turboplanner

Your dammed i you do and dammed if you dont. labelled a Jab Basher if you dare speak out about them, called names if you stick up for them.I dont think we are going about any of this the right way.

Its obvious that jab engines are still having issues. You dont have to own one to know that. I cant see how slaying them relentlessly will help make them safer though. I know Ive been guilty in the past of expressing ' diss satisfaction" with the engines, but I have good reason for that. And I dont agree that the aeroplane is some how providing the RAA with all its freedoms as someone stated. I think the same thinking applied logically would find that its in fact the opposite. It is the thorn in the side of the RAA at the moment, the standard of this engine brings us ALL into a bad light and worst case could see us LOSE freedoms (IMHO).

 

However, like ive said before, education and reporting is the key to fixing this problem. The more data we have (and jab and the raa and casa have) the better informed everyone can be. That includes JAB!!

It's the problem that poses the biggest threat to this aircraft, not people talking about it.

You're a Rot Guts basher you MORON Ratesh$t, people around here use it and I've never seen them crook (come to think of it I've haven't seen any of them recently, so maybe they advertised it on Ebay and moved to the Gold Coats. It's solid GOLD. The Lower Leg Lubricant is excellent for getting rid of mosquitos at the beach, but make sure you clean the sand off yourself first.

Rot Guts Lower Leg Lubricants also stops those jab noseovers when you land with your eyes pointing east and the nosewheel pointing left.

"I thought................"

".....deaden the sprag clutch clang, and reduce vibration which stops exhausts breaking off after every second flight. I also supply bottles of possum P#ss, labelled "Rot Guts", which is a humorous way to hint that adding it will give Rotary Axes more guts."

"I've been using "Rot Guts in my outboards for years" he added.

"Not............"

"..........I have the least amount of hair, and it's quicker to comb that way."

"You've got a COMB?" said Ratsak who was again suffering for a nasty bout of mange.

"What's going to happen next?" asked Salty who wasn't at all interested in hairstyles "will Hatshat the Leak try another oracle?"

There was a rattle at the clubroom door, and they caught a glimpse of an epaulette.......

I have been told of an instance where the passenger of an ra aircraft which flew an uneventfull forced landing decided after the event that they would sue for Psychological trauma. I wonder if thier decision to sue was prompted by one of those no win no pay parasite compensation lawyers?

Anyone can sue anyone; they don't automatically win, and this person would have to prove damage. Many of the no win no pay contracts only apply to the lawyers fees. If you tried this one, you'd probably lose and face $50,000.00 in costs.

We have a Turboplanner on here as you know, but he has never mentioned anything about his encabulator.I guess he wants to keep it to himself, along with his transoidal thrupple pulleys.

I only use it on Saturday nights, but it's too much of an advantage to risk broadcasting it here.

I've sold the pulleys.

All arguments raised thus far are based on anecdotal evidence, very similar to what has been raised in previous threads. We have a gut feeling something may be wrong but its not conclusive. Without knowing the failure modes, the inputs of the pilot and the maintainer its all pure speculation. The argument should be about how we plan to gather the data, the parameters of the data and its interpretation. Until then its all 6 schooners at the bar talk.

Rubbish! I've quoted actual reported RAA statistics for a start. You need to bring yourself up to date with RAA procedures before attempting to reinvent the wheel.

CASA and RAA won't be able to walk away from this one Motz, there is too much evidence out in the open. DIT have a recall system in place for much less hazardous issues in motor vehicles, so CASA personnel will be held accountable should a fatality occur.

RAA publish the forced landing figures, so they shouldn't be picking on you Motz, their urgent priority, some years ago was to address this.

Not having a Safety Management System underlines how this sort of thing doesn't get addressed.

And that's all the thought is worth.

There are hard figures available in the monthly magazine, have been for years; I've posted some of there on this forum.

They show a very significant trend in numbers.

The total numbers tell enough of the story for people to take action.

Your request to extend this to incidents per flying hour may or may not change the type of action, but I suspect there's a cost reason there because it would almost certainly require a full time investigator tracking down the true stories in each case.

However, since the ATSB has identified the bleeding obvious, and now has an investigation underway into the reliability of Light Sport engines, we may get some better information soon.

Oscar, you brought up the aeroclubs and qualified what they did . I do not concur with the" fine community structure" as being typical, but more to the point.... The RAAus is not an aeroclub, but it has to represent OUR interests, as nothing else does and it is inferred in our structure with elected reps on the board of management but it has been assigned the role of "Authority" as well. Some years ago I brought this matter to the attention of this forum highlighting the difficulty of serving two masters. Somewhat prophetic, if I may say so in retrospect. I would suggest it is difficult to achieve if not impossible. Certainly needs more skill and attention than first applied. The problem really remains unresolved. The relationship between us and the CASA must be clarified. IF we do things for them we must be indemnified .Nev

FH there are literally thousands of Associations which have been established since the 1980's for Self Administration, thereby offloading legal liability from State and Federal Governments; that was the sneaky intent of the politicians who saw they would be easy, and wealthy, targets after a double fatality at a Government kindergarten in South Australia.

Where it gets more complicated is where Department of Infrastructure and Transport has been silly enough to put its fingers back in the pie, in road transport in conjunction with the State road authorities, and aviation, through CASA.

In the case of CASA it has created interference in the self regulation of the various bodies, and re-inherited public liability as we saw in a recent case where CASA was a co-defendant.

If RAA is operating correctly, it will not be serving two masters within the Incorporated Association format; the problem is so many people just do not understand how powerful an Incorporated Association can be. The relationship between CASA and RAA is also clear; you are thinking of the prescriptive era of the past where I agree things would have been confusing, but CASA would not have needed an RAA then.

Oscar, a few people on this forum have repeatedly suggested RAA was operating as a club or like a club; that's not true and is just to bolster their ownambitions to try to change it into another type of body, without having the experience to understand the ramifications.

Nor is RAA a "Peak Body" beloved by some government Ministers in the past as a way to "get to" groups and industries. Self regulation has eliminated that need.

Not is RAA a collection of clubs; you only have to look at the Constitution as you say.

Nor is club "accreditation" necessary these days, so for example there's no need for a club to "belong" to RAA, or mirror the RAA constitution.

There certainly is a place for flying clubs, for example, a group of people banding together to buy land, build an airstrip, build and rent hangars, do its own fundraising, conduct its own events etc.

Some people believe you can get by without reading an Insurance Policy; others wouldn't know what they are reading, yet will not spend $200.00 to have a professional read it, discuss it, and draft an itemised request for cover, others equate the amount they pay in premium to the cover they expect they will get, again without reading the clauses to make sure it's not just an over-priced policy, others simply break regulations every day and think insurance companies are stupid, but the vast majority of people are careful enough to check out what they will not have the financial ability to replace, get competitive quotes, and then make sure that cover is included in the policy. Not all that hard.

David, them there's fighting words ( I'm not saying I disagree ), did you have a rough day today ! I recall a well delivered spit I let go a few weeks back, stand by for the lovers to try and rip you a new one and the haters to jump on your band wagon.

Patrick, you should know better than to minimise people like that. There certainly are a few people living in denial, but there are others with sound technical knowledge who have made reasoned posts on this forum and they don't deserve to be branded.

From your professional position, I would have thought that Motz's point on #31 would have sounded a clearer warning; the factual number of forced landings are huge, and the statistics are pointing to an inevitable bad experience.

I've seen two lots of comments about how strong the fuselage is recently, but both lots of photos show an unmarked fuselage indicating the strength wasn't tested. Weight for weight FRP is stronger than aluminium, but it doesn't have any magical properties.

I see FT, he forgot to check the prop before he took off.

It appears he was. Based on the link above he just has to find the $500.00 excess.

pilot error, what else?

Insurance is a massive con and a real mugs game its all about giving money to pay for other peoples mistakes and keep people who do nothing employed.

No doubt you've got a spare $6m or $7m available from your assets, and readily available, in which case you certainly wouldn't be one of the mugs who have to insure to make sure there's a house over the heads of their family.

............climb to the top of the righteous only to keep sliding down on the slippery slope of the leftists.

"What we need is governance" said Peter Doubt, and received four looks so sharp that he immediately lapsed into silence, although he furtively looked at his note to remind himself of the words in case he had to say it again.

"What's up there?" asked Hatshat, who'd never been allowed to the top of the heap, and had been turfed off on to the slippery slope whenever he was getting close.

"Wonderful things" said Ratty with a wink at Alpha Laval. "Wonderful things" said Laval who wasn't slow at picking up a trend "Er, what are they" he whispered to Ratso, but the Rat was frowning, and gave Alpha a quick kick over the side.

"When will they........."

Which the dogs, knowing what a cunning dog he is threw it right back!

Would you settle for having your planes flying again? Once the RAA can get back to meeting its basic obligations again no one will care who is on the board.

You've told Major this in post #14, yet in #15 you're trying to get his focus OFF the basic obligations and on to some bizarre treasure hunt for detailed voting statistics from 2008 onwards? And he's not your representative, speaking about which the people who represent you have been remarkably silent for some time - maybe you should look them up?

If you want to convert a scale drawing, even a pdf to CAD (raster system), I've bought the system from pdf2cad.com and it is very simple.

He must be watching TV

candidates

Well that's a different story, and makes a lot more sense.

If it's a substantial claim this could go on for years.

What caused the engine to stop?

RAA is certainly being strangled by apathy, and the old "Club" type format of GA has probably died; the clubrooms and the dining room are no longer places to take someone for a business meeting, but our demographics have dramatically changed, and many of us have global friends now, where our parents just circulated among the local district.

We've all got above just mixing with the locals who participate in the same sport we do. Many of the current generation will be distraught at that, and I think that's where a lot of these "end of the world" comments are coming from.

Aviation might be killing itself in Toowoomba FT, but it's alive and well in other places.

Yes we are living in a different era. Another factor is airline fares, which make a guaranteed arrival time and hire car immediately available at the destination a better proposition than an afternoon of flight planning and fuelling across three States to wait on a cold airfield for a taxi.

In 1970 we were also probably punching in five cents per telephone call and we only called people when necessary vs the monthly online/phone bill we live with today, and we only had to pay for a basic car - no sound system, no air conditioning, no $15,000 worth of safety systems, so while the flying cost is about the same, the disposable income is going on things like I'm doing right now.

However, there has been some reshaping of the GA market as others have said, and in most areas it's still buzzing along. At the town where I grew up we had grass strips, and one tin shed. Now several aircraft are hangared there. In the mining areas of course where there's more disposable income, GA activity is much more than it has been in the past.

Quite often in a country town there is a "personality" who drives the locals to greater activity than they would get involved in on their own, and there is a cycle as these people get old and retire and no one else wants to carry on, whether it be the airfield, shooting range or even swimming pool, and that often is a reason for decline.