red750 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 A search and rescue is under way after a light plane crashed into the ocean south of Adelaide. The aircraft plunged into Long Bay, off Goolwa South, just before 4.30pm local time (5pm AEDT) today. Emergency services, including water police and a helicopter, are at the scene trying to find the occupants. It's unclear how many people were on board at the time. The incident happened in front of several witnesses out on the bay this afternoon. 1 3
FlyingVizsla Posted February 6 Posted February 6 The ABC report https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-06/light-plane-crash-at-goolwa-south/106316008 2
RenegadeMan Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Video footage. Sadly, that looks like an unsurvivable stall-spin accident: https://x.com/7NewsAdelaide/status/2019694673267400809?s=20 4
FlyBoy1960 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 any guesses on type ? Looks like a Cessna (i mean really, not a journalist's Cessna) 1 1
KRviator Posted February 6 Posted February 6 11 hours ago, RenegadeMan said: Video footage. Sadly, that looks like an unsurvivable stall-spin accident: https://x.com/7NewsAdelaide/status/2019694673267400809?s=20 That'll do it, every time...
onetrack Posted February 6 Posted February 6 ABC News and SAPOL have confirmed three men aged 57, 18 and 19 are deceased as a result of the crash. Three men dead after light plane crash near Goolwa South, police say - ABC News WWW.ABC.NET.AU Police were called to the Long Bay area near Goolwa South on Friday afternoon after reports of a light plane crashing into the ocean.
facthunter Posted February 7 Posted February 7 These Planes don't enter spins easily, or want to stay in them. I wonder If we will Know what happened? Spin training hasn't been done Properly since the Mid 60's. Nev 2
djpacro Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, facthunter said: These Planes don't enter spins easily, or want to stay in them. .. Spin training hasn't been done Properly since the Mid 60's. Nev "These Planes" I've never flown a 210 but I have done spins in many types. Some are reluctant to spin for normal practice spins but I usually manage to shock instructor trainees with an entry from a skidded turn with some power on. NASA did extensive spin tests on a 172 - with the CG further aft than its utitility category limit and readily enters a spin, move the CG further back (but within the normal category limits) and it will become unrecoverable. Certainbly agree with Nev on the parlous state of spin training in this country but probably not relevant here - more important is spin prevention. I see some flight schools train for the test and largely ignore the stall situations which won't be tested. From the book, Stall/Spin Awareness, by Rich Stowell: "“In the early 1970s …. a couple of flight instructors reported difficulty in recovering from spins. A representative from the FAA subsequently flew many different 150s with Cessna test pilots. No problems were found with the airplanes. The FAA representative then went into the field to address questions about the 150’s spin characteristics. The representative was met with considerable misunderstanding about spins in general and the Cessna 150 in particular. ….. The instructors responsible for launching this investigation apparently did not know the effect of aileron inputs during spins. Nor did they understand the importance of proper recovery control sequencing. Recognizing this problem, the FAA published an eight-page Flight Instructor Bulletin devoted to spinning. The FAA also sponsored a prototype stall/spin clinic and Cessna published a supplementary pamphlet … “ We are in a similar situation again now. 3
onetrack Posted February 7 Posted February 7 It may have been a medical episode, if the older pilot was flying - and the younger men either had little idea on what to do, or couldn't take control fast enough. But if it was one of the younger men flying, perhaps the crash was a lack of spin training. We will no doubt get all the important details from the ATSB shortly. At least they have good video footage of the crash available to them. It appears there were quite a number of witnesses relatively close by.
facthunter Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Any plane with a tail heavy condition is a death trap. Hands off most Cessna High wings will come out of the stall spin by themselves, but you CAN always Improve on that. The Lack of proper training in this area amounts to Criminal Negligence .Nev 2
facthunter Posted February 7 Posted February 7 I could not make out the position of the controls but to Me it Looked as if there was No positive signs of a recovery or even a Partial one. Perhaps the training record will shed some light on it. Such a Waste of life. Nev 3 1
red750 Posted February 7 Author Posted February 7 From 7 News Adelaide “We are devastated at this time and send our condolences to the other families involved.” Experienced pilot Leo Howard is being remembered as a loved family man after he was killed in a fatal light plane crash at the Murray Mouth. The 53-year-old and two young men, understood to be trainee pilots, were onboard a single-engine Cessna aeroplane when it plunged into the ocean at Goolwa South, killing all three. Investigators are now trying to determine who was flying the plane. 2
BrendAn Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Just watched the video on the news. Is that called a spiral dive or a spin. It was vertical.
facthunter Posted February 7 Posted February 7 The difference is IF the speed increases it's a spiral. Most spins are flatter. Spiralling builds up speed. Let's see the training records. The FIRST thing in spin recovery is SPIN OR SPIRAL? Speed and G increasing ,SPIRAL Ailerons effective. Roll wings level and pull out of dive. Nev 1 1
facthunter Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Maybe looking out the side and not watching the Pitch attitude or a cramp in one of your Legs. In a turn, you only have to give a slight pressure to the Lower rudder Pedal, and you start descending and speed increases. IF you correct with BACK stick, you're stuffed.. Nev 3 1
BrendAn Posted February 7 Posted February 7 My instructor showed me a little but not developed spins or spirals because we are not allowed. Raaus wants to be the new ga but there is no real training to address unusual attitudes. (If this is the correct term). Maybe they should put a couple of hours with a ga aerobatic instructor in the syllabus. And before anyone says it I realise that is a ga plane in the crash . Just thinking out loud about raa training. 1
Jabiru7252 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, BrendAn said: Just watched the video on the news. Is that called a spiral dive or a spin. It was vertical. The difference between a spin and a spiral dive is HUGE. A spin is a stalled condition and spiral will see your ASI go off the scale. I did both in Tomahawks in the early eighties. Hated them both. That plane was spinning, the spin stopped then the plane simply dived into the ocean. Maybe the pilot was showing off and lost it as he had two teenagers on board and some old farts need to show off. 1 1
red750 Posted February 7 Author Posted February 7 That 7News quote above was copied from a link on Facebook. One of the commenters said Leo Howard n had trained him from first flight to advanced aerobatics. 2
Rastus Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Full spin training is still part of the process of learning to fly in a glider. Any gliding club would only be too happy to give you exposure to spins and spirals and how to recognise the difference. How to recover too! Robert 1 2 2
facthunter Posted February 7 Posted February 7 AT LEAST RAA "instructors" should do Unusual Attitude Recovery, NOT Aerobatics and Have advocated THAT for YEARS. Since the available planes ceased to be aerobatic Mid 60's, the emphasis was on avoidance and I 'd suggest THAT Is just dodging the Issue. Progressive Airline Managements have encouraged their Pilots to do extra flying in aerobatic Aircraft to expand their skills base. People continue to Fall out of the sky turning onto final etc Because they lack the awareness and skills they need to survive. RAAus Forbids SPIRAL teaching as it's quite risky in plane not stressed for what loads it May have to tolerate, Nev. 2 1 1
Thruster88 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 The PIC in this accident was a CFI and aerobatic rated pilot. 1 1 3
facthunter Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Well MAYBE he was incapacitated or the seat went back in the runners OR a student Froze on the controls. WE may never Know for sure. I wouldn't consider him OLD at the stated age and he would have passed the required Medicals and Probably not likely to be showing off, with his age and experience. It's ALL very sad.. Nev 1 3 1
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