Tomo

Hey Tomo- may give you a quick call on Thurs earlyto see if the forcast band of weather has passed- just gotta get throgh Ma Ma creek and we're away I reckon.

Let's hope the clouds lift enough for you to get over the hill.

"no more of a stretch than calling a beer can an aeroplane with a rattily old rattleaxe in it..." Said Tomo

... some syrup...

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Ditdo just had to scud run the jab to higher ground 'cause it started to rain.... :ah_oh: and rain, black soil and plane don't mix at all... specially on the nice clean aireoplane:big_grin:

.....realised what the RatCEO just said.

"You have the billy on in your tent?"

"That's very game of you indeed....

G'day Moy, no worries, that is what we're here for. :thumb_up:

You sure can take pictures of the 120 if you wish, I'll show you around it if I'm there at the time too. It isn't my aircraft, but a mates from up here, hiring it off him to come down, but he won't mind I'm sure! :big_grin:

There'll be a few 120's there I think. The one I'm in is 24-5317, and it has my username on the side, so you can't miss it!!! :clown::clown:

Did a few experimental landings this morning in the 120.

Full flap - normal landing configuration.

And a 1st stage flap landing.

Both at 65kts initial approach speed, normal hold off and landing on both, just over stall speed.

Full flap was ideal, flared and it slows down reasonably quick, for a bit more of an abrupt landing, ie, runs out of lift faster.

1st flap was nice for touch down, but she floated and floated and floated..... took forever to slow down, was a nice landing though. But I can imagine a learner having trouble trying not to balloon it - ie pull back a bit much and climb. Not to mention a strong crosswind. I only had about 4kts this morning.

I actually video'd it all, so you can see for yourself. I'm not sure if I can get it edited and uploaded before I leave tomorrow, but I'll try.

Pardon the ignorance, first time to attend a Natfly.... is there an entrance fee to get in?

Camping over night has a small fee though.

Good work mate.

Welcome along also, it is a great place - enjoy :thumb_up:

and when all else fails...use a checklist:contract:

I fly Drifters, etc...

I reckon all pilots need to understand light aircraft, or have just a few hrs in one sometime in their piloting history, it'll make you a better pilot by far - in my opinion.

I'm not sure if you can get a CSU prop for a Rotax? (constant speed unit). I could be wrong though.

I know you can get variable pitch, ground adjustable, and fixed pitch though.

Thanks for that Sseeker, very informative. :thumb_up:

You can actually adjust the flaps so it fly's S/L -- but yeah, that's not your point. Look after your aircraft and fly by the numbers people.

Eh? I spoke to Natalie of Temora (I was referred to her by Ann Pike) about camping arrangements and she says it's $15 /night to camp. Please can this be clarified?Either way, I'll be there.

Tomo,Do you know if the Museum is going to fly any of their aircraft over Easter?

 

A few people have asked me and while I imagine not it would be a buzz.

 

Mark D

I'd check the magnetism of the stator - flywheel. I've had one of them fail on a stationary motor once.

Just had another thought, have you checked the battery power? as in the starter motor current draw, sometimes the starter can pinch all the power from the coil, thus a weak or if any spark. The Rotax 503 does that sometimes, if the battery is a bit low, it won't start even though it's turning over quite fast. You just give the prop a flick or get some more power for the battery, and it will start - basically to spark!

Just a thought.

...maybe it has something to do with it's speed... :thumb_up::thumb_up:

Nice RD, I am looking for a place, but 1.5 million + is outa the budget!

Attendance at Natfly is free and all forums and workshops are free.

There is a $5 dollar per person per night fee for camping.

The Temora Aviation Museum has offered a special deal for NATFlyers. A one-day, multiple entry fee is $10 per person. Get your hand stamped and come and go as you please from 10am to 4pm.

A weekend pass (for multiple entries per person from thursday through sunday) is only $20. You can purchase the weekend pass (which has a bracelet that won't come off until you cut it off) at the Temora Aviation Museum or at the RA-Aus HQ.

Ouch, excellent job of the landing place! :thumb_up:

Reminds me of my friends mate who flew in PNG (they both did), had two engine failures over the period of so many yrs, both times he was able land it on a sand bank of the river (just). Only problem was, they had to dismantle the aircraft and canoe it to a place to reassemble for a take off.

Wouldn't it depend on which way the wind is blowing? If it was going to rotate at all?

Whirly winds and thermals are a huge difference, so no use even comparing them.

Thermals are Hot air rising from the ground as it heats up, by the sun. Hot air rises up until the air equalizes, or becomes the same temperature as the surrounding air, it will stop at that, and often create Cumulous clouds, the hot air rising will push the cold air down, and it will obviously go down the edge of the hot stuff, as per RD's donut description.

That's the stuff we can understand.

Now wonder what happens if the wind is blowing, sometime it blows all the thermals in a line type effect, often referred to by glide/soaring pilots, as "cloud streets".

Rotating thermals, Mmm, Eland obviously can feel something different in the change of direction - if it isn't rotation, I wonder what it could be? There must be some difference, because he wouldn't say it.

Then we should consider if it is actually a normal thermal or turbulence, caused with the surface. As the surface air tumbles over obstacles, the air in the lower levels is in constant vertical motion. Within the surface layer, all of the air is either rising or sinking. The rising air is expanding while the sinking air is compressing. If the turbulent layer becomes deep enough, adiabatic cooling brings the rising air to dew point and cloud forms. As the air begins to sink again, adiabatic warming causes the cloud to evaporate once more. By this process cloud is being continually formed in the rising air and dissipated in the sinking air.

The cloud layer, which is stratocumulus, forms between the condensation level and the top of the turbulent layer. The turbulence is enhanced by convection during the day, so the stratocumulus cloud often dissipates at sunset. This type of cloud can often be seen forming over the land along the coast, while the sky over the sea remains almost cloud free, because of the reduced friction.

Now, if you think about it, that type of lift would be enhanced by going one direction or the other, wouldn't it? Doesn't mean the rising air is rotating like a symmetrical shaft point up, but rather a rolling effect over the top. So flying into the wave (so to speak) would be more efficient, than going with it. If I'm making sense?

Ok, so I've gotten carried away again, but we have to consider a few things. :big_grin:

....interesting". (to say the least) {not that there is anything wrong with that}

Ditdo is feeling quite depressed (compressed? ).... about being left out of the teamy CEO talk.

"Me thinks me make good test pilooot" :thumb_up: Mumbled the Stretch as he straightens out the landing leg...

Thanks for the information JG, sorry to hear about it though, was just explaining the effects of stretching your glide yesterday morning to a guy as well!

Here is a picture of the two aircaft.

Indeed David, myself included.

The aircraft type is from the rego.

Jeepman, the interesting thing about that accident is the aircraft, apparently it's a 10 K T, what are they? Scratch built thing, but does anyone know anymore about the aircraft design?

.....because jabiru wings are soooooooo slippery the clamps just won't hold...

"but then again if you mount it on the flaps, you could have trim"? (And electric!!!) :thumb_up: Ditdo had to contain himself from yelling 'Eureka' through the CWA joint (that means 'establishment' for you uneducated people)

"Well you do have a........