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Turbs lists in post 12 reasons why members want the higher limit. He seems to present these in a derogatory way, but to me they are all perfectly valid aspirations for members to have. He ends with” pushed by one of these agendas” - well yes, and why not?

 

A couple of reasons not to are potential safety issues caused by people with insufficient training and or insufficient aircraft specifications.

This can be resolved by mandating CTA training and testing of pilots to the same standard as PPL, and bringing aircraft specificatiions up to the same TSO and specification level as GA.

Similarly, the health risk can be resolved by rerquiring a Class 2 medical for RA pilots.

The upsides of that is a benefit for a tiny percentage of RA pilots and a huge cost increase for the thousands who are happy with they have, along with removing the unhealthy pilots from the pilot register, and committing othere to the high cost DAME system.

That's the big picture.

The biggest risk is that even if you do a slightly less than 100% of this, like leaving out the medical, or approving some aircraft but not having a way of proving they qualify in real life at ATC level (refer to the people who don't pay landing fees) you are then discriminating against the fully qualified GA Pilots and aircraft, and lowering the safety standard in the CTA.

.......cousins from Tenterfield, where.....

....tentacles, and found......

Textbook forced landing; that's what we are supposed to do.

I went looking for the original report on this site, but couldn't find it.

It would help an awful lot if Thread titles could be edited to correct mistakes, and include the location, Aircraft and Date, and be easily searchable.

I also went looking for the Coroner's report and found it within a couple of minutes.

In this case you'll note that the Coroner flies recreational aircraft and also has a PPL.

Here's the report: https://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/578010/nif-millard-r-20180723.pdf

.....am related to Captain Cook.

"Har Har Har" said one of the operators who was born pre-millenial, "we know all about the hills behind Cooktown, and we've been treating membetrs of the family for years."

The Rat didn't know whether to tell them the family secret, or....

...we (in both cases) will have to have him certified.

"Hang on!" said bull, who was known for fairness; "who wrote the book?"

"Captain" they all said at once, well all except one who had said either "Rat" or "He's a rat"

"We'll it's clear then" OneShip said "he's gone into Rat mode and is squeaking about his own writings."

Once again the Rat had been caught in his own trap, but....

....books were read. The print became smaller, which the old Captain had been complaining about for years, and his Navigation book came down to three pages which could be read in 15 minutes or so, which was about all it was worth, despite its prominent "Captain Cook VIII" title.

OneShip picked up the book with a heavy heart; he knew.......

[The Royal Nautical Society advises its brothers in the Aeronautical world that caution should be used before relying on this book. In fact it is of more value stored in the wallet as spare toilet paper than an almanac of the sea. Our Society has found that on some occasions when the obscure calculations are used, members have landed in Timbuktu, and on others Proserpine (pretty good, since Proserpine is not on the sea)]

........read a few chapters of My Navigating Genius by Captain Cook VIII, (ghost written by commander Bull from bone), Translation into Queen’s English by Turbo.

Hunsta

 

Next question.

 

Keep them coming, I love to see cans of worms being opened up.

 

Should there be a maximum age for PC and PPL holders?

Re #46

The only reason I said learn at Bankstown is because you would get the most realistic scenario to show you the challenge.

Picking an easy location you know is dead most of the day is the same as doing all your training on clam days; training is easier but you go ass up first time you have a crosswind.

If you scroll back to the Williamtown controller handing out his advice, he gets into a sequence which rolls off his tongue easily, but when you visualise having to memorise all those terms and instructions and perhaps respond, you can see you need to be up a few levels if something fast comes into your sector etc.

This is just typical of our government. have an enquiry that takes years and then it takes years to decide what the enquiry found and even longer to reach a decision as to what should be done, by that time it is too late, so we have another enquiry.

 

If you don't believe me, just think back to the Banking Royal Commission.

 

Read up on RRATs, they are not anything like Royal Commissions.

.........mic finger. I used Captain's number for years; never paid a landing fee, until one over-officious, useless, self- opinionated official walked over to the cafe before I'd managed to wolf down my lunch and DEMANDED the $15.00 in front of EVERYONE, and then........

What's missing is the strong and wise national leadership to achieve commonsense compatibility and cooperation.

 

I certainly agree about the politics.

 

I've seen first hand how a powerful union does underhand things to extend their turf.

 

We have two separate weather systems in Australia producing two different type of paddock "grass" and two different types of "bush" and at two different times of the year, so I think on this occasion there's no benefit in vertical integration, and the State management is best, with quite a good system in place to call up out of State assistance and overseas assistance, in particular firefighters from NZ and North America.

The politics I've been talking about are the internal type, and good luck with ever eradicating that.

........and the diatribe went on for another 40 minutes, which was a sure sign that "someone" has recently been pinged for HF infrigements and slapped with a fine big enough to empty the gin bottles for a while.  The Captain had refused to fit a sump guard on his Benz 4WD Ute "because I'LL decide when I'm going to hit a rock, he'd painted the wheel nut loc ks on so they always appeared tight, instead of yellow strips he had puce, and his ID number was UPU 1......why would the HF people go after him? and why..........?

....stay ahead of the competition, which in the social media world rivals the French Revolution where you could get your head sliced off merely for looking like the Captain, who would probably have been the Guillotine blade man who was fed turnips to keep him irritable, and.....

[Dear NES readers Friends; take no notice of the evil Rat's ramblings in #11189. When he gets off his meds he's hard to handle, but is usually fixed by a good rap to the big toe with a sledge hammer. In the meantime Turbo sends his warmest regards and invitation to go out boating with him at any time (bring a dinghy)]

Compatibility and inter-service co-operation should have been ironed out long ago.

 

We are slow to learn lessons from past stuff-ups.

 

There's a big turnover in people, many are temporary volunteers, there are operational politics, there are government interventions and technical difficulties that make RA look like simple paper planes. All in all they do a great job.

Very droll; have a look at the post which prompted my question; the poster may be able to answer it.

I don’t think he was mustering.

 

What was he doing?

 

Australia has a long history of expensive and exhaustive investigations leading to...

 

government inaction.

 

I did suggest reading up on RRATs; they are definitely not like Royal Commissions.

There are opportunities to look at details through other processes.

Didn't we watch the honchos from CASA in a Senate Estimates Committee enquiry earlier in the year?

 

We did, but what most of us watched, or were pointed to was a request by a single Senator to answer an unrelated question, which in the finish irritated the Chairman. If we'd watched the Senate Estimates Committee's full session we'd probably have been asleep from all the financial details.

In emergencies like this it makes sense for a country to use all resources available and suitable for the task.

 

I believe huge water tanker trucks from nearby mines have on occasion been used against grass fires, but I bet their size makes them unsuited to general use.

 

On Ash Wednesday, Jack Knight, who had a fleet of fuel tankers loaded several semi tankers and took them to the Macedon fire.

The water couldn't be used because fuel tankers have completely different decanting designs to the suction side of fire trucks.

Even amoung fire trucks great improvements have been made in recent years in getting the various fire services to use compatible equipment.

When there's a fire on a day or high wind, and you're fiddling around for 15 minutes, the fire can be past you and gone.

Also, it's not just water that's needed, it's quite different delivery systems for different fires; fire fighting is a very specialised business.

Are you telling me that the pilots of all those contract aircraft have specialist knowledge of each type of fire situation ??? -

 

I was very specific about the skills I have and how limited my usefulness was in any other type of fire. There are many different types of fires and many different levels of skills required and many different risks.

The Erikson helicopters and the hired heavy aircraft fly both hemispheres so are full time professionals all year round.

Smaller helicopters with the drop bags practice a couple of kilometres from here regularly, and I suspect are trained in all types of fires.

In spite of this, in the past 12 months we lost one Erikson helicopter that dropped into a dam; there's a specific cause common to this operation which I can't remember but the helicopter loses lift. I also posted on #326 video of an Erikson trapped and only just managing to get away.

A small helicopter was also lost this year.

......gave it up and hit the books for the last couple of years, moving on to write a Thesis entitled "How I know the earth is warming  because of the Industrial Revolution", and a follow up "Cattle Flatulation and the melting of the Glaciers"  It set him up for........

Before anyone gets excited, it would be worth searching on the Commonwealth Parliamentary Website to see what RRATs do and how they work.

Note that it refers to GA; SAAOs are self administering.

Balancing safety, relative risk, economic costs is something a lot of people have been asking for.

We as a relatively small (population/ tax base) country have a heavy investment in military assets, many of which could be used in fighting fires - why are they not ??

 

They are; but you have to look at what are suitable tasks, like people moving, freight moving, dozers, temporary accommodation, food etc.

As much as we've discussed some of the disagreements within the fire fighting ranks, they have to train for all types of fires, all types of risk management, when to bail out, how to fight each different fire etc. Although I've had a lot of experience with low level grass fires for example, there's no way I'd go out and try to fight a bush fire or high flame fire without being one step behind a trained person.