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Well they’re all too busy to worry about anyone’s analysis right now.

Fair enough.

 

I accept that experience is a great teacher and we may be able to learn from other firefighters, just as they may from us. So I have no doubt that so the assistance/swap may have real longer term benefits but how can a few imports actually have any significant short term (the fire today/tomorrow) benefit ?

 

They are briefed, then they step in and take over the job of an Australian firefighter who is dropping from exhaustion and stress.

The Australians who go to the US are usually in the command chain, and I saw one video where an Australian walked straight in and took command of about 30 firefighhters.

The issue is the CFS are not bringing these people in to work just tomorrow; who can forecast when the fires will be put out, or worse, whether hot days create other fires of the same magnitude. With these people filling command positions there's a come completed 24/7 team.

Interstate Australian teams have been going up there for weeks; same principle, trained people who can walk straight in and take over, and known how to do each job.

I think we've had Canadians here for about three weeks as well.

......dropped the aircraft over the fence with a monumental WHACK!

"Owwww" cried the hostesses, and when they recovered went straight after the Captain, with murder in their eyes.  "You X.........."

Wow !! is this a first ?? (in recent times) - how far does/will it go?

 

No, it's a long way from being a first, and is what we mentioned a few posts ago.

When the pilots' strike was on, people booked to fly interstate were flown by Hercules, helicopters are used in flood times.

.....they've proven this versatile design can get off the ground. TP&DI's Director of Marketing, Elon Rat explained:

"If a Council wants land cleared for a road, one of these machines can fly in and just do a low pass, and it's ready for the road base. We believe one of these can clear up to 600 Nautical Miles (that's a flying term fellas) a day."

One member of the press ensured he wouldn't be getting another invitation by asking: "What about when the road needs to go round a corner?"

Elon gave a nervous simle and said "Well the driver just pulls the corner lever."

It was about this time that Turbo looked across to bull and said "Did you fit those airbags to the undercarriage......................."

Because it's easier to use the fuel jets.

Great positive statement BUT avoided addressing my questions

 

Well maybe someone else would like to have a go.

...but then he petered out again, his head on his chest. Captain wasn't going to wait; he jammed the throttle wide open and the twin sooters poured out black smoke, which brough tears to the eyes of hundreds of truckies who had showed up to watch. That characteristic roaring bellow of the 600 hp Cat was shaking the leaves of the trees but the aircraft wasn't moving. "The LEVERS!" yelled Turbo "You have to move the levers forward!" and as Captain threw the levers forward the aircraft slowly picked up speed, but not fast enough.  It hit the end of the the strip, tore into the grove of small trees until the blade started to slide along the trucks and lifted the aircraft into easier going conditions. At 70 kts it lifted off, the Cat engine singing...............

Wasn't human factors training meant to stop accidents almost completely ? 

 

No that's not correct.  There is very substantial evidence that Human Factors were responsible for a very high percentage of injuries and fatalities in aviation.  SAOs were encouraged to introduce Human Factors training.

 

 

 At least that is what I was told when I did did the course which was a waste of time.

 

The intention was to cover crashes related to HF, such as putting two fuel burn digits back to front and having a fuel exhaustion, checking the gauges but not seeing a high temp, pulling the gear up on the ground, not putting the gear down before landing, taking off in coarse pitch, selecting incorrect trim, leaving the oil filler cap off, leaving engine covers unlatched, leaving a hatch open, taxying without a clearance, and so on. All things which we were trained on and normally do faultlessly, but due to urgency, stress of similar managed to screw up. This is by no means and exhaustive list BTW, we manage to do many other ridiculous things.

I touch each instrument during checks in a check + identify process to stop the and regularly have to kick myself and re-train after missing both the initial view and second confirmation. I found the RAA course very poor One example was a pilot who went skin diving then came up out of the water and went flying. It was teach us about the effects of pressure and density altitude on our bodies. Interesting, but nowhere near as relevant as the things we were doing that were killing us.

So I can understand you saying the course was a waste of time.

However that leaves you exposed to the real HF issues, so I would strongly recommend you do your own study; try to find the CASA case studies; look at the accident discussions where a pilot has obviously done something that under normal circumstances he would never think of doing, and also watch what Facthunter is saying.

.......The Spratlys Team; left on the island to rot. They're still over there eating gooney bird eggs and crawling on their bellies down to the water to catch crabs because the Chinese machine guns are able to deflect to grass height.

"Come on" said Turbo placatingly " We have to pull together, how about we organise a Fly In? No one could do it as badly as we've seen in recent years.

HiHo came to life: "I think................"

[The NES proudly annouces that OneTrack has been awarded a trophy for the most workable example of a potential Homebuilt Aircraft seen on this site in the past six months.]

In the immortal words of our red headed saint of the chippy - "please explain" how on the one hand our military can not participate , even in a support role, yet a few overseas "volunteers" are welcomed like saviours .

 

By the way I think help from wherever is great, I just  feel there is a more cynical explanation when it comes to these grand (insignificant) gestures .

 

Very simple; the Australian fire fighters who go to the US are fully trained firefighters

The US fire fighters who come to Australia are fully trained firefighters.

Both countries have similar fire fighting regimes.

Both countries have similar command systems.

Almost certainly this group will include senior people trained in command, people trained on the Erikson operation requirement and they will all be paid by Australia, or Australia will pay their US equivalent fire services.

"saved!!!"

 

Key people all the way up the fire fighting structure need to rest and sleep. Australia has been sending fire fighters to the US for years to take over from US personnel off and resting/sleeping. The protocols developed work, so this is reciprocal action from the US.

I've forgotten how long fire fighters have been on the job, but I think it's more than a month.

Former RF member Ahlocks has made three trips from Wagga up into northern NSW and the last one was a nightmare, getting bogged being given a burnt truck, trans-shipping other trucks over long distance to get fully operating vehicles to the fire front - there's a lot of stress up there and the Americans haven't just come to save us.

.......the engines were made in China, and......

".......Hang sh!t on Turbo and you hang it on me!" and the others, who readers might remember had just been through a harrowing experience with the person who'd left Sir Charles Kingsfor Smith to die echoed bull's sentiments and for a while it looked as if the Captain might be rubbed up and down a palm tree trunk to settle him down. But Turbo defused the situation by smiling and saying "I only wrote all that to give you the material which makes you look so good, and Captain invited everyone up to the bar where...........

...or have a milk shakes with all these parrots around”

”I’ll show you” said Turbo and took the clear top off his milkshake cup, then leaning back pretending uninterest. A parrot flew down sat on the rim and leaned down to drink the milk. Instantly Turbo snapped the lid in and shook the cup rapidly a few times. The parrot stepped out groggily and then flew off, but the other parrots seeing the white bird raced away and the group had a parrot-free lunch, after which......

Report a couple of hours ago: US specialists touch down in Sydney, includes aviation specialists:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/it-smells-like-it-s-time-to-go-to-work-american-firefighters-arrive-in-sydney-20191208-p53hxt.html

The resort owner suggested Captain had brought it with him and the group were soon back in the Jab and switching to Hamilton, which had a much better lifestyle, certainly better than six packed into a Jab. As they sat down completing with the parrots to each their lunch, One Step said........"

.....a cockroach that had just come out of Captain's room, and was heading for......

There's four here Aldo, one of these?

That's TWO planes crashes in the news, on the same morning! One with two fatalities at Captain Creek, and a crash with an injured pilot in the Atherton Tablelands.

 

What is happening? - it seems like every weekend now, there's a light aircraft crash. The statistics for light aircraft crashes must be going through the roof this year.

 

The Captain Creek crash says the aircraft went down "at the end of the runway". Sounds like another badly-managed EFATO?

 

A lot of GA crashes are reported here now.

For some years about 10 -12 RA pilots/passengers were the figures.

....the beer is on at the Raffles happy hour at 6 pm.

And so dear NES readers, just when Sir Charles Kingsford Smith and Hi Ho's uncle,  J.T. Pethybridge could have been rescued and sipping Gin Slings in Raffles four hours later, they were left to die a horrible death on that island by the heartless Captain. A British Survey Party found their bones just three months later. Scraped in the sand was the message "Get that bastard in the Jab 230", but Captain......

Two areas carved out of the bush near Round Hill Rd, Captain Creek.

The lower one has an aircraft sitting at the end.

Maybe the one above it isn't an airstrip.

........the Queen, who was about to summons the Captain to Buckingham Palace to Knight him, following Turbo's tireless years of reporting his good deeds (and believe me you had to be tireless to find them.)  But it didn't have to come to that; Turbo's head work ensured more power than was needed, and the aircraft soon was heading to another island with another two old men waving a tattered white flag on another runway which had been cut out of another lot of trees HINT; COULD THEY BE SIR CHARLES KINGSFORD SMITH AND .....

Another crash on the Atherton Tablelands base on the Australian link

......XXXX the manual, let's get going, Hi Ho's squashing my foot with his elbow, and CASA won't mind because......