turboplanner

...and right on the Melbourne-Sydney route. Passengers on every flight that morning reported feeling dizzy and light-headed. Many said the little Irishman should resign for not cleaning out the aircraft between flights. Others pointed to climate change and said this justified all the warnings from the UN, and this is what we could expect from interstate flights from now on. Some even went as far as pointing out that Australia would now HAVE to build High Speed Solar Powered Rail to take over from aircraft which were dynosaurs from the past. Some even .................

10 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

 

Think French and it means something that sounds like shippy..

 

Ah yes, the Leftist chant; not worth continuing the discussion.

.....plume which reached ...............

33 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

There are those who assume the designation ADSCA/ASIC required airport is somehow related to aircraft numbers and or size, using the facility (risk assessed ?) :

• Bankstown & Camden NSW, both within the Sydney Basin, are by Australian standards very busy and have multi seat jet & turboprop aircraft, in addition to the usual gaggle of training small private aircraft - neither are Security Controlled/ No ASIC required.
• Not only do they have many more movements per day than the majority of domestic airports, they are completely open to the public and within sight of Sydney & Parramatta CBD. 

I am sure you could work through ERSA and find many more examples, that completely disprove the idea that some wonderful higher authority is working to a (logical?) security master plan for the Nation.

That’s the problem here; people are thinking of THEIR idea of a target without knowing the actual task which is sure not going to be advertised by the people tasked to protect us.

“Merdey”?

9 minutes ago, facthunter said:

I'm just quoting what they should BE from the book. They actually try to  sabotage everything the elected party try to do. (as they are instructed to do my Merdey)   Nev

“my Merdey?”

11 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I can't say I agree with a sunset clause on all legislation, especially in teh current political environment, and that is one really for "Off Topic". Also, there is at least one convention applicable to the opposition - that they will not block supply in the upper chamber - which was famously discarded in 1975-ish. Again, for "Off Topic", but suffice to say, conventions are by definition, unwritten and develop and change over time. Who knows in the current political climate what conventions are thought to apply?

 

I agree all  leegislation should be periodically indepently reviewed by subject matter experts in that field. The problem is, as pointed out, a lot of administration of laws or functions of government has been handed over to private enterprise and unravelling that is a nightmare. And also, political donations or nepotistic jobs for the boys (or girls, or whatever gender these days to be PC) may stop flowing. And we cannot have that.. no.

 

Back to the ASIC. It is arguable that the UK has a much higher threat of terrorist attack than Australia. Yet it is entirely up to the airfield to determine its security requirements (except for large CAT/RPT such as Heathrow, Luton, East Midlands, where there are security clearance requirements for airside in the CAT/RPT section of the airport). Examples are Exeter and Bristol Airports; where there are GA sections (tiny at Bristol).. Can come and go airside at the GA side virtually as we please but the CAT section is strictly off limits. Last time I flew from Exeter, there were not other identification requirements than the PPL I had. 

 

I guess the government here expect the special branch and anti-terrorist squads to do their job properly (and they largely do). But also, the threat of a terrorist strike using a Cessna 150 at Merimbula during one of the 5 departures/arrivals per day is probably in the infinitesimal category; Much easier to do it in a van than a plane and less dangerous (well in terms of not making it to the target).  These are probably some of the reasons a security clearance of any sort is not required in the UK, or any other European country, nor the US, where 9/11 actually happened. In the US case, they decided foreign citizens wishing to train for licences in the US have to get a specific visa, which I imagine includes a security check. Seems a much more practical approach.

 

Apart from the fact smashing a C150 into the Rialto Towers isn't quite going to have the same terrorist impact as comandeering a 7x7 or A3xx and doing it, in theory, they can have the lower AVID and take off from a non-securioty controlled airport anyway.  And if they have got their flight training from overseas, and about to kill themselves, they are likely to nic an aircraft for the purpose.

 

Which begs the question; I am on a British PPL (sadly didn't transfer to EASA in time). If I flew my G reg aircraft toi Australia, do I have to get an ASIC beforehand? I will surely have to fly into a customs airport, and I guess most of those will have some form a RPT.  Do I have to get an ASIC or AVID to joy fly my G registered plane in Australia? 
 

(a) The non-sunset clause I like most is the Magna Carta's "A condemned man is entitled to be told the nature of his crime."  So the poltical afficionados who've been spruiking sunset clauses on everything would have to start about here, so physically no Parliament would have members who stayed or lived long enough to finish it even if they abandoned governing the country and just worked on adding sunset clauses, let alone why you would want to sunset clauses like that one.

(b) Supply is indeed a legitimate fuse for deadlocks or out of control situations as is the Monarch stepping forward; a big advanrage over the US system which can see the political system come to a stop. Blocking supply has occurred regularly where governments lost the numbers but tried to continue government; it usually forces an immediate election, and the Australian government system then continues on.

(c) You're right about the handing over of a lot of operations to QANGOS. This is usually done because the government of the day has let costs blow out way above private industry, but when the work is outsourced, greedy executives usually screw it up and the costs become even higher.

(d) You also make a good point about the big difference between a moral decision and a political decision. Yes, the political decision by definition always has to take account of the likely backlash of the electorate. So brave/moral/impact decisions are usually never made in "safe" electorates, but are ruthless in strong opposition electorates. Paradoxically when on the rare occasions that Political leaders do make those tough decisions, they are often accepted by the electorate.

(e) Re the UK: "Yet it is entirely up to the airfield to determine its security requirements"

      Without printing any details, but getting my information one on one from a Minister of Police,                  Australia had specific incidents which led to multiple people being convicted with long sentences,

      so had a good reason to do something about it. The security standard of the local airfields at that          time played a major part. In Australia we have always had an element that couldn't help themselves        and looked for a way to beat the authorities. 

      I posted an extract which indicated a similar split up of areas where an ASIC card was required, and where they weren't and lesser identification was acceptable, but it sank like a stone. It seems either no one operates from the easy airports, or there is a difficulty reading regulations.

(f) Where you gave specific examples of what people could do with a C150, the general public does that all the time; a suburban council in Melbourne is reducing speed limits in all the streets they control because they believe its the fast drivers that are killing their people. A newspaper gave the example of a mother setting out on her daily walk with a baby in a pram on one hand and the pet dog on a leash on the other. The photo shows the first obstacle, a street which has been changed from two lanes to four as a major traffic route. The solution is a little more complex than that. The people I mentioned earlier, again without giving details were trained, unwittingly by gullible Australian instructors, to do something which could take out a suburb. Yet we still see forum discussions with fine details on what people might do.

(g) Re your last para, my assumption is that when the tongue came out of the check and you asked the real decision makers, you'd probably find, if you were fit and free of diseases, that you'd be enjoying your flying in Australia perhaps even under the alternatives to an ASIC card which are available.

You couldn't fly out of Berwick though because the academics bought it,  filled half of it with a Campus then realised there was more money to be made in Malaysia etc.

.......was so unbalanced that he bought himself an ASIC card #avref, #mens shed, # TraumaCounselling, even though he didn't need one.

When one Old Member asked him why he bought it he said "Faeta".

Mishearing,  the OM said "You need to cut back on them sausages and the grog then!"

Koshy ......................................

.......is not all of those three people, but four people, some famous.

Somehow Interpol and CIA must have found out that Turbo, Cappy and Loxie were very accomplished at breaking wind and were now trying to limit the elusiveness of the Entity.

When they were at school together, after lights out Turbo, Cappy and Loxie would compete with each other for the longest break of wind, the squeakiest the deepest etc, and the distance of the wet ones.

This extended to evening Chapel, where Cappy started it with a perfect low E in tune with the organ played by the school music teacher who would rush the hyms a little and finish with a crescendo. Turbo eventually was able to produce a C and Turbo a high G, so when they let go at the end, the chord was in tune with the organ and no one noticed except for the massive odour. The problem came one night when the music teacher was away and the much less adventuous ended the hymn with a short chord. This left the sound of the massive fog horn from the rear, but this night Loxie was a bit more squeaky, and had a little accident just before the end and ................................................

.....beliefs in cat farming, Drifters, spark plugs and the NES.

T/F/B aka The Entity also has a lot of difficulty swallowing the outrageous fairy stories dreamed up by the United Nations. The photo shows The Entity's fingers at a recent meeting where the UN asked The Entity to join with the same Veto Powers as Russia and ...............

.....had multiple degrees in computer architecture and hexagonal programming (OT also had a degree in Python, but he'd always been a bit of a snake), but no one could ever find out who exactly had worked for Microsoft, only that there would be a button in one corner of the screen for 15 years then it would change for the same command to be activated by clicking the ^ key.

Not many people know that Bill was the one who bought Loxie's Beercan. He asked if it would fly to an island and Loxie said it would fly anywhere and the deal was done for $3.5 million.

Little did Loxie know that decades later Bill was going to blame him for ........................

.......made money by addicting people to windows and then exploited 8 year old Romanian children by employing them to write the algorithms,  as anyone who has used Microsoft for business will attest.

Cappy.....

55 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

NO 

I refuse to use my driver's licence for a ' mock ' ID card. .

My wife And lots more have never taken that ' Bureaucratic ' driving test to get an I D card .

We both have a " photo Identification card " . As well as , I have a ' driving licence ' .

spacesailor

What if someone wants to know if you’re over 18.

.......night of the short .......................

.......lecture on how to dress and behave in Australia, and how it was only going to end in tears if he insisted on being greeted when he arrives in Canberra with a brigade at attention and a General salute and inspection of the troops, straightening a tie here, drawing attention to a zipper there.

But Albo, as usual, knew better and one day ....................

If you look at the Google Earth view of that area from directly above (my copy today 2018) much of that area was still grass or the old tin hangars and not actively used. In theory, with those areas leased, more of the Airport costs should be covered. I'm not saying they'll generously reduce aircraft parking, but their argument to raise prices falls away a bit.

14 minutes ago, facthunter said:

There's more to it than that. Nev

Not in my Industry where I’ve worked all my life.

Senator Button shut down the car industry by removing tariffs which had allowed our tiny manufacturing industry to hold off the huge overseas factories which could build x number of cars per second, and change their platforms in 2 or 3 years; we have to wait 10 years for our platform tooling to be amortised.

Australians were seeing the prices advertised overseas and wanted to buy the cheaper importeds cars. Senator Button caved in, the Australian manufacturers discounted to try and keep market share but failed. General Motors Holdens was wound up with $800 million liabilities. GM paid the off, set up Holdens Motor Co and Holdens Engine Co, and told them it was the last payout. Holden made a great effort trying to sell engines and cars to the overseas markets, and actually made the $800 million back selling Family II engines around the world. Ford also got close to its last legs. International Harvester went bankrupt, Chrysler went out of Australia and CKD manufacturing ceased At one CKD plant, one of the most efficient in the world, I used to go out every Thursday, buy half a sheep and have it cut up and made into packs and gave them to the workers on strike trying to save their jobs, but they couldn't compete building the low numbers without tariffs.

Australia will always have an issue with long delivery distances and low domestic volume, making the reason to set up manufacturing much harder than if the factory was located in a high consumption local market.

I also had a direct experience with CAC and their bus manufacturing in the 1970s, taking market share off them due to problems I noted in an earlier post.

......thoughts put into that Royal head, so the GG ordered Albo to fly to Perth get a house for them in Peppermint Grove, appoint the redhead Non Executive head of the SAS and to order them only to shoot the enemy, buy him a Drifter [avref] with pretend machine guns and get Megan the job as Weather Girl in Perth TV.  
Albo started whining but .....

.......Turbo is one of the Illuminati Charles."

The King coughed and spluttered "Not necessarily......" and trailed off hoping to change the subject.

Turbo had become his mentor. In the early days it hadn't been easy for Turbo because the King was strong willed and the sessions usually finished with You Pommy Bastard!, but he was also a persistent student and learnt the secrets and ways of the Illuminati well; he would be a good King.

Years later he got out of the Royal car to mix with the crowd and some Australia from the back yelled out "The Poms can't play cricket!"  An English reporter  said "REALLY!" or something like that and Charles turned around and, laughing, said "Don't think I haven't been called a Pommy Bastard MANY times!" even though he wasn't supposed to talk about the meetings with Turbo or .........

6 hours ago, marshallarts said:

Whenever I see a discussion like this, I am prompted to wonder (again) what the missing ingredient is.  Example:  Pilatus is a Swiss company, producing some of the world's finest aircraft of their type, like the PC-12 turboprop and the PC-24 jet, both used extensively by our very own RFDS.  Heaven knows how many hundreds of millions the RFDS must have paid to Pilatus over the years.  And it's not just the RFDS - Pilatus sells aircraft all over the world.  Switzerland is a very small country - population only about a third of ours, tiny area, and probably far from ideal flying conditions compared to ours.  If Pilatus can do that in Switzerland, why can't someone in Oz be producing top-level aircraft of some sort?  What is the missing factor?

Business skills at the top, Management clear of internal politics.

......then after the others had gone to sleep and Turbo stoked up the secret fire and the bodyguard brought out the red, he lowered his voice and said "One is expected to say those things of course.....and then started with "You know One refused to join the Club of Rome, which is based in Winterthur, Switzerland, not Rome, and is for the profit of a few, in particular Maurice Strong, not the good of all.

It came up with the Limits to Growth, and the Great Reset, where the scheme was to flow government taxes to the Nouveau Riche including Maurice.

"By the Rio Summit this evil man had come up the the War on Meat targetted directly at Western District Graziers, and Crisis Creation.  In their book 'The First Global Revolution', authors Alexander King, Bertrand Schneider ($652.00) on pages 104 and 105 they said: 

'In searching for a new enemy to unite us we came up with the idea of  pollution, threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill'

And so global warming was conceived and One wondered what to do about it. One had been paying the bill at Claridges for Nancy Wake for the past 25 years, so Maurice Strong left us, but ..................

.......front page news. It wasn't that someone was feeding cake to sheep because pommy farmers did that all the time,  the problem was the luck sheep got a telegram from the King....who would be visiting shortly and wanted to meet here at .....................................

Sometimes people get the jitters and ask how they can avoid the percentage chance of an accident like this.

The answer is flight planning AROUND country you can't land on.

I've been to the Finch Hatton area and Eungella National Park several times and the forest is thick enough to allow Platypus to thrive.

There's a Flying Fox thrill ride in there with trees so thick you get smacked in the head and legs on the way down.

There's no way you can survive an engine failure in the wooded area.

On the other hand if you spend some time flight plannning in Townsville there are plenty of safe routes from Townsville to Palmyra.

........feeding the sheep. 
He’d made the mistake of thinking city people knew about farms, but when the Feeder asked “How many lattes?”

he knew there was a problem. It was when Turbo probed “One of them’s having a birthday” and a cake came back with candles on it.

The paper looks wet; are you sure there isn’t a leak?