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You're right FH, he hasn't read the mood of the members and now he's heading for an ignominious removal

To me it is patently clear.1. He did not offer his resignation, he resigned as North Qld Rep and National President.

 

2. He has not been re-instated as North Qld Rep so holds no office within RAA.

 

3. The RAA board can not vote him in or appoint him as President if he holds no office within RAA.

 

Therefore RAA currently does not have a President that has been legally voted or appointed to that role.

 

End of Story.

Dazz, this does not reflect well on the Officer standard we have in the ADF

It has to happen OK, even if it means dragging the last of FT's mates out of the 20th century.

Phil, try putting a post on this thread, because it attracted a lot of the long termers from Moorabbin http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-aviation-questions/308183-ymmb.html

Also, look up Tyabb, because there would have been some migration from Berwick.

Yes there is and you must set the organization to prevent that. In fact that's what the problem is now, so you need Constitutional changes to bulletproof the organization against any clique, but you have to be careful you don't wipe out groups of good hard working people (as in limited tenure where your good people are forced to stand on the sidelines grinding their teeth when tings go south).

I would expect this meeting to be a reflection of the nine threads on this form - many ideas coming from many directions, with emotions running sky high.

Two things are critical:

• The facts on why RAA failed the CASA audits, and how to get corrections done and members flying
   
   
  
• The abject failure of board members to communicate with the members who own the Association and elected them
   
   
  

The rest can follow

I agree that the push from members who are participating on this forum should be to get as many signatures and people along as possible, but I'm totally mystified by your comment "the only way to stop small groups from hijacking our meetings and doing things the majority don't want"

The problem is not groups hijacking meetings but a small Executive clique making all the decisions behind closed doors, even to the extent that Runciman's letter of resignation included an appalling attack on moderate board member John McKeown who is trying to communicate with members, and an exhortation that the board should stick together, presumably against the members - that's where your focus should be.

To DGL Fox

Some of the members have already discussed electronic two way meeting communications. If a voting module is added to this than what you are asking, which is probably what 12,000 others are asking would be available, and meetings would be far more transparent and democratic.

It also means that board meetings can be monthly and board members don't have to travel

It also removes the abuse of Executive powers since the members are going to be able to make decisions which suit the majority rather than the secret decisions which have got up people's noses.

So if that's what you want you have to work on it, you have to promote it, you have to get the members fired up about it.

It should have been in by the mid 1990's.

Re the two posts above: It may not be practical to incorporate this into the next General Meeting, but it is unlikely that this meeting will solve all issues anyway, so it would be worthwhile going to the meeting with a workable proposal which allows regular General meetings if required and electronic board meetings once a month and allows thousands of people to vote. You have to start somewhere.

I've actually done core drilling there for pottery clay in the days when the area was paddocks

I think what Dodo is agreeing with you turbs. You are getting a bit grizzly and argumentative.

The answer was the members make the decisions, and that requires open and transparent two way communication.

You put your finger one one of the two most urgent things needing correction - communication and getting the audits correct.

Guernsey, I know where you live - or at least I know you live on the wrong side of Adelaide.

Does anyone remember the whole "Secrecy clause" Scandal? The BS that occurred then still has my mind boggling... Or was that all my imagination and rumour as my Board Member and now President assured my personally.

Members should consider what has come to light over the past couple of months versus what they'd been told to judge whether or not secrecy still prevails.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda

It would be worth your while obtaining the Annual Reports from Department of Justice, and taking a look at the blowout in unclassified expenditure.

If you've got financial skills it should put a different perspective on your thoughts.

Just reading the CASA ad, if CASA are responsible for overseeing technical safety of the several quasi-independent bodies then they are going to need one, or maybe even several suitably qualified technical people, so I don't see any connect with RAA's audit issues other than perhaps stepping up Technical scrutiny several notches, so I don't see any real connect, although it does confuse me that CASA would prefer an instructor in preference to someone with multi-technical skills.

This is not a Board of Directors dodo.

The last time I looked there were hundreds of thousands of dollars in unclassified expenditure each year.

Thank goodness our Olympic Ice Hockey team didn't have the same thought process as your member who was thinking of putting himself forward.

If he had, he would have gained considerable respect for a start, but right now may have tipped the scales to a much more microscopic look at the events and legalities of the last few days.

Your Council issue is not uncommon today and unfortunately was started by Jeffrey Kennett who was frustrated at Local Government pettiness, waste and incompetence which was frustrating council Officers, and introduced the CEO position with powers to overrule elected Councillors who can only do something about it by not renewing his contract. You still see the pantomime in the Chamber, but many decisions are made in meetings outside the chamber.

The end result has been a disconnect between ratepayers and decision makers (which used to be their local members) when there was full debate of items and open decisions made in Council. Fortunately not all Councils have ego-driven CEO's, and when you sit in these Council meetings it's like a breath of fresh air.

You gave a good parallel example Sue.

The March issue had a paragraph referring to a two day assurance workshop held last February to look at board oversight etc. Not an audit, by any means, but clearly a chance for the baord to look over themselves and look in the mirror a bit. I have no idea what the outcome was.dodo

(a) Were made aware of this

(b) Were given the opportunity to attend and participate

© Approved the two day expenditure without (if (a) and (b) answers are "No") being made aware of it.

Companies are notorious for not administering these job specifications, and some employees are notorious for creatively "adjusting" the intent of the specification to suit their preferred lifestyle. For example managers who "need" to buy boats to "entertain" clients, the scotch cabinet in the boardroom, overseas "study" trips, "secretaries" (sorry, "PA's"), football memberships to "network" with clients and so on. In most cases the real clients have never heard of them, and the business sags under the financial weight.

The supervision is always required, and the best supervisors are usually the owners.

It could be an issue Gibbo because they are not tested by competition, but that's not their fault, it's the fault of complacent members who couldn't care less and don't bother to carry out their obligation to self administer their association, and I'd be surprised if a few of those hadn't been on here complaining now that their wasted votes have backfired on them.

Posted on the RAAus web site today:I have received a number of emails expressing concern about the resignation of Mr Steve Runciman as President of RA-Aus. Some members make reference to a precedent that was set in 2008 when former President resigned and was not permitted to withdraw his resignation, however, on 3rd May 2012, another Board Member notified the Board of his resignation. Shortly after, he changed his mind and was permitted by the Board to stay on as a Board Member.

 

I am satisfied that due process has been followed in this matter and as a result Mr Runciman remains the President of RA-Aus.

 

P.Middleton (Middo)

 

Secretary

 

RA-Aus

having just flown the Jab today, I wonder why its engine can't be made a quiet as a petrol engine in a car. Take a Mazda 3 or Corolla: similar size engine, but almost silent. There's room under the jab engine for a bigger muffler. Would it add that much weight? Some motorcycles have carbon fibre mufflers.A lot of the local opposition to airfields, such as at Aldinga, would vanish if the planes were quiet.

 

Any thoughts, anyone?

He's from Canberra Geoff.

FT, given that no details of the Audits have been given to members, and I have not received a response from John McCormick for CASA documents after allowing approximately two weeks, I have just put in a Freedom of Information request to CASA for all documents relating to the four failed Audits.

Holty, congratulations for having the guts to get up off the floor and start again. I wish you every success.

The beauty of a forum as against the more recent social media, is that you CAN sit back and just read people's written thoughts as and when you have the time.

You can also follow streams of threads which match your interests.