DH 88 severe nose over

[danny_galaga]

Apparently the pilot is ok, had to go to hospital though

This plane is a handful and lots of people commenting on that landing. But I've heard, maybe from here, that the 'semi wheeler' approach is pretty much the only way it can be done. That still undercarriage design doesn't help.

 

 

[skippydiesel]

It hard to see however it appears that the pilot is not applying up elevator/stick back on landing😈

[Marty_d]

That's a shame. I saw Grosvenor House at Shuttleworth Old Warden about 10 years ago.

There's no shortage of keen volunteers to repair her though, wouldn't be surprised if she was back in the air in a couple of years.

[T510]

Sad day, unfortunately I have read that it will most likely be restored for static display 

[facthunter]

Too much brake Applied and tail wheel on the ground  bit soon as well causing it to get airborne, Nev

[danny_galaga]

1 hour ago, skippydiesel said:

It hard to see however it appears that the pilot is not applying up elevator/stick back on landing😈

Like I say. Apparently you have to land this plane 'semi wheeler'. This is not your grandad's Cub ☺️

[facthunter]

They all obey the same laws Of Physics. Forward vision on that is restricted and I guess you don't get a lot of time to spend practicing in something that rare. Nev

[CT9000]

 

Semi wheeler is not difficult at all, in fact I think it is the safest way to land a taildragger. I also think too much brake too early, not enough back stick.

[rgmwa]

I saw Grosvenor  House in pieces at the back of the hangar in about 1976 before it was restored, so I guess they can do it again. 

[facthunter]

 A "taildown " wheeler is more difficult to"Pin" the aircraft  on the ground. Apparently it has a brake similar to a chipmunk (but Mechanical) where it's pulled on by hand. Maybe it jammed on. (Ratchet pulled too Hard) When you're slow. the elevators don't do much to stop a Plane tipping. The Main directional control is achieved by the  steerable Tailwheel with the stick held right Back in the Landing roll to keep the wheel in constant contact with the surface. Nev

[BrendAn]

What does semi wheeler mean ?

[rgmwa]

11 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

What does semi wheeler mean ?

A lucky escape?

[danny_galaga]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

 A "taildown " wheeler is more difficult to"Pin" the aircraft  on the ground. Apparently it has a brake similar to a chipmunk (but Mechanical) where it's pulled on by hand. Maybe it jammed on. (Ratchet pulled too Hard) When you're slow. the elevators don't do much to stop a Plane tipping. The Main directional control is achieved by the  steerable Tailwheel with the stick held right Back in the Landing roll to keep the wheel in constant contact with the surface. Nev

I saw some more comprehensive video and explanation. That was the second attempt. He landed long, and was nearly out of runway. So either do what he did, or through the hedges and onto the road. If you look at previous landings, that airstrip is not ideal for that plane. I think I would be totally puckered up for EVERY SINGLE LANDING 😄

[rgmwa]

The props on the DH88 were two position - set to fine on the ground for takeoff and climb and automatically went to coarse pitch for cruise. They had to be manually reset to fine on the ground, so they would be landing with coarse pitch. I don't know how that would affect the landing as they would be throttled back but it probably didn't help, and would have made go-arounds interesting.