Litespeed

In a just world, which it is not. Its a Trumpian world. Boeing, its execs, enablers are effectively corporate murderers and personally liable to manslaughter in hundreds of counts. They knew exactly the outcomes that are expected and kept going. The people involved must face the sanction of law , as must the company. Its right to exist and operate in society should be removed. Just like a individual is jailed for life or given the death penalty for mass murder. Boeing should be a complete loss to shareholders as they bet the market and take the risk. The non illegal or non culpable contractors get to stay. The dodgy finance banks that pay fast and loose and in on the deal get a total loss. So only real honest debts and proper compensation for the victims are involved as the new owners. They restructure and the staff, and victims family with the deserving contractors/creditors own it. Unless something like this happens the "Boeing" disease will power on. Hundreds of people should be facing the full force of the law and possibly thousands some sanction. If the FBI was given a full mandate to enforce justice and even if funded a $billion dollars- it would be a excellent investment. That is only a single useless tanker by the time it might hit the flight line. If it costs more- fine. Boeing and its execs are paying the bill.

Corporate greed protected by the heavy hand of the police and government friends. The video says it all in the answers he gave, the cop protecting him from grieving relatives. Lying and been allowed to just waffle about his upbringing, using his parents lessons as a shield from scrutiny. And it was allowed as a "indulgence" no one should ever get. He was protected at a level a President would need or expect. An example of the Devil in a suit who has captured government, law, police, military, and the rarely critical media in their pocket. Police state from the other thread does not quite capture it. More like Capitalist Fascist state. Appearances of Democracy are an illusion. I have always felt Boeing as it is, is a dead duck, just they refuse too see it. But unless the next president is a democrat the chances are the corpse will live on the haunt us. The company is a web of lies including its accounts, with the best creative accounts money can buy. It is most likely they are technically and legally bankrupt. But are just too big and ugly to fail. They are propped up completely by the military side, which they milk till it bleeds for money. Try on the new fuel tankers they are making. From a $200 million aircraft for its Airbus equivalent and fully able to do variants to suit the US needs. Even was going to be built in America in partnership with a American firm. They won the contract worth billions, the inferior and expensive Boeing lost. Boeing screamed and the tender and contact was cancelled. Then written to ensure only Boeing could win and price was no objection. The new tanker is so badly built and designed, with simple and easy engineering changes to suit missions, making it unusable. The military have started to scream and refuse to certify them for use. Cost per plane so far, that can't be used. $800 million and rising. For a damn flying fuel tank. The order is for hundreds. They continue to build them, even though they are building faulty aircraft and are yet to work out a design that works. Things like a simple wiring change and reroute costing billions of recoverable R and D from the government tit. Then a extra zero added to the bill, they are friends. Makes the F35 seem cheap as chips and almost useful.

OK, so throwing rocks at politician s from a plane is a sin. But would throwing a pollie from a plane at rocks also be a sin? Not in a just world.

I am pretty sure that ..............Casting stones from a aircraft is considered a sin.

Whilst there are some real dropkicks out flying, and are waiting for the Darwin award. They, like any two year old knows when to hide or keep quiet when they really stuff up. If they lack the integrity to follow rules and keep things safe including for others, they sure ain't going to admit it. Bit like expecting Scomo to admit to anything.

Apparently it burned the bottom of the chopper as well. Defence has not admitted fault at all. They have said possibly. ie possibly done by the tooth fairy. Typical weasel words to deflect liability. Same as live firing exercises that cause fires. Never ever admit actual blame. Defence are a law to themselves and are never ever to blame, just ask them.

I can tell you just looking at the plane, exactly what went wrong........................... The engine fell off?

Its actually the big fire outside of Canberra. Started by a military chopper landing with search light on. Long grass, dead dry, massive heat from light......bingo fire.

What the hell is happening? Yesterday the crash video appeared then was taken down. Is this YouTube allowing censorship or something else? Then today a new member who joined in the night has sent me a pm about accessing the video and saying that I " Litespeed" have a fuller version, that ATSB want from me. And that they are upset I published it. What the f... The person claims they are from Severe Weather Australia and their news director. This is fishy as hell. If they are actual media- why are they members? Why me, I have no video and did not post one. Did anyone else get this pm? Are we now to be targeted for having an opinion? His name is Daniel Shaw.

The biggest problem is we are living on carbon and environments that took millions of years to get here. If we only consumed the resources our planet can produce in our life time we would be ok. But you can't introduce millions of years of carbon resources in 200 years and not expect trouble. To think otherwise is either pure selfishness or complete ignorance.

Well said, Except we are already feeling it, it is happening right this moment. Global heating- a better name than climate change is getting into more obvious effects but has been with us since anyone here was born. We just had not reach such a critical point where the heating effects caused such large changes in climatic systems. It is pushing more than 50 years since smart minds new this was a huge problem and 30 since the public were generally aware. The pollies and big oil have known since the beginning. In every possible way not just with Co2, us humans have completely changed the planet that sustains all known life. And it is a very complex ecological system. Anyone notice the big dust storms? Thats, billions of tons of soil from mainly farms disturbed soil been lost. That soil took 100's to thousands of years to form. Yes we can pour resources into helping but the soil we lost is gone. We have the oldest and most impoverished soils in the world, we must manage soil better and not farm marginal land that is easily damaged. And our rivers- dryed up zones of dead fish and now the others have copped ash and that is killing as well. The environment when I was born is vastly changed today and all for the worse. With the exception of less rabbits. But we didn't have to wreck the joint for that small change. Yes, we have cleaned up some really nasty chemical plants of days past but the poison still exists, we just moved it. In 1964 the seminal "Silent Spring" by DR Racheal Carson was published, she proved all the connections of DDT use and the collapse of insects and bird numbers. We were covering the planet in toxins and killing off life at a massive rate for a short term chemical fix for mosquitoes and some ag pests. 7 years later DDT was banned in the US. WE are still making and using similar chemicals and decimating insect life and the birds that eat these bio accumulators. No fish on the planet, even in the Antarctic is free from their traces. Same with microplastics and bigger bits, Antarctic fish have them too. We are already in the pot, and it is getting close to boiling.

You seem to be very happy to quote figures that don't stack up. Besides the fact we are the biggest exporter in the world in coal and LNG both which create huge emissions and pollution in mining and usage. Arguments, they will buy it elsewhere are not entirely true, we have been pushing coal real hard and CNG and done political hit jobs on any green competition on a global scale, this has been for decades. Your wish to do nothing, in the knowledge that it is a issue, does not change the actual effect we have on the planet. Its like living in world where murder is legal and refusing to allow it to become illegal, because others have murder in their country. OR how about refusing to ban machine guns to angry blokes, because they are cheap and available in Africa?

Congratulations for gratuitous use of strawman argument to abdicate all responsibility. No one is saying we alone have to do that. Nor that if we did the rest of the planet would do nothing. That is plain stupid.

I don't really see the use of our scale planes as a huge issue on the scale of overall emissions. However, like any fuel use it still counts if it fossilised carbon based. As a community and planet wide, we all need to do our bit to reduce our emissions. Reducing unessary trips in the car can save heaps. Flying to do work or even holidaying can be a great deal lower emissions in a Jabiru compared to a big car or 4wd. It all depends on the destination etc. I do not fly in big jets, haven't for over a decade. Don't need to, so ...

The whole fuel use vs utility vs need to get somewhere vs other power vs type of vehicle etc is complex. The average blokes fishing cum pleasure boat can have a 100hp and some even 500hp all very thirsty if given their head. 35 Lt a hour per 100 HP at aprrox 70 % load. So heaps, but going slow very little. The petrol powered gin palace can use 200 litre s a hour at med speeds. But, the smaller four stroke 10-15 hp and better two stroke motors are great economy wise and can get 4-5 nm a litre on a efficient light little boat at 10 knots, that's what mine does. The best for bigger boats are displacement hulls, they have a hull speed dependant on length and shape. Generally 6-10 knts and all have diesels. The best tend to be sailboat or motor sailers . on motor alone, even with a 120 HP ford Lees, 1 litre per nm is the av. The bigger and longer boats surprisingly don't use huge amounts. But if it runs a old two stroke diesel they are thirsty and the same machine might be 1.5 litres nm. The best by a ocean mile is a Gardener, the best big boat motor in the world. The same boat with a 'G' spot will only use 0.5 litres nm. So huge difference. The above figures are for a 52 ft ferro sailboat weighing 32 tons. So very cheap to move such a heavy thing, but the weight gives a very comfy boat at sea. Nothing can travel the world with less impact than a sailing ship. Which is where I will be heading soon. Living off the ocean using the winds, solar power and a very efficient diesel can be a very fun life and low impact on nature and the wallet. And it can be run on biodiesel, chip oil etc if processed properly. So in theory can be completely fossil fuel free.

Very sad, especially for the loved ones of these brave men.

Anyone in AU's? I don't think so. They are a rare build. I think they used his own Taylor impregnated paper with resin instead of normal skins. Good luck

I hope he packed a life vest. He should be used to it by now- his piloting not just the aircraft. But something tells me it is a complete surprise to him.

I am hard enough. Harden up?? I didn't squeal when the actual historical truth was presented. To choose which facts or history you believe is not relevant, reality does not change just because you do not like it. If you did not agree with anything I said- then discuss. Don't have a hissy fit and just say its all lefty stuff we don't want to hear. I did not say the right wingers are all bad, all employers were bad nor all of government is bad. Intelligent capitalism can be a very good thing. It am not shoving it down anyone's throat. I certainly did not say they eat the young nor that the left never gets it wrong. Guess I was a bit too slow to jump the gun, but I like to think then aim.

I think what they are really saying is this..... "We have learnt from legacy players in aviation to charge like a wounded bull even if our numbers made, costs and actual engineering prowess indicate otherwise. We have little wish to be a fair price as we own the market bar that pesky Jabiru. We design our products for maximum return via any parts prices, almost complete replacement of the engine in a rebuild cost and parts wise. We are happy to screw you at all stages of ownership and have worked the market to ensure you will happily just buy another engine at even bigger prices when things get close to a big bill. You can trust our research and development guys are developing safer sounding ways to extract more profit from your wallet pain"

I think if you re read what you wrote, you gave a very distinct impression. Unfortunately some are fooled easier than others. In all my career I never, ever discriminated in my time, tuition, scientific work or health care work in extreme risk environments- as in putting your lifes work and actual life on the line daily for 15 years. Everyone deserved and got the same level of attention and care/knowledge and or advocacy irrespective of their or parents bank balance or views. And never received a cent for much of it. My last paid Job was a real cracker- when the cops were called, they would often say- Mate "what the fark do you expect us to do, I have a taser, gun and hand cuffs. I am not going in that house without using at least 2" Then I would be going in and no weapons. Just a compassionate mind and decades of experience in conflict resolution/mental health/developmental disability and real time at the university of hard knocks. I never had a vest , must be because they didn't have a pink one maybe? My last workplace of 7 years saw me watch 75 staff either leave from stress, or assaults some life changing. Yep, us lefty pinko nancy boys just suck off the public tit and get scared by a spider. Wouldn't know a hard days work and risk unless it bit em on the bum Gee Butch, must be hard slaving away, so the rest of the world can enjoy life and drink from your swill bucket. And all those bloody employees insisting on rights like fairness, a safe work environment and a million other "lefty pinko commie socialist clap trap" things. It must make your skin crackle.

Thanks Kyle and Nev. Love the turbine balancer. My mate builds engines and he is anal about balancing to get the best of BMW engine to do their stuff on road and track. I know they are not quick nor cheap. The $50 is for a factory like Rotax to incorporate in the production line. It could be more but depends on the automation etc 50,000 engines is enough to justify the investment.

Wtf? I never said Farmers were at fault did I? There is nothing socialist about wanting the promised education that our government says is a right to any who have the intellect. Nor wanting the funding to go to the public sector, its public money remember. Just because a farmer does not qualify , does not mean a great deal, except the rules where changed by Howard in 1996 in the first days of power. The changes dumped huge numbers of kids including farmers offspring from being eligible. I know, I worked at the angry end of it all, advocating for students to get Austudy to continue at uni. Even worse I personally had reviews made to get over 50 farmers sons and daughters get Austudy, when they read the rules unfairly to discriminate against students. I certainly did not care if they had views left or right wing. Don't sprout your angry bashing of workers or students or scientists and other education workers. Your reply tends to indicate you feel a unusual sense of entitlement or anger against those who arent bussiness owners. Is it because your a farmer or a LNP voter? Neither entitles you to more access to government services than any one else. Nor better funding for their education. If that's socialist, I am happy to be called that. Its actually just fairness. PS I haven't had paid holidays or super from fulltime work in a decade. My super wouldn't buy a damn cheap new 4wd. People in glass houses?

At that price, the balance is the huge wad of cash in profit. Why bother balance the new ones? They got away with it so far.

You could get valves cheaper for a Ferrari engine. And don't give me shite about low build numbers. One of the most expensive to rebuild engines I know of, a BMW M5 3.6 is a masterpiece and rare. But parts are still cheaper.