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In that case we know they can change the site when they want to.

Give me your hand OK and I'll show you with the kettle.

Neville will be with us for some time to assist us and I thank him for agreeing to take on this task.I would like to thank the staff, Neville and Paul Middleton, the RA-Aus Secretary, for the tremendous effort so far in resolving this situation and I know that they will continue working late each day until this issue is completely resolved.

Well done, facthunter!

"wanting to belong adopted here as well"

Who wanted to adopt? Five sellers and six buyers? ten thousand members?

So there would have been a financial analysis based on Australia's very low volume in a complicated market with many suppliers ( a simple spreadsheet)?

And then there would have been a formal decision, minuted and put to all members for approval to:

(a) Absorb the extra cost of administration if it is small, and support the introduction into RAA? or:

(b) Employ additional staff, increase RAA membership subscriptions from around $160.00 pa at the time to say $450.00 pa, and support introduction? or:

© Reject introduction on the grounds of cost and let LSA interests finance their own body similar to SAAA?

Since LSA happened, there will be minuted copies of the initial research, decisions proposed to the Members, results of Member votes, meetings of formal adoption?

Those records are there aren't they?

Surely a collection of individuals haven't left themselves open to paying to fix the present CASA issues personally?

And David, with the first order of business to bring the CASA Audit shortfalls into compliance, and within that to make a decision about LSA.

I raised a question about this a few days ago, but no one has said either "What?", or "you don't know what you're talking about"

I'd really be interested to get some feedback on where LSA fits in or whether this was just slipped in behind members backs by a greedy few, and who was involved in it, and whether that includes any CASA people, etc.

Kev this is only a personal opinion but the information you received from the person members voted in the represent you, namely "the audit failure was in regard to registrations" may not qualify as useable information.

......he was interrupted at his tea bagging by a plaintive cry.

"Not the Tsara!" cried the Rat in mock sympathy, surely the Tsara isn't up for renewal this week!"

"Yes" said hadeoughoftheKrapLox, munching on his Krispy Kreme donut

"But how are they going to find papers for a heap of crop built by a bunch of gypsies" said Turbo helpfully

And it finally dawned on Ionlywanttoflylox that perhaps he should have been paying more attention to the instrument which gave him the freedom to fly

"I didn't vote" he said "because I didn't want to offend anyone"

"In that case, it's your turn to be President" said the Rat "make sure when anyone asks a question that you demand to see their membership card, birth certificate, and Officers mess card, particularly if that......"

Well Australia is certainly capable of doing its part in training airline pilots.

A friend of mine went on a charter from Essendon through the Flinders Ranges, and the pilot, aged 26 said, he had flown more hours than most commercial pilots in their life.

When my friend asked how that could be possible, he said he had spent 4 years training Chinese Pilots at their dedicated airport in Merriden, 250 Km east of Perth which operates three shifts a day 24/7..

They apparently train four times the number of commercial pilots at their two privately owned Chinese airports in Western Australia than the rest of Australian commercial pilots.

As far as I recall and have read, these two rumours have not appeared on this site, although I suppose inevitably if registrations are progressively not renewed, the aircraft involved are effectively grounded, and if CASA's concerns weren't fixed within the whole 12 months then all aircraft would be unregistered, however those aren't the rumours we have been reading about here.

Significantly in Mr Runciman's message, he has failed to meet his commitment to confirm the outcome of this morning's meeting with CASA which seriously affects many members.

That was based on information on the RAA website and was not a rumour or rumours.

So tonight's statement in my opinion just escalates the serious concern, and delays accurate explanation of what CASA have notified RAA of, and how RAA have responded.

With the website down on such an important day there are other routes to advise members, the first being a broadcast email to all board members who could reach their groups including this one, the second a broadcast SMS.

To All RAAus Members,This afternoon I sent an open letter signed by my full name to the CEO of RAAus Steve Tizzard, requesting that he seriously consider voluntarily resigning forthwith from RAAus due to the incompetence & negligence that the organisation has subjected its members to in the failing of several CASA audits in recent times , which has brought severe financial & emotional issues to many members who have wanted to say their piece on this subject but would be afraid to for fear of recriminations.

 

I have told Steve that this genuine open letter is from the heart & in good faith , & furthermore I have nothing to fear because my days on this planet are numbered & I have also seen the good times in the 40 years I have been flying.

 

I told Steve that I at least want to see RAAus get out of the S&it that they are in & go from strength to strength rather that go from bad to worse.

Thanks NP, I find it terribly sad, given the string of fatalites we are experiencing that any person would delete valuable learning experience from the worst case scenario, an accident, yet replace it with inane travel stories and versions of how to fly a circuit which I would imagine to instructors would be like scratching chalk across a blackboard.

What was great about the system at the time of the Air Safety Digest were:

1. If you reported the incident first you were necver penalised

2. If you wrote your story of whatever silly mistake, you were thanked publicly by the Department and many pilots trying to be more professional.

Goldentooth beat me on the trigger: To Dodo -

Para 1 Remove the ego position (CEO), instructions to staff to come through one person, the President, and you have it

That would then free up existing money for a highly skilled officer where needed

Para 2 In the ISO 9000/9200 experiment in Australia (which seems to have fallen by the wayside after $millions was spent on it), I acted as an temporary auditor. We had a clear task description, so we couldn't just invent our own agenda, and after the second or third audit (assisted by us all being told we would be fired if we screwed up), the books and procedures were always about 95% in order.

So you could have this type of system using volunteer skilled Members, with their travelling/accom/meals covered by RAA, and you could run it down the lines - Financial, Technical, Operations. This is not a blame system, both auditors and Officers know what's going to be checked, so nothing for the Officers to fear, and if an Officer was working 60 hours a week, efficiently, and still not able to complete workloads, the compliance report allows for assistance to be brought in.

Para 5 There is clearly no intention to be informative, I'll leave that to others.

Para 6 When the para 5 lightbulb goes off, some who are current employees of large companies in the workforce may recollect that by far the best way to motivate people is to tell them the truth about everything when it happens; I've seen some amazing team efforts following the worst kind of news, which produced stunning results.

Para 7 If the members representatives and the Officers were doing their best and achieving a professional result, we'd just throttle members who complained?

dodo, this is an Incorporated Association and therefore does not have a board of directors with the luxury of just direction and oversight.

It has a board of management, and THEY are the executives.

This is a self administering body and ALL of the members are supposed to be participating in that process in a voluntary capacity whether directly, or through their elected representatives.

Have a good look at the Constitution and you will see that people through the years have aggrandised themselves and totally confused most of the membership.

• information to the membership is already spelled out - it is the responsibility of the members representatives (confusingly called board members), or more realistically in the online age, the President.
   
   
  
• separation of administration and oversight/direction/policy - there is a group of employees, and there is a separate group of members representatives to provide this.There is no position for the inflated title of CEO until such time perhaps as RAA had a Head Office and Branch Officers where this person would co-ordinate a series of Managers - this of course would be possible, and I notice is even hinted at and suggested in some quarters, but the only objections may come from members objecting to a licence renewal cost closer to $1,000.00 per year than $200.00 per year, so that path is really just one of being realistic.
   
   
  
• Some form of external review/audit - well there is the CASA external review which clearly has been very effective in finding faults. It would be simpler to employ volunteers to fill gaps quickly if defects were simply procedural or time related, or temporary skilled consultants where new processes were required.
   
   
  

I wonder though if the first step should be to get accurate information on what has actually happened:

What did each Audit report find?

What was the required corrective action each time?

Why wasn't that carried out each time?

It may be that something unreasonable was loaded on to RAA which you, the members would not have agreed to.

For example in the last day or so, I asked what the history of LSA was all about, and although a considerable number of members would by now have read the question, no one seems to know, and that raises the question on whether, if you knew that this would add substantially to RAA cost/workload and be a factor in the present situation, whether you would have told CASA to forget the category, or some other action such as charging the cost of any increased staff/skills to the category on a user pays concept.

....into rat mode so I can suck up to the RealRat and listen to his stories about maps to lost coal mines, and maps to hidden board members, and the map to his nemesis, Goldenbars, who....

So many people do Win, particularly on here, but I think giving the victim the chance at a partially normal life is humane.

...I have to dip a toe in the water, and walk in up to my teeth, and............

keeping up the supply of suntan oil.....

"......Lat and a half, and skinned as well - no fur balls to slow down swarrowing" (sorry, forgot Rat's octogenarians weren't Chinese).

"he's full of fur balls" replied Nanna, "you could nearly knit.............."

So the result of all this is that we, the pilots, are denied the valuable lessons that might save lives, because RAAus board is afraid of litigation which might eventuate if the facts surrounding an accident were more readily accessible?

(b) The RAA board isn't the problem - the Police don't release results.

Just to clarify - I guess you meant all fatal accidents ?Cheers

 

John

....mine after previously passing himself off as Ming Lat and obtaining Chinese citizenship, and carting a load of US dollars over the border in his Jab without the engine missing a beat, when.....

You could be the first in that case Volksy - we are not anonymous in legal circles - easily traced

Regardless of that John, the Association has to be managed to the existing regulations. When you fail the first CASA audit you take action to correct the mistakes, and there are 13,000 active members to draw on who run the Association.

Best to just let this bite and bite hard. Let a few flying schools go bankrupt.

Let the people who just can't help posting bullshit to put a spoke in the wheel of those who care take a few months holiday from flying.

Let some of the owners leave their aircraft in the hangars.

Six months or so might wake them up.