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25 minutes ago, onetrack said:

It's been a long time since gelignite was manufactured, Turbo! You obviously haven't blown out stumps for at least 40 years! Nowadays, using explosives for stump removal is not exactly an "approved purpose", there's any amount of earthmoving equipment will do the same thing, without breaking all the windows in neighbouring houses!

Well I wasn't going to say what we used, was I.

47 minutes ago, facthunter said:

AOPA is a different  functioning thing entirely to the other two. It can freely  advocate for Pilots and Aircraft owners.. That's it purpose. Nev

Check  its   status     

1 hour ago, BrendAn said:

I don't mind getting an ASIC but why charge $300 for it and why can't they accept other is that we may already have. For instance my cat h handgun licence took months of applications and security checks ,

Finger prints etc.  surely something like that would suffice for airside entrance. Like everything else now ASIC is supplied by third party providers and they all have their hand out for your cash.

By the time you go through the hoops to update your firearms licence I'd say the cost was well above $300.00.

You still need a fishing licence and if you want to keep birds, another licence and if you want to keep sheep or cattle another licence, and there's a difference between State jurisdictions and Federal jurisdictions, and I'm not sure whether you can carry firearms interstate without some form of licence acceptable to that state any more, and that's before you decide to get some gelignite to take out a few stumps.

28 minutes ago, Roundsounds said:

RAAus now RAWas

We discussed AOPA a few weeks ago; check the current status.

RAA is self-administering certain classes of AIRCRAFT.

We fly in CASA airspace and in other managed airspace.

We enter airfields and airports that cater for other classes of aircraft.

We enter various grades of secure space.

RAA isn't the umbrella for the lot, and nor is CASA and nor is AOPA - people just pick on one to have a spit and that's telling in itself.

23 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

They do apparently get vetted and are supposed to be some form of security clearance and illegal alien thingy check.

 

The UK arguably has a much higher risk of terrorism.  And the risk of other nasties is probably the same, yet we don't have one the is ubiquitous across all CAT (RPT) airports. It is up to the airport to assess its security requirements and determine the implementation. I have flown in Bristol, Cardiff, Exeter (more times than I care to admit), East Midlands (landing fees - ouch!), and Norwich Tumbleweed International on nought more than an phone call and I think East Midlands required a flight plan to be lodged - it was a long time ago.

 

My previous home airfield, Blackbushe, required us to have an identification card.. to allow us to put the fuel on account and pay monthly. and to validate to security out of hours departures and landings. Blackbushe doesn't have RPT, though.. but it has bizjets (famously, Osama Bin Laden's sister, I think, died in a crash there prob 10 years ago).

 

In a country that has far more terrorist attacks than Aus, far more regular RPT (as opposed to Bordsville type RPT) airports than Aus, it is exemplary of the waste of time the ASIC is, in its application across the board. I  guess UK intelligence orgsanisations have more experience than Aussie ones at this sort of stuff and are mature enough not to require this sort of draconioan application.. Or, as was drummed into us from early days in Aus, "it only takes one person to ruin it for the rest of us".. instead of "We'll stop that one person from ruining it for the rest of us".

 

ASIC may have spread to our RPT airports but it was not based on the scenarios you paint or the fantasies of some posters who have no idea what it is all about. I don't have a problem with ASIC and a recent poster pointed out the obvious; that the cost was reasonable and it took up a minimum of time to process. That should be the end of it. My information came directly from a State Minister for Police who told me how many people had been caught, sent to trial, convicted and were safely in a secure prison and had led to protective operations and measures his government was taking. They later shut down an ISIS training centre in the last suburb you would expect to find ISIS influence. With respect to RPT aircraft; the aircraft in question were private (GA in Australia) aircraft; the type you might have found at Berwick airfield, able to be started and flown away by anyone. It should be obvious that governments can't provide specific details day by day of their reasons, the evidence they have collected or their strategies. It should be obvious, but here we are.

For the others, what I said before still stands.

46 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

???????? I stand to be corrected; I took BirdDog to be asking a question of me. Some secondary observations/opinion but no advice😈

You've made your assumptions and position clear over and over again.

That doesn't mean it's correct or that ASIC is an issue for others.

On 21/04/2025 at 6:14 PM, BirdDog said:

Hmm.. Maybe I am out of the loop, but what is the problem here?  

So you need to ID yourself to get to certain airports - What's the big deal?  Heck, I can't get into my local RSL unless I am a member!! LOL!

 

Are you against the cost?  Or just having to ID yourself to get access to certain airports?

 

I don't see the problem, to be honest.  I did mine online, and and with the local PO, and it was painless (yes had a cost) but was a non event!  Lots of tings have a cost.  Car Rego, Drivers Licence, Local Clubs, etc etc.

If the cost of your ASIC is the largest of your problem, then I reckon you have few problems. But that is just my opinion.

But again, I am not sure what the actual issue is here.  10 minutes of paperwork and a visit to the PO.  I go there everyday to check my mail anyway!  LOL!

Good advice; simple, straightforward; anyone can do the research to find out the why's.

There's a long and informative thread about this on the site.

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11 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

Yes spelling / typo, key board operator error.  Yep, however interesting to hear factual decisions.  In Queensland back in the day My boss would share and I'd see directly the poor decisions and associated blame game involving the Chief Health office and Premier etc.  My Boss came up with a solution / check system questionnaire procedure about ship arrivals, got laughed at by his peers and the GM; however it worked, then Victoria waterside wanted the Queensland system so ports could receive / move ships.  Much later all credit given to and taken by others in south east corner.   Thats how the world goes round.

It does; but the job gets done and just a few know.

4 hours ago, Blueadventures said:

The minutes release between Health and Dan's cabinet is finally showing the diver of the lock downs. 

I assume you meant driver.

Tonight they referred to communications;  however, very few of them in both State and Commonwealth realised that a Declaration of Emergency in any form - fire, health etc automatically triggers a Commander to be appointed to make decisions OVER the elected official, so it's just a beat up for the election.

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Airports exploit their Monopoly. You are on valuable Land. Supply & Demand . User Pays  for the added convenience. Would you like a Communist state?  Nev

I didn't think any Commos were standing.

8 hours ago, onetrack said:

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1 hour ago, aro said:

Over what period?

A quick search on the ATSB website showed 10 helicopter investigations at Moorabbin, so you have to be pretty selective on the timeframe to come up  with only 1.

Please read my post more carefully; this was just a side discussion at the most.

55 minutes ago, facthunter said:

It's  not ONE /2.9 MILLION chopper movements at Moorabbin .   You need a separate rate for choppers to be meaningful.  There's been plenty of horrific Heli crashes lately. Serious crash investigators don't use the term "Pilot error" a lot these days. They look for the reason something happened. Nev

Sometimes you would be better off sitting back and reading exactly wah people say rather than going off at an unrelated tangent and abusing people. The figures ARE for HELICOPTERS so ARE  a "separate rate for chppers (sic).  The post is about non fatal crashed at Moorabbing, so "There's been plenty of horrific Heli crashes lately is about as relevant as who won the last rugby match in Georgetown.   I'll leave you're lecture to the investigators you're targetting.

1 hour ago, BrendAn said:

i was told i was talking bs by a member who hunts facts but what you said here proves the statistics i found would be correct.

choppers rarely crash and if you took the pilot error crashes out of it i think they would be shown to be extremely reliable.

Yes

3 hours ago, Underwood said:

I've only 1 single hour of tuition in an R22, but was told by the instructor that you have literally a second or so to drop the collective on an engine out in the R22, the rotor inertia being so low.

Apparently the R44 is a little more forgiving

Coincidently I was watching an R44 doing practice autorotations today at Berrow and it all looked quite relaxed, but of course thats no indication of what was going on in the cockpit

That's correct, so it will be interesting to see what ATSB have to say. 

Just looking at the statistics for Moorabbin, a helicopter down on the Moorabbin field would be 1 per 2.9 million movements You can adjust the 1 to more if you can remember more.

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1 hour ago, peterg said:

I think you should leave the legal issues alone and stick to what you know - whatever that might be (it's a mystery to me)

 

I don't doubt its a mystery; maybe one day you'll make and original and positive quote.

49 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

We just need a simple , honest and efficient system to administer light aircraft.  

No you don't, you need the long winded version like I said. These days you have to have key responsible people managing the duty of care for each different activity; no one tells you what to do but you get severely bitten on the bum if you are just winging it and something goes wrong.

41 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

Ok, but we are talking about a very small organisation. They don't have the revenue or the people for all these positions you talk about.

We just need a simple , honest and efficient system to administer light aircraft.  I would love to see a seperate organisation for sub 80 knot aircraft.  

I had 35 Clubs and Associations in Victoria to administer in a State Association and we then had 8 Associations in the National Federation. It worked very well because, for example you could have a 95.10 Club or Association with like-minded people helping each other while, if they wanted, travelling to Interstate swap meets, competitions,etc - anything they wanted to do while the State Body interfaced with Insurance and administation. 

1 hour ago, BrendAn said:

What's the point of these long-winded posts about what other companies do. 

The legal issues and claims as it says in the heading.