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[skippydiesel]

40 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

BrendAn - my freind ,

 

Haven't you worked out that ALL career politicians are O2 thieves.

 

It realy doesn't matter what party is in power, they are only intersted in their own wellbeing/power.

 

Science/Logic/Common-sense, policy, is all subject to political expediency.

 

Some semblance of decency can be found in the independence, some of the time.

 

Much like the priests, of all religions, politician have been touched by the hand of god to lead, us common/inferior mortals. 

 

I am convinced that every polly has the gods on speed dial.

😈

 

 

 

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, skippydiesel said:

BrendAn - my freind ,

 

Haven't you worked out that ALL career politicians are O2 thieves.

 

It realy doesn't matter what party is in power, they are only intersted in their own wellbeing/power.

 

Science/Logic/Common-sense, policy, is all subject to political expediency.

 

Some semblance of decency can be found in the independence, some of the time.

 

Much like the priests, of all religions, politician have been touched by the hand of god to lead, us common/inferior mortals. 

 

I am convinced that every polly has the gods on speed dial.

😈

 

 

 

i agree. they are all in it for themselves. i just had to post that facebook joke for the resident lefty.

there is a lot to say about the current govt but i won't go on about it on here.

[facthunter]

Funny they got In by a Record amount but don't let Facts bother you. Who would you rather have in right Now? There really is no one else at the Moment..  Stop Hurling Insults.  Nev

[coljones]

3 hours ago, BrendAn said:

8. What an absolutely stupid comment! The Liberal and Country Parties have been equally remiss in their treatment of liquid fuels to the extent that they gave away LPG and, in his swansong, Taylor gifted our fuel reserves to the USofA (try getting that back from Trump) and shut down refineries.

 

"Don't vote, for fucking Labor" might be a better slogan or even better would  - 

[Thruster88]

6 hours ago, kgwilson said:

There are B doubles that fully loaded travel from Melbourne to Sydney on a single charge. The battery is swapped in less than 15 minutes.

There are automatic battery swap machines for medium size trucks already operating that take less than 5 minutes. Quicker than filling the tank with diesel.

I don't think this happening yet, Sydney to Melbourne. An electric truck did deliver a load of toilet paper from Sydney to canberra recently and this made news.

 

We are told the tesla semi can achieve 1.05 kwhours per kilometre, if we apply some musk bs factor and assume in the real world a b double might use 1.5kwh per kilometre. 878km x 1.5 = 1317kwh battery required. That would be about 8 tonnes of battery. Not sure what the freight rate is Sydney Melbourne, the electric truck will be giving up about 6 tonnes of freight. Electric trucks will rule when the bean counters say it is time.

[coljones]

5 hours ago, Siso said:

You are right, Twiggy is no fool, Milking all the government grants

I think Gena has also hopped onto the subsidies.

[Arron25]

4 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

I should add -

I recognise the inevitability of E power and its benefits for the environment, as such I am a reluctant supporter

Reluctant because, after a lifetime of developing & enjoying  IC engine skills, it will be a sad day when they are obsolete.

I hope I am either dead or past driving/flying by then. 😈

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battery technology will improve

 The catch Cry of Every E Zealot for at least the last 30 years.. It in reality Still hasn't

I would like someone Serious to do a 'Total Cost of Ownership including True Environmental Costing" on the 'E' products as I am sure it will Shock even the most adamant.

[facthunter]

Won't be long till things can be recharged while on the Move or just change or fast charge a Battery or prime mover. The driver is supposed to have rests anyhow. No turbocharger temps to watch on Hills. Nev

[BrendAn]

29 minutes ago, coljones said:

8. What an absolutely stupid comment! The Liberal and Country Parties have been equally remiss in their treatment of liquid fuels to the extent that they gave away LPG and, in his swansong, Taylor gifted our fuel reserves to the USofA (try getting that back from Trump) and shut down refineries.

 

"Don't vote, for fucking Labor" might be a better slogan or even better would  - 

It's a joke I come across not a comment. Sure stirs the lefties up. And my opinion is the same as Skippys. They all have their snouts in the trough, libs and labour. It just happens that we have the worst government in living memory ATM.

Edited 15 hours ago by BrendAn

[facthunter]

How about a few reasons for your "worst government in Living Memory" BS. They'd easily get elected  if one was Held even though not one Paper will  write the truth about their achievements. Anyhow why( just Like Trump) Blame so called Lefties for everything. I believe in the Market and free enterprise. Taxes don't go to Politicians. It goes into Consolidated revenue and is Budgetted and spent under Much scrutiny,, This gov't HAS Paid off debt . It's impossible to have an ADULT conversation about much Here as soon as someone starts Bashing the Gov't and Labelling and insulting People as fun , IT is Not funny. BTW those who dish it out Can't  take it. I've had more than My share of Labelling and slander so Let's cut it out for the sake of the forum and common decency and respect that all should be entitled to. Separate the Person from what they have said. and don't shoot the Messenger and allow people to express different  Views.. I'll answer for anything I post here and answer any serious question, happily.  The  real Money Made by Pollies is Kick Backs for getting big Money deals through for People WITH Money and Influence.. Nev

[BrendAn]

3 hours ago, facthunter said:

How about a few reasons for your "worst government in Living Memory" BS. They'd easily get elected  if one was Held even though not one Paper will  write the truth about their achievements. Anyhow why( just Like Trump) Blame so called Lefties for everything. I believe in the Market and free enterprise. Taxes don't go to Politicians. It goes into Consolidated revenue and is Budgetted and spent under Much scrutiny,, This gov't HAS Paid off debt . It's impossible to have an ADULT conversation about much Here as soon as someone starts Bashing the Gov't and Labelling and insulting People as fun , IT is Not funny. BTW those who dish it out Can't  take it. I've had more than My share of Labelling and slander so Let's cut it out for the sake of the forum and common decency and respect that all should be entitled to. Separate the Person from what they have said. and don't shoot the Messenger and allow people to express different  Views.. I'll answer for anything I post here and answer any serious question, happily.  The  real Money Made by Pollies is Kick Backs for getting big Money deals through for People WITH Money and Influence.. Nev

i haven't got time to list all the reasons the albosleazy government are hated by a lot of australia.

mass immigration is a big one.  they had no hope of winning the last election without preferences .   albo is importing as much of the third world as he can so they become labour voters once they obtain citizenship and then we will be stuck with labour for ever.  paid off debt, really, they are going to break the economy with net zero rubbish while continuing to export coal. lng and uranium.  

this is the wrong forum to go on about this.

 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by BrendAn

[BrendAn]

5 hours ago, Thruster88 said:

I don't think this happening yet, Sydney to Melbourne. An electric truck did deliver a load of toilet paper from Sydney to canberra recently and this made news.

 

We are told the tesla semi can achieve 1.05 kwhours per kilometre, if we apply some musk bs factor and assume in the real world a b double might use 1.5kwh per kilometre. 878km x 1.5 = 1317kwh battery required. That would be about 8 tonnes of battery. Not sure what the freight rate is Sydney Melbourne, the electric truck will be giving up about 6 tonnes of freight. Electric trucks will rule when the bean counters say it is time.

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[kgwilson]

10 hours ago, T510 said:

Sorry but this is completely inaccurate.

 

F1 and Formula E only share one track because the standard race tracks are too long for the Formula E cars.  F1 races for 78 laps around Monaco, whereas Formula E runs for 29 laps around the same circuit.

 

F1 record at Monaco is Lando Norris, 1:09.954, McLaren, 2025 (Qualifying), while the fastest qualifying lap in Formula E in 2023 was Sascha Fenestraz’s 1:28.773.

 

I don't doubt EV's are going to play a huge part in the future but I think Hybrids will prove to be the most useful. 

 

I think Edison are on the right track with their hybrid trucks and pickup conversions. I would love an early F truck with one of their conversions

It is no longer 2023 but 2026. The Gen4 Formula E is all wheel drive, 10 seconds faster in some scenarios, produces 600kW (805HP) with 0 to 100 km/h in 1.5 seconds so is easily quicker to the first corner. F1 currently has the edge in top speed and handling but this will be overcome in the very near future. There is way more money poured in to every facet of F1 than FE

[kgwilson]

12 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

?????

 

😈

You can keep your head in the sand and pine for the good old days of smelly oil burners or embrace where technology is going. Plenty of businesses are doing just that. Some will fail but that is how progress happens as we learn from those mistakes.

 

The fossil fuel industry is behind a huge amount of misinformation like EV production using too much rare and costly materials, batteries lasting only a few years etc and you throw away materials when everything is worn out. All garbage and absolute proof exists. One example is that batteries when completely spent are ground in to black mass & 95-98% of the cobalt, lithium, manganese and other rare material is recycled.

[BrendAn]

2 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

You can keep your head in the sand and pine for the good old days of smelly oil burners or embrace where technology is going. Plenty of businesses are doing just that. Some will fail but that is how progress happens as we learn from those mistakes.

 

The fossil fuel industry is behind a huge amount of misinformation like EV production using too much rare and costly materials, batteries lasting only a few years etc and you throw away materials when everything is worn out. All garbage and absolute proof exists. One example is that batteries when completely spent are ground in to black mass & 95-98% of the cobalt, lithium, manganese and other rare material is recycled.

show me a 16 ton gvm e truck with  a 1000 km range. i would buy them if they were available but i have never found any.

[BurnieM]

Most of us are neither pro or anti EVs.

We know we have limited fossil reserves.

 

We know fuel companies are greedy f*cks.

We know that for unexplained reasons no Australian government wants to control their operations.

 

We know that lifetime maintenance is less than ICE vehicles.

We do not understand why the entry point for basic EVs is so expensive.

We are uncomfortable about the limited range of EVs.

We know that EV techonology particuarly batteries and electric motors is constantly improving.

 

We are in a transition phase now.

There is no black or white right answer for all (or most) circumstances.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by BurnieM

[Moneybox]

Electric vehicles have been in service for many years, forklifts and golf carts. These vehicles have been serviced well by Lead Acid batteries and due their mode of operation they perform well, have a long life, low maintenance and last throughout the day. They are the type of vehicle that can be parked up at night on charge and the mass of the lead acid battery pack doesn't present a problem.

 

Road going vehicles have problems with weight, they need to reliably travel longer distances, they need recharge at varying locations and so far battery technology and charging facilities haven't reached a suitable level to service the needs of regular daily use if you are anywhere away from the city.

 

For many of us they are not a viable option and in and economical sense they cannot compete with internal combustion engines using regular fossil fuels.

 

Sure we're running out of fossil fuel just like we were when they tried these scare tactics forty years ago. 😁

 

[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405844024152310 "One argument advanced in support of reducing fossil fuels consumption is limited supply. Using the principle of “Peak Oil Theory,” proponents state that fossil fuels is a limited resource and the world will simply run out of it. Based on the available data, we demonstrate that supply of fossil fuels is relatively abundant, and we will not run out of fossil fuels in near term."]

[Ian]

22 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

We haven't developed fossil fuel resources or alternatives such as biodiesel of alcohol. Requires fertilizers/pest controls/diesel - I question the economics & environmental benefits of bio fuels

While these aren't perfect studies generally show about an 80% reduction in GCG compared to fossil diesel. Alcohol based fuels are slightly lower.

But these sources lean into agriculture which is an Australian strength and they also provide fuel security.

We still need liquid fuels for planes, the maths simply doesn't work for batteries and hydrogen is silly.

What we're finding now is that fuel security matters.

Edited 9 minutes ago by Ian