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Seemed to be the closest GA airstrip to Perth. The intention is to "bludge" of a relo for a few days- my sister lives in Perth. Hoping for a family welcome, transport/ bed/food/good company. Happy to entertain reasoned alternative's eg closer/cheaper/ more hospitable/ free hanger space/ etc. Have checked out Cue - possible visit on way out/back depending on weather 😈

Thanks FP 😈

I have no intention/likelihood of ever meeting the infamous Mr Palmer and I suspect that this would be true for the overwhelming number of the Au population. I note that there are a number of vulture like legal firms, adverting their litigious services on TV. Commonly referred to as "ambulance chasers" they drag a fairly rapacious profession to the absolute depths of predatory behaviour. I hope I will never need to be represented, for/against, by any such. All jokes aside - I know of no person who has gone down this track either as a litigant or defendant.😈

Is this your perception or backed by fact? My perception; the fear of being sued(Urban Myth) is out of kilter with the actual rate. 😈

Clearly you either did not read what I wrote OR failed to comprehend. Either way it would seem you have little if any experince of emergencies, the human reaction, the the need for concise communication.😈

It seems that many of my Forum friends have little understanding of what is involved when confronted by an emergency. The people (mariners) who developer the Mayday/Pan communication model must have had a deep understanding. They developed universally recognised short/to the point phrases that convey a level of danger/threat to vessel & soles on board. No additional communication is required to convey the degree of danger and the initial actions by first responders. Mayday/Pan is the Primary Communion;: The use of these terms empowers the PIC, to take whatever action is need, to address the situation Elicits certain actions in the first responders. Secondary Communication; Problem, (engine failure), location, altitude, intention, etc refines these responses. This improves the responders actions, by making assistance more applicable / targeted. My concern is is the dogmatic way some have treated the Secondary Communication. By definition, an emergency is a highly dynamic situation. No two emergencies will follow exactly the same pattern. The PIC must be allowed the freedom to describe what he/she is experiencing - not trying to conform to some theoretical formula. For sure certain phrases will convey much eg Fuel............, Intercepted........(Turbs) but will not come close to covering every situation. It is my contention that; Trying to mandate a particular code/system of communication, in an emergency, is highly likly to inhibit the conveying of essential information. Pilots are schooled in the basics - Identification (aircraft type & rego), Position (Nm/location/track), Altitude, Intention - this is ingrained/automatic - supplemented by what the problem is, in the PIC's own words, is sufficient.😈

You are intentionally drifting from the point I made, which is about your contention that every emergency can somehow be described by a number of pre agreed words, that encapsulates every situation. I have never disputed the right of the PIC to declare an emergency (PAN or MAYDAY) or the responses by ATC/Emergency Services to such a declaration. The reaction by flight crew/ATC/Emergency services will, to a large extent, be guided by the PIC's description of the emergency. The description need to be as accurate/full as the PIC can manage, in the circumstances, not constrained by some artificial convention. Further - should I be the PIC declaring an emergency (PAN or MAYDAY), I sure as hell will not be trying to fit that emergency into some theoretical descriptive pigeon hole - I will say it the way I see it😈

I do not dispute the procedure, as described. I do dispute the requirement/instruction to fit the emergency description into something dreamt up by Turbs or if true, a shiny bum, who fantasises that emergencies can be neatly pigeonholed into convenient titles. I question, in the recent instance of a BA aircraft / smell in cockpit, the need to go directly to a MAYDAY, the highest level of emergency. It is as always the PIC's call but why not start with a PAN that can be escalated to a MAYDAY, IF REQUIRED ? Further , with the benefit of distance & hindsight, its seem that a PAN would have been sufficient/appropriate, in the above instance - no defects were found.😈

Anyone able to contact CHRSQ to let him know I have been trying to reach him through "Messages"? 😈

I am planning two routes; Coastal WA, SA, southerly NSW (via highway) Inland WA, SA, northerly NSW (via Forest) 😈

If that be true - its crap! The PIC assesses the emergency situaton. Based on the assessment, from high to low, a Mayday, Pan, lower level or situaton normal, is arrived at. The PIC announces emergency with description - that description reflects the reality now, not some prearranged convenience. That is unless it just happens to fall within that prearranged description. For the most part emergencies are dynamic. The smell in the cockpit, could progress to a fire, but may not. The drunk passenger claiming to be wearing a bomb, may be or not. That engine light could be a faulty light or an engine failure - you get the picture???? The last thing you want, in an emergency, is the PIC struggling to fit the actual happening, into some convenient description arrived at by you or some shiny bum. The options for the PIC to communicate the perceived level of emergency are simple - MAYDAY X3, PAN X3, or something lesser again. There is no advantage/need for the PIC to be constrained to communicate within pre arranged descriptions. 😈

What is this - Now a smell in the cockpit has escalated to " smoke & fumes" - Bovine Excrement! Shades of tabloid hysteria. Turbs wants to Pidgeon hole every emergency into proscribed terms Fuel/Fire/Intercept/etc - emergency are dynamic,can not be proscribe by you or anyone else. Your neat little categories are either your fantasy or those of some desk jockey - unworkable in the real world. 😈

Turbs - That doesn't make any sense - there is no "significant difference between" Mayday calls. There are no proscribed Mayday calls such as you suggest. Mayday x 3 is usually followed by aircraft Type/ ID, location, altitude & track, a descriptor of the problem (anything that threatens the safety of the aircraft) and what the pilots intention /needs may be to address the situaton.😈

No ide whats happened. 😈

While a "smell in the cockpit" may be the harbinger of bad things to come, I doubt it initially warrants a Mayday call. Of course it may progress to a Mayday situation, then its upgraded from a Pan. This BA pilot has overstepped the mark by a significant margin. Now that they aircraft has been thoroughly checked out - no problem found - The Mayday looks even more dodgy. 😈

"However... .... a lot of people do not understand Pan Pan or Mayday Relay so I would probably use Mayday in most situations" Maaaate! Mayday / Pan is used in aviator & marine emergencies. Leaving out the sailors - every pilot/ ATC person will know what they mean/signify. I have just had a chat with my airline pilot friend (yes I do have the "odd" freind) he tells me that a Mayday elicits a greater response than Pan. The inference being, if you want priority landing/all the Blues & Reds etc Mayday will do it for you. Pan on the other hand is a bit , she'ill be right mate response. 😈

"Smell of fuel in the cockpit." Naa! Covering for a fart (no dog to blam) 😈

So you agree, the pilot should not have used Mayday. The media, as expected, are using the term. 😈

Recent return, of BA Singapore bound airliner, to Sydney airport, has prompted my failing memory to question the use of Mayday Mayday Mayday, in what I thought should be a Pan Pan Pan situaton. What think you? 😈

IF "Ruled by Lawyers" why is the US the crime leader of the western world?????? Me thinks it rule my psychopathic business men, whose one & only measure of worth is the dollar😈

I just put fuel SA in my search engine and three fuel availabity/price checks come up; https://fuelradar.com.au/map/location/au/sa/5000/adelaide https://www.raa.com.au/motor/safety-and-advice/fuel https://petrolspy.com.au/ 😈

Hi Onetrack, I am aware of ll the little ALA's along the railway line - what I am after is a potential refueling stop, due East of Forest. As far as I am aware there is ; Jacinth Ambrosia Mine - doesn't look promising for fuel or anything much else Tarcoola - looks big enough to have 95-98 RON but cant find any info. Woomera - Likly too far, as are those below Kingoonya - has fuel but insufficient detail Glendambo - Has 98 RON. Is 9Nm north of field 😈

Question for those who have done the trans Australia flight; If traveling from west to east. Kalgoorlie Bolder - Forest, is there any other alternative than to head back down to the coast to continue east? Just remember I only have a safe duration of about 6 hrs & still air range 780Nm 😈

Why cut your trip short ??? - Join me and fly to Serpentine (triple the fun & safety). If I am not on the Trans Australia, give me a heads up and I may join you on the "training flight" 😈

Seems to me that debate, should be conducted in the main Forum this section is for people who wish to purchase/sell😈