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Just now, kasper said:

The 'evidence' in the mail story is clearly false.

 

Two charges at Avenel for $69 is the givaway - that's only 260km of driving for $69 of electric - NOT POSSIBLE

For example the BYD Seal uses 16kw/100km ... that would be around 41.6kw of electric ... that would put the KWh price for those recharges at around $1.65 ... and that is NOT what you actually pay ... at worst with Chargefox its around $0.45

 

Real life - real cars - in 'normal' use - absolutely debunk these anti-EV false stories.

 

For the vast majority of driving EVs are already operational viable. 

The acquisition costs of the EV are a hurdle BUT this Mail story is pure falseholds to present an anti-EV position

The towns were approached from the north and the south which confuses things.  Not saying there's not a mistake in their but that might be the reason.   kW/100k is not a constant, varies considerably in accordance with coefficient of resistance, speed, winds etc. I'm doing some work on power demand in the next week or so.

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3 hours ago, sfGnome said:

No. I'm saying that everyone has stated their case over and over, and clearly no one is going to change their mind. For this reason only, the discussion has become pointless. In fact, even this reply is pointless, so I'll stop.

There have been plenty of side claims and discussions but some of us are focused on key aspects of driveline and equipment ofr aircraft.

8 minutes ago, FlyBoy1960 said:

You are correct I do have this model, I drive like a little old lady going to church, i have it running in chill mode because it limits the performance, even in this mode it exceeds my speed requirements.

90% of my operation is stop and start below 80 km/h just in a normal residential area with a few linking roads that run at 80 and the rest are at 50. 10% is highway use, but I use all of the technology to drive for me, and again it regulates the speeds, acceleration rates and optimises the use of regeneration for breaking which can sometimes be a little frightening because it leaves it till really late so it gets the best regeneration available.

Tks, that’s a good EV profile. I’ll do some test calls to see what other power demands might do.

2 hours ago, FlyBoy1960 said:

I have my charging set up so I don't need to have any out-of-pocket expenses for the use of my vehicles electricity and recharging. I have a 450 km range which is good enough for 99% of my driving as I expect it would be for 99% of people with this type of vehicle.
 

Would this be the Model Y Rear Wheel Drive? with.

WHLV 455 km range

Battery 57.5 kW

Efficiency: 132 Wh/khr

Performance, Drive: 194 kW

Performance: Torque: 340 kW

Drive: RWD

Weight: 1929 kg

Towing: 750 kg

Roughly what percentage would the application be?
% Highway

%Suburban

%City

I'd like to run some figures an drive loading and see if they are anywhere near yours.

1 hour ago, spenaroo said:

can we just create a whole separate thread for the electric stuff.
feel like its grown way beyond aviation and especially Jabiru's future.
maybe best discussed in the off topic section?

I'm normally all for thread drift... but not 10 pages worth

Yes you can, nothing to stop you setting up a heading and starting it off.

Doing that also has the benefit of allowing searches for subject matter easy.

1 minute ago, RossK said:

You're a funny guy Turbo - Train to the airport in Melbourne 🤣😂

Well we've been waiting for about 50 years and with the current statements by Melbourne Airport the State Minister and The Federal Minister fighting over underground or above ground station so maybe another 50?

44 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

I feel that your logic is wanting - you seem to be a closet Global Warming denier.

That's fine, however to present a convincing case, you might like to use complet, logically progressed, arguments.

 

I did start by writing a long, point by point rebuttal, however scraped that, as I would like to get back to matters aviation.

If you care to look back you'll see I was asking about the Caution you gave Jabiru7252.

11 hours ago, Jabiru7252 said:

Yes, I was in London in 1980 and the transport systems were great. I was also young and fit enough for fight or flight in the event of some asshole wanting to rob or bash me. These days with the nutters and druggies and other garbage out there I just wouldn't feel safe.

What’s the caution for Skippy? Do you know something we don’t?

48 minutes ago, FlyingVizsla said:

RAAus are looking at re-allocating registration numbers from aircraft that have been removed from the Register. 

 

It has been handy to be able to look up the aircraft rego and find out when it lapsed and some information about it (serial No. etc).  I hope some way of still finding this out remains, even after the number has been re-allocated.

 

I know a number of people who have bought wrecks or unregistered planes with the intention of returning to the Register.  Keeping the number, keeps the history and also avoids the work associated with taking numbers off wings etc.  I am not opposed to this re-allocation of numbers, but keep the history please.

 

RAAus will be contacting owners, but in some cases the plane was sold with the rego lapsed with no regard for who bought it.  I know one that crashed in a paddock, the owner took the engine and abandoned it.  The farmer ended up giving it to someone who is now rebuilding it.  Same with deceased estates, where the half built kit goes to whoever made an offer and took it.

 

This is from their Newsletter

Review of Cancelled Aircraft Registrations

As part of an update to RAAus’ IT infrastructure, we will shortly be commencing a review of our database to ensure that information is accurate and up to date. In particular, we will be conducting a review of cancelled aircraft registrations.

We will be shortly reaching out to owners of unregistered aircraft to determine if these aircraft are required to remain on the register. Once this has been determined, these aircraft will be re-registered, de-registered or placed on hold for members who wish to retain their registration number.

RAAus offers new aircraft owners the ability to choose a registration number when they register an aircraft. By reviewing cancelled aircraft registrations these numbers may be returned for future use by RAAus members.

If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to our Technical team.

Am I correct in saying the current registration protocol allows for 10,000 aircraft.

If that's the case there are plent of combinations left.

It's never good policy to overwrite because in some cases people keep history records based on Registration Number with notations and history by Reg Number, so you finish up with two histories.

If an aircraft has a bad accident and is rebuilt, then re-registered so the history starts at zero its open to fraud.

Plane spotters record everything and the ID component is the Registraton Number. These people are on the ball enough to pick up most changes but there will be circumstances where some slip through.

When databasing a lot of items and particularly where something is split, such as an aircraft with two call signs; the search and processing of the analysis is not a clean one. In some cases it requires a  master index with the before and after numbers having different master numbers, in others a "side ident" to relate to something else like a date to decide which reg we are talking about.

I wouldn't do it.

5 hours ago, sfGnome said:

I remember when I was a kid, spending a heap of time gathering information to support my contention that Holdens were better than Fords. Of course, the reason for my certainty was that my dad had a Holden, and the reprobate that I was arguing with’s dad had a Ford. Neither of us were old enough to drive, but the certainty of our positions were absolute. 
 

What’s my point? This entire ‘discussion’ (although the term ‘discussion’ implies listening to the other party in an attempt to learn and come to some agreement) bears a distinct resemblance to to pointless arguments of my youth.

 

We don’t think about ROI when buying a car any more than we do when choosing a plane. We buy (or rent) one that fits our needs, budget and personal predilections. Some of us like ICEs, some of us like EVs. It’s all good. 
 

Now, can we get back to talking about aircraft and flying and stop shouting at each other about things we’ll never agree on? Please?

If you're suggesting this discussion is just pointless arguments an no one knows what they are talking about, by all means pick a subject and actually open a discussion on another subject and see if you can attract comments.

The comments may appear opposing, but that's because real-world test data is only emerging slowly, but we do have opposing data so the delta is a lot closer to being obtained than it was, and a lot of issues not generally available have come to light. The material we are discussing might be fom cars, but much of it will transfer to anyone who wants to buy a battery powered aircraft.

59 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

You misunderstand - I am suggesting the bulk of our population can use EV's or not have a car at all, because they live in/close proximity to their work/leisure/shopping

 The only reason for using EV is if CO2 produces global warming. Given that minimising CO2 emissions is the goal and the EVs are not recharged by Coal-Fired power plants or diesel generators, both of which are occurring now, I'd suggest we would need to tackle the biggest volume areas - where vehicles are operating with open throttles. Tis group only use their cars for low annual distance and these days in 40, 50 and 60 km/hr zones so are minute emitters.

It just happens that because their distances are so short and time for charging so long and full power rarely demanded they are also prime material for EV.

The vehicle meets the Application but the CO2 reduction is tiny in volume.

59 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

  - this could be further improved/encouraged by decent public transport (something Australia generally lacks )

Yes it does and bringing it up to Kyoto standard would eliminate most of those cars except for people who wanted to go on holidays, rode horses had family in Geelong etc.

The Prime cost would be huge to do it all at once, and the States have dropped into heavy debt loads to get us through Covid. Victoria has already started the process When their underground loop is finished you can live in Mentone and catch a train to Monash Uni, the Chinese Restaurant precinct in Box Hill or the Airport reducing the need for a car to do those things Kyoto is just a multiple of that concept on steoids.

So for this idea, a good sociological plan but not a great reduction in CO2, and probably not going to happen because of finances being used for other things.

59 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

The few that live outside our cities could continue (at least until we have suitable/viable electric utes/trucks/tractors/etc) with ICE's - their contribution to pollution/ energy cost/dollars spent on urban roads is miniscule by comparison.

17.9 million people live in our cities - with traffic speeds up to 80 except for freeways so part throttle = part power demand = not as range sensitive as country.

8.1 million people live in the Regions so a bigger percentage of wide open throttle, full CO2 emissions, and biggest battery drains often with less than 2 hours turna around. For example an Elders Mount Gambier Salesman taking a client to buy stud sheep in Deniliquin will pick up his client around 4 am, drive 5 hours straight to deniliquin, spend about 2 hours on the farm where they'll be given lunch, fuel up at the local service station and drive straight back to Mount Gambier, so about 9 hours drive at 100 km/hr and 20 minutes charge time if the service station has a charger.

If, somehow there was a large takeup of EV in the cities and ICE suppliers dropped their regional vehicles just as GM and Ford dropped their utes, the world falls apart for these 8.1 million people.

So there are some bigger prices to pay than just putting up with an alleged increase of 1.5 degrees C ambient. Think about it; that would give Melbourne about the same temperatures that Sydney has now and Sydney about the same as Brisbane has now and Brisbane about the same as Townsville is now.

A good example of ignoring the regional people is in the South East of South Australia where the agricultural production represents half the income of South Australia. If they lost their vehicle infrastructure, a State would be crippled. We wouldn't have to wait for the 1.5 degree Armageddon to show its nose over the horizon.

Here's the de-Social Media-ised original Daily Mail story I posted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12769167/Hyundai-Ioniq-5-road-trip-Melbourne-Sydney-expensive-slow.html

Source: Daily Mail Australia

Journalist: Belinda Cleary

Published: 21:19 AEDT 20/11/23

Updated: 10:24 AEDT 21/11/23

As you can see some of the story is backed up by the photos, and the trip distances, Stop locations, charge times, and amounts are shown.

If anyone believes these have been tailored or falsified, you should contact the Australian Press Council on this link: https://presscouncil.org.au/

There's a link to help you make your comments which will be adjudicated and the adjudication published.

I'd be interested to see the results.

18 minutes ago, Student Pilot said:

GSIO 480/540, Tiara and GO300 continental are examples of geared engines in production and use, not the last few years but were used extensively. There are all sorts of old wives tails of gearbox's and the use there of. I think Rotax and PT6 engines have proven they are not a problem.

Some have been a problem like the fatal belt break on the Mustang in Queensland and failures from misalignment, poor mounting, out of balance etc.  and there is a small power loss because of driveline coefficient having to be added, but technically it's as you say; if the engineering is correct it works well. I'm not concerned about the driveline itself, but that fact that it allows a screaming engine speed by comparison with the long life aero engines operating around 2000 to 2600 rpm approx.

When you're analysing engine reliability and life and you put stroke length into the equation and multiply that by lengths per hour you come up with the total length the piston, rings and bore have/have been travelled. Usually the shorter travel length will win the reliability stakes.

Here are some more BEV costs on a Sydney-Melbourne trip from the Daily Mirror

30 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

What are the Australian population distribution statistics? - 80 -90% live in/close to, a few large metropolitan centres?

You can't politically condemn those outside your tent to poverty through lack of transport, so you have to find a solution for every City, every town and every property in Australia.

And BTW at the present time you have to convert all Public Transport rail either to Battery Electric power-generated by wind or solar or build solar/windfarms to power those huge electricity sinks which are currently emitting masses of CO2 at their Coal-fired Power Station supply points to make any sense of pushing people to EV.

It would be a lot cheaper for governments to do the research from the time the United Nations started the global warming programme in 1968.

Then you might not have to do anything.

2 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

What are the Australian population distribution statistics? - 80 -90% live in/close to, a few large metropolitan centres?

I wonder how many of our car owning urbane brother/sisters drive more than 1,000 km/anum? 

What distance  is the average urban trip? - my bet it's no more than about 10-20k

A worthwhile Government would have seen the light (fifty years ago) and constructed a selection of efficient (cheap or free/fast/frequent/safe / comfortable) public urban transport systems - no need for a private car.

Electric vehicles, available for hire, in accessible mini depots all around the city & environs - no need for a private car.

Large centers would have a few commercial distribution hubs around the periphery - only electric delivery into the city.

For those wanting a longer range/heavier duty vehicle - subsidized rental might be the way to go. Gov. could legislate to require an adequate selection of vehicles (try finding a suitable hire vehicle, fitted with electric trailer brakes, to tow a horse float - non in the Sydney Basin)

Public transport "stations" would have, in close proximity, adequat/secure vehicle parking - this no brainer seems to have escaped the Greater Sydney planning twits.

Could be started now - think of the reduction in pollution, energy saving,  road maintenance/construction savings (Sydney has just opened some sort of underground spaghetti junction - shear madness)

Public Transport take you from where you have to catch it to where it drops you off.

Owning a vehicle takes you from where you want to start to where you want to finish with the ability to take with you want you want.  So a few million more options.

The Kyoto, Japan solution is Shinkansen for major rural routes (2.6 hours Melbourne to Sydney from several platforms around town plus

Country rail

Local Rail

Above ground rail/bus local

Free mini Loop Bus local

Below ground rail connecting suburbs

Time scale to set that up; from around 1920.

Cost: Mostly privately owned.

32 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

I think you mean you can but you shouldn't,  as its against the law. 😁

 

I agree with all that has been said about the caravan/motorhome - I dont own one (strictly not true, as I converted a 1975 Viscount Supreme caravan, to an aircraft carrier,  but I can see the attraction (sort of fantasy).

I have friends with caravans/motorhomes - the only one I would come close to considering,  is the converted luxury coach (completely rebuilt from the chassis up by the owner - easy 110 kph), even then it would have to be a gift. They are all "mature" persons, long past tenting, particularly the females, who all seem to want a toilet/shower/regular bed and cooking facilities.

I will be touring at 2000 ft ++, 130 knots, 15L/hr - true no interactions (I hope) with wildlife & my luggage capacity (with full fuel) is very small but I will have an unobstructed view, get to my destination (for the day) well rested, in good time to hire that car for some local sightseeing.

If you ever pull into a caravan and find the communal fire started with people starting to gather you can be the DEBATE will start soon. Caravans and camping have much bigger forums than this site. I started out camping and wouldn't touch a caravan, then my wife asked how much she could spent on one so I confidently said $140.00 and she came back and said "We need to go and pick it up" As we drove into Eldorado Caravan Park the door fell off. My brother decided to come over to a Gemfest in Victoria. We descrived the van. There were 8000 people camped there, but he drove up to our van. At one stage we had 32 beds at our place from tents, camper trailer, caravan and motor home. All had specific uses and we took the kids into the Outback to places like Lake Eyre, Woomera etc. We'd noticed the old caravaners dying out each season, so decided to travel while we were young; turned out to be a good decision. There's also nothing wrong with flying cross country the way you do, or travelling Brisbane to Cairns by Jetstar and hiring a car or aircraft there. It's a free country.

Same goes with the method of transport.

2 minutes ago, facthunter said:

YOU can't just pull over on the edge of the road or a  clear spot and stay for the night anywhere in most states.. The" I'm all right Jack" is an example of a Straw Man argument.  If you have a few minutes look it up on Google.   Nev

I’m aware of the straw man argument from stories about old radial emgines  etc. , but I should have added the words “where permitted”.

24 minutes ago, onetrack said:

I'd suggest dragging a caravan from Melbourne to Cairns is one of the stupidest ideas out and the economics don't stack up.

These people pay $100K for a van, $100K for a massively overpowered 4WD to haul it, pay out $300 a day in fuel costs for dragging their hated highway clogger the 3000kms to get there - and when they get there, the school holidays are half over, they get a few days in Cairns, then have to depart again and clog the highways on the way back.

 

I've owned plenty of vans for work purposes and they're a constant PIA, with high maintenance costs, insurance, licencing, tyres - and plenty of them are poorly built as caravan manufacturers pop up everywhere, trying to get a share of the RV dollar. Caravan parts are always half the size and twice the cost.

 

My holidays involve no $100K van, no $100K fuel-hogging 4WD, and no clogged highways stress.

Airline fares are the cheapest method of going long distances, accommodation is available in most places, and hire cars are cheap, and always the latest model with good reliability. 

It's about time people woke up to the idiotic "RV dream", it's not a dream, it's an expensive nightmare, and it means stress-filled holidaying.

So says the OneTrack Bible however when the kids are tired halfway between Bendigo and Mildura, you can pull into a side track and go to sleep. At Wentworth you can stop and hand feed the possums in the caravan park, when things get boring half way to Broken Hill and you see a Blue Tongue lizard you can open a can of tinned fruit and let the kids feed it and it will identify they are mates and let them hold it and pet it and we still haven't go to the Qinkins or being the forst one to see a Cassowary, or the duck shooting for the evening meal etc.

I grew up in a manufacturing environment where we built what the customer needed, and we added numbers or customers or dropped numbers of customers, in the thousands, based on the specification decisions we made.

20 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

Well my EV has a 64kWH battery & cost 50k, has a 450km range & will get me 400 km at 110kmH. It just did 3 weeks ago. It has a 7 year unlimited km warranty & the first service is at 40,000 km. CATL who make the battery say with appropriate battery management it should last about 1 million km. Battery management software is built in to the car so that's easy. If you have 6-8 kW rooftop solar the running costs can be reduced to a fraction of the grid price, less than 20c a litre of petrol equivalent. Add to that the quiet comfortable ride and excellent driving dynamics.

 

The percentage of cars driving on main highways is tiny. Once you are out of the city there are not many & I am talking Pacific Highway between Coffs & Brisbane. This all changes at holiday time but I avoid this like the plague. Toilets overflowing and stinking of urine/excrement, queues at pumps and food outlets. But for most travellers going on holiday, they leave with 100% charge & get to their destination & just use the granny charger plugged in to a standard wall socket overnight.

 

The problem lies with successive governments. Australia has the highest uptake of rooftop solar in the world and one of the the lowest EV percentage though that is changing. In 2022 EVs made up only 1.8% of new vehicles sold This year by the end of September that had jumped to nearly 9%. Also Australia is one of only 2 countries without an emissions standard & we share that unenviable title with Russia. This means car companies can dump their dirtiest cars here at very cheap prices because they can't sell them anywhere else.

 

We have to stop burning stuff if we are to survive. The planet won't care that we have used all the resources it took 4.5 billion years to generate in 3-400 years. It will continue around the sun for billions of years to come without us.

That's the EV "I'm all right Jack attitude"

You can do what you want but the country people, the people who need to travel for business, the tradies who need to tow heavy loads long distances, anyone with a family and caravan doing Melbourne-Cairns and back for the school hollidays, the horse events, and so on can get stuffed.

You haven't allowed for the pushback.

7 minutes ago, RFguy said:

Look.

1) electric cars are nice, but as highway cruisers they are marginal ROI . 

2) For city stop start folk that can use regenerative braking effectively, they are fantastic.

and they are price comparible with ICE cars as they havea small battery.
but

if we take the highway cruiser : 

The 50k electric car (with a 300km battery)  once youve done 300,000km in it  is going to have cost you $66,000 (electricity costs from the mains at night) . plus perhaps $500/year service (15 years) = 73.5k
The 30,000 hybrid car at 4.5l/100km is goign to be $27,000 in fuel at 300,000km, so $57,000

(plus alot more in servicing, say $1200/year x 15  = 18k  = 30+27+18 = 75k

 

But to be apples with apples for highway cruising, you really do need at least 450km range or a 65 ish kwh battery .. really you do.... so you really need the 65k electric car.  so you electric car is another 10 grand. 

 

this is all assuming you are not paying any sort of CO2 polluting tax If you have a massive solar array at home say 15kW   your electricity costs are goign to be much lower, eventually) payback time on investment not to be forgotten !

 

so....

 

 

You make an important point.

In selecting a motor vehicle the first thing you do is look at the culture of the Manufacturer; that will help you avoid a lot of maintenance cost from manufacturers who sell cheap and build cheaper.

The next step is the most important; you look at your Application, which you have done here.

It's not that hard and it doesn't take that long. I've done Application Ananlysis for more than 12,000 vehicles.

In one case a fleet was buying Vehicle A which was 20% cheaper than Vehicle B and the fleet manager told me he was saving tens of thousands of dollars per year.

Vehicle A's price advantage was due to a smaller, cheaper engine which needed to be replaced at 80,000 km wheras Vehicle B's engine was lasting to 800,000. I was able to show him, and his own records confirmed that from year 3 he would save $500,000 per year buying vehicle B.

Aircraft Anaysis is the same; if you are flying solo the analysis will point to one aircraft, usually smaller and slower, but if you can take four passengers on a cost-shared basis, the lowest hourly travel cost will come from bigger, faster aircraft.

EV is no different as your calculations show.

6 hours ago, Litespeed said:

I do not see any inherent problems with appropriate gear drive and installation but that's where homebuilders often fail.

 

Your Modern Yamaha motor punches big torque/power at moderate revs and smooth as silk.

 

Done well I think they are terrific, so does the market. If peeps are paying for a new snow mobile just to get a engine it says they are very good and cheap compared to a underpowered Rotax.

Intermittent? More like constant steady power bar takeoff.

 

As a bike rider for close to 40 years mainly touring, your missing the point, they don't have to rev like a race bike to make good power. They are designed for grunt and longevity not for race tracks.

 

Remember you can be just as dead when a snowmobile stops in snow as a aircraft. Yamaha know this.

Give me an example of one you are taking about  with:

Max Power@rpm

Max Torque @ rpm

Chart showing the curves if you can scan as a jpg.

and I'll explain it.

........way that attracts more Victorians to move there each time someone says something in Queensland.

They never master the intonation, syntax, and emphasis on certain words though and Queenslanders are quick to identify this and passive reject them aye.

Sometime they just don't understand though, like once when Turbo was at a function with a Queensland mate and, just having a bit of fun, said "Have you heard about the scandal in the Logan Council. His mate innocently said "No, what's happened?" (His sister was a Councillor). "Well apparently, one of the female Councillors has been caught moonlighting as a prostitute" Turbo said "Who was it?" asked his mate, some urgency creeping into his voice. "I can't remember" said Turbo, I think her name might have been Shelley."

"That's my SISTER!" he replied and.................

8 hours ago, BrendAn said:

The biggest hurdle in Melbourne is the amount of cars that park on the street and the power grid can not cope with thousands of EVs plugged in overnight.  Our base power grid has been depleted by a rundown network and hazlewoods closure .

We need nuclear power and a lot of improvement to the transmission of power around the state. 

I know all the talk about the expense of nuclear power stations but how else can you supply enough electricity to power the nation without coal . The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow. I got an email today from ausnet with advice on how to prepare for power outages this summer. This state can't even supply reliable power even though we are paying a fortune for it. 

That's pretty much the story for the whole of the east coast grid now.

The State and Federal Governments are out of cash and borrowing deeply due to the costs of the Covid epidemic.

There's no point debating Nuclear now because we've passed the lead time point of recovery and there isn't the money available to build plants anyway.

There's no point to more solar or nuclear projects either because they can only produce base load - idle load; they can't expand to peak load like a coal-fired plant can. If you want to see the proof of this, get onto the AEMO site (which covers the Easter Grid of Qld, NSW, Vic, Tas, SA.) and watch the power flow live. The dashboard shows the available power being shuffled to the State with the heatwave. In mild conditions you will see solar and wind making up about 15% to 50% of the grid on base power, the coal stations at idle. Sit there on a hot night and you'll see a vastly different situation, sometimes with power being pulled into South Australia from Victoria, which then pulls from Tas and NSW which then pulls from Queensland which then pulls from the sugar mills. I watched solar and wind one night when it could only produce 1% of the demand. The Federal and State Governments have subsidised the wind farms which have undercut the baseload economics which supported the coal-fired plants. The coal-fired owners have been closing plants and departing Australia, and the governments have allowed this to happen based on the UN global warming agenda. None of them have investigated the little group within the UN that decided in 1968 they could make their funding out of crisis creation; none of them seem to have found the report on ways this could be done and the part where the UN committee said "We've chosen global warming"; none of them have checked their own tidal gauges and found the ocean level hasn't risen since the 19th century in Australia, confirming that Australia isn't warming. So there's a power crisis coming this summer and a solution; Coal-fired power stations are cheap to build and quick to bring on line. Without the UN global warming agenda we don't have to look at an unaffordable fix to our power needs. The governments that have let us down haven't taken this route; they've just started issuing warnings of dire consequences of global warming this summer which will lead to huge blackouts this summer. They pointed to the heatwaves of Europe in their summer just past, even though the northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere weather has completely different patterns.

Unfortunately for the governments this is Australia, and if we do have a hot summer this year and solar and wind reliance causes regular blackouts and the general public swings into attack mode, that'll be it for most of the governments and the new governments will know their survival depends on getting to the bottom of this mess.

As for electric cars as a means to remove CO2 from our atmosphere, the numbers are already being crunched and starting to appear. We don't generate enough power to charge them and we don't have the 3-phase infrastructure to charge them fast enough. More and more people in the electrical industry have been doing power calculations based on the kilwatt hour demand and consumption of EV, and confirming that Australia will need double to triple the amount of power output three phase power to every street and more substations per suburb. So the EV industry, apart from applications only requiring partial and single phase power, or charging from their own solar system has a finite upper limit where they'll be told to get lost in favour of households, businesses and industries.

Now you might say "That's only your imagination; there will be breakthroughs; that's never going to happen".  I say "Be my guest and invent these changes to the laws of physics and you'll be a millionaire."

Do we have any evidence of issues similar to what Australia is facing?

The UK moved harder and faster than us being one of the countries which banned ICE vehicles after 2030.

They committed to wind power with ocean based generation around the coast which was going to meet the power requirements of every house in Britain by 2021. They outlawed coal mining and shut down coal-fired power stations as fast as they could.

The policy has failed; they couldn't generate the peak power they needed so they started buying power from France, Belgium and Norway, installing undersea power cables.

They reversed the legislation banning coal mining and have encouraged fast construction of coal-fired plants.

The UK automotive manufacturing industry has been left hanging with, assuming they had trusted the government, existing platforms (complete car designs) of ICE cars set to shut down by 2030, and EV platforms rushed through design for about 3 years so far with exponential development cost to a 2030 production run, now facing a 2030 market which may be demanding ICE.

In the US the manufacturers have been more cautious, hitting social media with plans of their "new all EV plants for the modern era."  When you look at the number of employees, it's a fraction of a mainstream plant, so easy to shut down if they need to.

The EV industry has been touting "Zero Emission" like most promoting EV around the world, but EV only emit zero CO2 if they are charged by CO2-free means. US EV promoters covered that by quoting California, which almost has zero CO2 charging, whenever they could. When this argument fell apart, they quoted a national level which seemed too low to me so I went looking for power generation emissions State by State. Sure enough, like most things in the US, the figures were readily available. For many of the most dense industrial states the power generation was 100% coal-fired.

We are hovering in a situation where a lot of chickens are going to come home to roost quite fast. Best to keep up with what's really happening and why.