turboplanner

Perhaps someone here with experience could explain the whole history of the LSA saga which seems to have infiltrated RAA without very much information at all?

....since Turbo was now after him. Turbo had used a word which even Parliament had resiled from (probably because they knew it would quickly be on Wikipedia as a description of a Politician), but he had relied on Moderator Lox to delete it, and no one would ever had known, but the evil Lox had left it there knowing it would produce an instant reaction from the Rat, so really ModLox was to blame rather that Turbo who is seriously worried for the protection of Rat's Coal millions (as against the global warming for which the Rat was one of six rich industrialists responsible), and suggests the Rat go and sabotage the Mongolian coal mines which the Chinese are about to put into full production, superseding Rat's bog holes in Australian, and.....

Turboplanner wishes to make the most obsequious, humble apology to the most honorable Rat for leaving out four dots from his post, but wonders why the wanker wouldn't know that a story may continue with a new sentence or new paragraph, provided it doesn't start with a proposition, and.....

Thanks John,

How much better and how much less stress it would have caused if that had been posted on the RAA website

The next question is how long it will take to get these aircraft compliant and the paperwork in order.

The key group at risk here, which flows on to the most members, are the flying schools

Just trying to work out how to upload a .wav file Dazza

Save your breath John, they've stuck like dog sh$t to a blanket so far.

How about you just answer the question CrayonBox?

No, I'm not making any comments.

Yes we mustn't get this out of proportion hey. It is and will be only a temporary setback - and should after all help improve the industry.

You did get this from CASA Crayonbox?

They are the ones who made the decision and will have specified the actions which decide the degree of seriousness in inconvenience/bankruptcies.

Your barrister will cost about $7000.00 per day to do that.

"If fishing vessels around the north are required to carry lifeBOATS, that should put a risk assessment into perspective."

" then there was the poor bugger in a life jacket and thermal suit. An RPT circled him for several hours while people worked out the range and lift of a helicopter and found he was beyond reach. No boats/ships close enough and he was never seen again"

Just in case you missed these two pertinent points Volksy. Sure, if your engine doesn't stop you make it.

BTW life jackets are all that's necessary in fishing boats around most of the mainland coast

This thread is not going in a very smart direction - see earlier warning - you could find yourself with a summons to attend

We have covered this in a lot of detail on past threads. One of the weaknesses of a Forum Site is its particiants, and if someone puts up a thread heading "Another one down....." then how will we know to search for 500 accurate words on accident investigation.

The State and Territory Police investigate all RA accidents (unless on the rare occasion ATSB decides to step in)

RAA officials may be asked for specialist advice, but it's a Police investigation.

The Police do not have the exemptions which ATSB has, so they can't take the risk airing the results of their investigation.

So we do not get reports.

Sometimes we can get a Coroners report if someone wades through the user unfriendly system, but that is really deciding a cause of death, rather than the cause of the accident which we, and litigators might be interested in.

So there's no point griping at RAA officials - they have no more control than you do if there's an accident on your property.

Sapphire, in fact I find the opposite. The ab initio expects prompting and critique and you to" be there just in case". The more experienced pilot wants to "show you" that they know what they are doing. This narrows the space for the instructor to take an active involvement and also the space to take over when necessary. I run a different brief for both types and assess closely as we go through the exercise.

Unfortunately Trish, I think we're crossing into an era change where the custom of the press waiting for relatives to be notified is being beaten by the electronic media - for example someone at the scene captures details on an IPhone and emails them to media outlets.

I noticed a few days ago one of the major TV channels using much the same statement as the Northern Star.

If they don't publish they get beaten to the story by the ones who do.

A very unethical progression in my opinion, but Australia can't control the electronic media.

Hopefully there's be an ATSB inspection of the components. I'm leaning your way David - smooth conditions, 1000', and two of them that might have said "this turn is getting too steep!", if in fact they had inputted a turn. The paddocks off downwind towards base leg might tell a story.

I have no gliding experience, but it may pay to talk to someone from a gliding club. Maybe the salt has relective properties which sets up an updraft?

I made a phone call today and got told that RaAus has had a computer problem and are not able to process any reg applications until its sorted out. I think they hope to get it up and running by Monday.

 

 

 

Hmmmmm it was another member of this site that I made the phone call to. Chances are it was just speculation. Seems on this forum you can't let a bit of BS get in the way of a good story LOL

Or Herm, you could actually press a button or two and get the official story from the RAA website rather than just stir.

Well we can always learn something from speculating.

No Mayday reported.

Could have been a control failure

Motz,

#7, Local instructor "Mr Todhunter said he believed the crash may have occurred while the pilot was turning during the base leg, which is the final leg in a rectangular flying pattern before landing."

Another witness dropped steeply

Another witness - wings were vertical - like a wingover

The aircraft had joined and had done a couple of crcuits

And I think the conditions may have been gusty.

We don't Motz, just talking generally

They'll be asleep when I get there.

I know the exact valley you hide in, and the names of your kookaburras

No you're not, I'm pulling out the Evinrude wave splitter now......

Well there was the Bristol Freighter - straight to the bottom without a trace (and that had two engines, then there was the poor bugger in a life jacket and thermal suit. An RPT circled him for several hours while people worked out the range and lift of a helicopter and found he was beyond reach. No boats/ships close enough and he was never seen again, and those are the ones I remember. Thrilling as it is to fly over water, you can't land on it, andyou can't rely on anyone getting to you. Jetstar and local hire is cheaper and more reliable.