASA creating useless paperwork for themselves, that will end up being round filed, similar to what you do with scrap pieces of paper that you roll up in your hand like a tennis ball.

It is to provide a warning to the occupant that not only is the aircraft not as safe and an RPT, but it is not as safe as other recreational aircraft, and outs some onlus on to the passenger if you are not negligent.

There are examples where a spouse has sued the other half, and there may be good reasons, such as children's welfare.

what a mess

In fact this is the best type of forced landing in trees you can have - where the wings and an unimportant section of fuselage take the hit. Under those circumstances, where the cabin has not taken a hit, it is not correct to tell people it is strong, and in doing so you run the risk of giving them a false sense of security, which could cost them dearly of they believe you.

Sure the statistics have been kind, except for the people injured and killed in Jab crashes, but the photos I've seen all show that the crash impact was not to the cabin area.

What we do know about fibreglass is that it is weight for weight stronger than aluminium; but it is not 50% stronger.

What we know about monococque construction is that it can be torsionaly stronger than space frame, but is not as good at resisting a localised impact as space frame.

Monococque fibreglass reinforced plastic will substantially deform in a crash, then either spring back into position, or if it has reached its limit will crack then fling parts off its main body. We can see here that the rear fuselage has substantially deformed, then split right up to the rear cabin area and flung off it's extremities. With a space frame, I would expect to see the rear fuselage and tail area still attached but at about a 20 degree angle.

A fibreglass reinforced plastic cone is very strong when impacting on either end, but like an eggshell when hit from the side.

In the case of a highwing aircraft side impact is offset by the wings if the crash site is high enough, but the occupants are vulnerable to stumps, rocks and ditches.

I've previously posted about a forced landing on a cultivated paddock in South Australia where a Jab finished up with the whole noes of the aircraft, dash and all on the ground and the occupants sitting there facing open air. If that had occurred before the roll finished the only protection they would have had was their knees.

Based on that crash, if you took a medium hit diagonally on the front, you could expect the same area to be wrenched away and you could still be ploughing into trees and stumps.

So while the Jab frame has been doing well, don't kid yourself you're in a Centurion tank; it still has to be made light enough to fly.

I detect just the merest whiff of cynicism there Kaz.

CASA have reached the point where there is an argument that a person of reasonable intelligence has no chance of full compliance with CASA's rules, and in the past when this has occurred with other government controlled corporations, a major stuff up resulting in a major payout usually ignites the politicians into shutting down the corporation and incorporating controls back into government through a new Act, or going totally self-regulation. You could nearly split this into RPT/Commercial = government control, private/recreational = self administering. The only problem with that split is that both use the same airspace.

"...false teeth"

"False teeth?" asked Turbo, and then he took a closer look. Ratso was never one to check the barrel before eating an apple, and rarely kept up with the times.

His favourite experience would still be an night out wit Jane Russell, and Brooke's not much younger, as this photo shows.

"Why can't you.............."

...sealskin book of regulations to find out what that meant.

Turbo was pleased to hear about the Inuits, aside from the fact that Hatso was descended from two cousins, because they taught him to fly.

He read in a Boys magazine about one branch of the tribe who used an inflated bladder and briquettes to make a hot air balloon which they flew from ice floe to ice floe.

Turbo bought one to use for duck shooting on the Bool Lagoon, and it was quite successful, although he was limited to two cases of cartridges due to the weight limitations.

There were problems picking up fallen ducks over deep water because he could only fly downwind, and it used to drop to earth, or water, when you least expected it, so there was a ratio of approximately one mile flying to four miles walking - pretty much the same as today when you think about it, and.....

"Qujuequa" said the FOI, as he scratched........................

"......ASI" said Turbo......"what you see at the BNS.

It was announced this afternoon that CASA have mandated lavatories in all Eecreational Aircraft.

As Vlad from CASA explained "We'd look idiots if we mandated two people to be in the cockpits at all times, including Drifters, if there wasn't a lavatory, so this makes good sense, and......."

I was wondering why you were calling me an onion farmer in another post!Must've missed that news item. I reckon some staffer told MisteRabbott that Tasmania is "the Apple Isle" so the silly bugger just assumed anything round was to be eaten skin and all. Bet those onions would've caused some bubbles in the budgie smugglers.

No, his staffers were better informed. He suggested organising a lunch beside the Derwent, but they said

"Forget it, the only thing they understand is 19th Century here, so you'd be better just to eat a raw onion to impress the locals with your empathy.

"Oh, and eat the skin too, don't forget the Greens support."

At dinner with a bunch of non-flying friends last night I was (as I expected!) asked about this accident. They were rather shocked to hear me guarantee that if I really truly wanted to, and in the absence of another pilot actually sitting strapped into the other pilot's seat at the controls, I could have the aircraft in a terminal dive from which recovery would be impossible within about 30 seconds, and certainly within 60 seconds. It was just an expression of how relatively ineffective the "policy" of having another crew member will be in practice.As has already been stated on this thread, even the built-in extreme attitude protections of the Airbus can be totally overridden with two pushbutton selections.

 

What really concerns me is that this "band-aid, zero cost fix" will allow airlines to say "hey we've addressed this and it's no longer a safety issue", while the serious underlying problems of mental health assessment and treatment concerning this accident which are now being exposed day by day, fester without any attention at all - until the next similar occurrence.

I posted this in the thread "Low Flying Penalty" a couple of weeks ago; it was about the gun laws but the principle is the same.

"Someone starts the ball rolling and next thing we all have our guns taken off us.

In looking back on the last buy back:

The career criminals who always bought untraceable guns usually from overseas haven't missed a beat.

The two compartment safes required have probably prevented many suicides and family deaths.

The people who brought their gun home after fighting for their country with no intent of ever using them probably suffered more post traumatic stress than they needed to.

I think there are less guns than before because legal shooting areas have really tightened up, and Police statistics would confirm either way.

Murders have continued on, but are often carried out with knives these days.

The real key, controlling the people who, unlike almost all of us, who tip over from reality to the point where they can kill someone, still has a way to go. My family doctor at the time told me fixing the problem was easy;if compulsory reporting by GPs was brought in almost all the misfits would be identified and could be dealt with."

The DAME/Clinical Psychologist route of identifying a mental problem can be overcome by a clever adult, but according to the GP, they will have left a trail of warning signs right through childhood if they were prone to the type of involuntary depression which allows them to actually cross over the boundary and do the deed.

Interesting point if it can be verified - three years without an audit...... 3 years without any guidance from the regulator then all of a sudden, three or four audits virtually months apart. How long before the one three years previous?Can anyone here clear that up?

If the first of the latest audits had come up clean, there would have been no reason for a second.

If the second audit had come up clean after the first warning, there would have been no reason for a third.

And so on.

There's nothing unusual about three years without an audit; it could be a lazy regulator, but more often the regulator is active enough to see there are no issues.

I would be more likely to look at Wide Bay as one of the little signals, and a steady group of incidents, which also saw in commentary on here, reaching a point where soneone had to do something.

The normal procedure for the Minister would be to have someone take a look at the Magistrate's decision over what you've sent off Storchy.

That's probably not going to be in your interest.

I have no idea what you are talking about, which at least puts us on equal footing.

Doesn't really work though does it, the Opposition oppose and bash everything they can to get themselves into power regardless of the interests of the public. Shirley ......

Your version of it, and the assertion that Hawke and Keating could bypass the 4,000 people who are directly and indirectly employed in the Parliament appear to be based on the laws of Murdoch, Fairfax, and the Throw Away Line.

The only reason the Media talks about a "Hawke Government" of "Abbott cut pensions" is that they don't believe you would understand if they more correctly said "the 45th Parliament decided yesterday to......"

Friend of mine was elected during the Howard era and had a enthusiastic passion to be involved in change armed with optimistic visions. On arrival to Canberra basically told to sit down and shut up and tow the Party line. Why do they even go to Parliament if their vote is foretold. They could stay in their electorate and deal with local maters, save the expense of housing and travel and wages for the whole entorage, in fact save dollars and sack the entorage. Just note "one vote" to get their proposal through.Is it a fact that Minority parties and Independents are our only chance for a conscience vote ?

The Monarch of the day has a Government to adjust legislation, or come up with new legislation, and an Opposition whose job it is to tear the proposed legislation to pieces and find any fault there is to be found. Of all the systems the world has known this is the best one to guarantee stable and just government.

Where the individual has a place is the Branch system where he/she can propose a course of action have it voted on at Branch level, then State level, then all the way to the Parliamentary Parties.

There is also the "Member's Bill" but this is rare, and in about 5% to 10% of legislation, it can be started in the Upper House.

The key to the success of the system is the exhaustive debating and review process.

Call me a cynic, but I think the only benefit of a Dick Smith Party without Dick would be the constant publicity of his name in the media as a result of the Party's Memeber's activities, good or bad.

Lend his name but not stand for election? So who will be in charge of this party?

I consider Bob Hoover the best pilot in history, but that's probably the only reason he has survived. He has made some hopeless decisions, and at one stage I checked how many aircraft he'd totally written off (as against a wing repair etc). I've forgotten the figure now but think it was somewhere between 12 and 20's.

He even managed to make a crash into a ravine survivable.

Chuck Yeager also had his share of luck. He, Bob Hoover and a few others were allowed access to US fighters whenever they wanted, and they went up every day. Around the end of WW2 they used to fly Mustangs up the tracks in the brush leaving prop marks in the sand.

Here's a bit more fun, this is the Milparinka Court House before modifications.

This one resulted in restrictions on Milparinka Airfield and we were no longer allowed to land at the colourful Tobooburra airfield and walk into the town.

The airfield was on the track to the camping ground and had a sign "Cars keep left"

Spitefully, I think, the air authority at the time built a new airstrip about 5 km out of town.

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/1990/aair/aair199003108.aspx